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2 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

What happens when you don't pause at the top? It'll be interesting to see what Monte says. 🙂

 

Back to my bad tendencies - club gets in way too fast, arms go up more and swing gets too long, club crosses more at the top and I get too far from the inside. 

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14 minutes ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

 

Back to my bad tendencies - club gets in way too fast, arms go up more and swing gets too long, club crosses more at the top and I get too far from the inside. 

What happens if you swing at 50% speed? Also what happens if you do a few reps of the drill where you set cast A and swing down from there and then try a slow swing? 

 

Just thinking of ways to help you break that pattern. 

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2 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

What happens if you swing at 50% speed? Also what happens if you do a few reps of the drill where you set cast A and swing down from there and then try a slow swing? 

 

Just thinking of ways to help you break that pattern. 

 

That drill will be the next one I focus on I think, I can usually get it in a good spot pausing even if I skip that no-turn checkpoint. I find I have to keep it slower at the start to keep the club from going in, but anything with less speed and it tends to look a lot better. I think it's a reaction to how my weight moves to start the swing, but I am curious to see what Monte says as well.

 

An old coach told me to just pause at the top until I got it but I'm impatient.

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That drill will be the next one I focus on I think, I can usually get it in a good spot pausing even if I skip that no-turn checkpoint. I find I have to keep it slower at the start to keep the club from going in, but anything with less speed and it tends to look a lot better. I think it's a reaction to how my weight moves to start the swing, but I am curious to see what Monte says as well.

 

An old coach told me to just pause at the top until I got it but I'm impatient.

I think it'll help you to work on it with slower swings and slo-mo reps - especially as you have such a fast action with lots of speed. The good news, as I see it, is that you're clearly a very skilled golfer and this is going to take you to the next level. Monte will probably want you to do that anyway - patience is kinda his thing. 

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23 hours ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

Finally able to get back out and work some, seeing some positive signs, biggest issue seems to be getting the club to stop crossing the line so much as it falls, I guess that's going to take continued work with the cast A portion. But I think I'm on the right track.

 

 

Edit: Lesson with Monte this weekend to dive into it more. 

Obviously, you're a very skilled golfer (way more so than me that's for sure).

 

Just and observation/question from watching since I've spent so much time efficient swing and no turn cast over the last several months.

 

Was your intention here to stop at left arm parallel, push to 8:00 and start the downswing? Only asking because that push to 8 looked more like a push that just over extended your arm swing and cupped your left wrist more. It seemed like the momentum of that is what caused you to cross the line and it wasn't totally related to your transition move.

 

Looking forward to see what Monte's got for you. I'm jealous of a lot of your swing.

 

And this reminds me that I need to video my swing at the simulator this weekend so I can get some online lessons with him.

 

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@TLUBulldogGolf  Again, I harken back to the overhead view of Monte's swing that acts as a segue between clips of NTC.  To my eye, Monte's maximum arm position to the top is more 7:30 than 8:00.  Maybe as a scratch plus, all you need is 7:30?

 

At the same time, what would happen if you maintained your current rotation and thought to cast toward 7:00 or 7:30 rather than 8:00?

 

I'd hate to think as a hack, I screwed up someone's scratch swing.  But, maybe experiment a little with either of the above?  Both?

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3 minutes ago, games said:

@TLUBulldogGolf  Again, I harken back to the overhead view of Monte's swing that acts as a segue between clips of NTC.  To my eye, Monte's maximum arm position to the top is more 7:30 than 8:00.  Maybe as a scratch plus, all you need is 7:30?

 

At the same time, what would happen if you maintained your current rotation and thought to cast toward 7:00 or 7:30 rather than 8:00?

 

I'd hate to think as a hack, I screwed up someone's scratch swing.  But, maybe experiment a little with either of the above?  Both?

This is interesting because I cast to 7-7:30. If I go to 8 I feel something clicking out of joint in my left hand from an old injury. 

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His issue is lack of depth - causes him to drop his arms behind him in transition to shallow and gets path a bit too much in to out.

If he cast without dropping arms his pivot would take him pretty much out to in with release issues.

 

Sure Monte will fix him up.

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22 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

If I go to 8 I feel something clicking out of joint in my left hand from an old injury.

 

Oh yeah.  I'm familiar with that left wrist clicking from my days as a competitive left-handed bowler.  Oddly, mine does it with radial deviation, but not extension, flexion, or ulnar deviation.

 

As lifelong OTT (now liberated) I do think of trying to direct Cast A relative to my arm direction.  If I feel my arm is pointing at 7:00, I cast to 7:30.  If my arm is 7:30, I cast to 8:00.  Just building up the myelin on this thing.  I think this produces similar motion to what Monte refers to as the "arm loop" in one of his prior videos (either Efficient Swing or Drive for Dough).

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7 minutes ago, games said:

 

Oh yeah.  I'm familiar with that left wrist clicking from my days as a competitive left-handed bowler.  Oddly, mine does it with radial deviation, but not extension, flexion, or ulnar deviation.

 

As lifelong OTT (now liberated) I do think of trying to direct Cast A relative to my arm direction.  If I feel my arm is pointing at 7:00, I cast to 7:30.  If my arm is 7:30, I cast to 8:00.  Just building up the myelin on this thing.  I think this produces similar motion to what Monte refers to as the "arm loop" in one of his prior videos (either Efficient Swing or Drive for Dough).

Also a left arm bowler (RH bat) but I didn't play enough cricket to blame that on my injury. That was a drunken fight with a lamppost 25 years ago! 

 

 

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After a few weeks working on this move, couple questions/observations. With the NT backswing, it really feels like my right hip is more restricted on the backs wing. Is this the right feel? I have always been a one piece guy and wow does this feel different, I feel separated, but feel isn't real. The thing is, the more I concentrate on the "no turn" part, the better I hit it. 

 

Anyone else struggle with the driver? My irons are flying incredible, but the driver is a struggle. Tips that have worked for you?

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, ColoradoMike said:

After a few weeks working on this move, couple questions/observations. With the NT backswing, it really feels like my right hip is more restricted on the backs wing. Is this the right feel? I have always been a one piece guy and wow does this feel different, I feel separated, but feel isn't real. The thing is, the more I concentrate on the "no turn" part, the better I hit it. 

 

Anyone else struggle with the driver? My irons are flying incredible, but the driver is a struggle. Tips that have worked for you?

 

 

 

This almost verbatim from Monte: Don't overdo the no turn part. That's really for people who overswing. You do not want to restrict the hip turn at all.

 

And...

 

A few weeks is nothing. Driver is often the last thing to accept the change. 

 

Maybe post a video?

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4 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

This almost verbatim from Monte: Don't overdo the no turn part. That's really for people who overswing. You do not want to restrict the hip turn at all.

 

And...

 

A few weeks is nothing. Driver is often the last thing to accept the change. 

 

Maybe post a video?

Maybe that didn't come out right. I'm not intentionally restricting my hips, but it feels like they're reacting to my arms, not the other way around. Is this the concept? Making the body react? If I rotate that right shoulder too early or turn in one piece, my results get worse. Seems like the body reacting to the arms limits this. I don't struggle with an OT move, so I'm really concentrating on the BS. When I just hinge (which feels new to me, I'm a roller) my positions look great and I'm smoking the ball. 

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51 minutes ago, ColoradoMike said:

Maybe that didn't come out right. I'm not intentionally restricting my hips, but it feels like they're reacting to my arms, not the other way around. Is this the concept? Making the body react? If I rotate that right shoulder too early or turn in one piece, my results get worse. Seems like the body reacting to the arms limits this. I don't struggle with an OT move, so I'm really concentrating on the BS. When I just hinge (which feels new to me, I'm a roller) my positions look great and I'm smoking the ball. 

You've nailed the feel. The body reacts to the arm turn. Monte always says that anyone who's played the game for any length of time will move correctly if the wrists and arms lead the way. 

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1 minute ago, TheDeanAbides said:

You've nailed the feel. The body reacts to the arm turn. Monte always says that anyone who's played the game for any length of time will move correctly if the wrists and arms lead the way. 

Thanks for the reply! Whole new concept...the arms pull the body into position. Now if could only get the driver and 3 wood off the deck to cooperate! 

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4 hours ago, ColoradoMike said:

Thanks for the reply! Whole new concept...the arms pull the body into position. Now if could only get the driver and 3 wood off the deck to cooperate! 

 Be careful with "the arms pull the body into position"... that's not the same as the body reacts to the arms.

There was a sticky with "The Arm Swing Illusion", and AMG have also done a video about it - the arms are not meant to be swinging across the chest... which is what "the arms pull the body into position" sounds like.

 

Here's that AMG video - quite along one - note at 5 minute mark how in takeaway they find some top Pros actually go the 'other way'... 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, coops said:

 Be careful with "the arms pull the body into position"... that's not the same as the body reacts to the arms.

There was a sticky with "The Arm Swing Illusion", and AMG have also done a video about it - the arms are not meant to be swinging across the chest... which is what "the arms pull the body into position" sounds like.

 

Here's that AMG video - quite along one - note at 5 minute mark how in takeaway they find some top Pros actually go the 'other way'... 

 

 

 

Thanks for this, maybe a bad explanation on my part. I realize it's a blend of wrist hinge AND turn, I'm not static and lifting my arms into position. Not even sure how he did that lol. As I hear Monte explain it, the motion occurs naturally with the wrist hinge....and it does for me. I guess to explain it, for me at least is I try to keep my hips a bit more square on the takeaway, or at least that's my feel.  My shoulders are turning. On camera, I'm making a full turn, but the turn feels more restricted, which I think is good. Basically, this backswing has limited my EXCESS body rotation.  I was a one piece guy with a two plane swing and my first move was always too inside due to over rotation and was constantly sucking the club inside, so this NT backswing has really improved that part of it. 

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5 hours ago, ColoradoMike said:

Thanks for this, maybe a bad explanation on my part. I realize it's a blend of wrist hinge AND turn, I'm not static and lifting my arms into position. Not even sure how he did that lol. As I hear Monte explain it, the motion occurs naturally with the wrist hinge....and it does for me. I guess to explain it, for me at least is I try to keep my hips a bit more square on the takeaway, or at least that's my feel.  My shoulders are turning. On camera, I'm making a full turn, but the turn feels more restricted, which I think is good. Basically, this backswing has limited my EXCESS body rotation.  I was a one piece guy with a two plane swing and my first move was always too inside due to over rotation and was constantly sucking the club inside, so this NT backswing has really improved that part of it. 

This exactly. The wrists hinging correctly sets the arms up to stay in front of the body. I sometimes use what I learnt from Jim to check my NTC backswing is on track. 

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16 hours ago, glk said:

His issue is lack of depth - causes him to drop his arms behind him in transition to shallow and gets path a bit too much in to out.

If he cast without dropping arms his pivot would take him pretty much out to in with release issues.

 

Sure Monte will fix him up.


I do feel more comfortable with my arms dropping as I do the cast A, at least as a rehearsal for a real swing. And depth has always been an issue for me.

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17 hours ago, JayMas said:

Obviously, you're a very skilled golfer (way more so than me that's for sure).

 

Just and observation/question from watching since I've spent so much time efficient swing and no turn cast over the last several months.

 

Was your intention here to stop at left arm parallel, push to 8:00 and start the downswing? Only asking because that push to 8 looked more like a push that just over extended your arm swing and cupped your left wrist more. It seemed like the momentum of that is what caused you to cross the line and it wasn't totally related to your transition move.

 

Looking forward to see what Monte's got for you. I'm jealous of a lot of your swing.

 

And this reminds me that I need to video my swing at the simulator this weekend so I can get some online lessons with him.

 


This is me using the no turn part as a start to the swing to get the club in a better spot and still hit the ball, which I know is not quite what a Monte advocates when doing a drill.

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12 hours ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:


This is me using the no turn part as a start to the swing to get the club in a better spot and still hit the ball, which I know is not quite what a Monte advocates when doing a drill.

 

I'm pretty interested in this. I've been reading through the thread and I'm particularly interested in your perspective. I'm a plus cap but have completely "lost it" for a few months here. I've been hitting balls outside at a heated range but I've completely lost it. Particularly with driver and fairways. I've somehow started yarding it right. This concept seems like it makes a lot of sense. I've got injuries in my hips back and shoulders from being a pro athlete in another sport. Did you buy the series and has it worked well for you? I've always struggled with pulling down from the top, steepening, but then I reroute. I play so much I've managed to make it work but shallowing the club has always felt foreign. Throwing the club kind of makes sense to me for someone like me who gets too deep/flat, keeps left arm across chest and when things get really bad excessively lifts right heel. It's honestly hard to imagine right now how I carded a 66 last season when my swing is as dogsh*t as it currently is. 

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Not discounting any opinions as I am interested in all, but are there any other low hc/scratch/+ who have had benefit from this? 

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17 hours ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

 

I'm pretty interested in this. I've been reading through the thread and I'm particularly interested in your perspective. I'm a plus cap but have completely "lost it" for a few months here. I've been hitting balls outside at a heated range but I've completely lost it. Particularly with driver and fairways. I've somehow started yarding it right. This concept seems like it makes a lot of sense. I've got injuries in my hips back and shoulders from being a pro athlete in another sport. Did you buy the series and has it worked well for you? I've always struggled with pulling down from the top, steepening, but then I reroute. I play so much I've managed to make it work but shallowing the club has always felt foreign. Throwing the club kind of makes sense to me for someone like me who gets too deep/flat, keeps left arm across chest and when things get really bad excessively lifts right heel. It's honestly hard to imagine right now how I carded a 66 last season when my swing is as dogsh*t as it currently is. 

 

I think the feels are great and it makes it easy to understand what you are doing. I didn't so much lose it as I just got generally unhappy with my inconsistency, I could watch my swing and see my faults and hearing the talk about how this could resolve the arm overrun (something I've fought) drew me in.

 

It turns out after talking with Monte my setup is the root of a lot of my issues so I have work to do on that front first, but I think it could really help with some of the issues you mention. 

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13 hours ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

Not discounting any opinions as I am interested in all, but are there any other low hc/scratch/+ who have had benefit from this? 

yes. previously, i would shallow the shaft by dumping my right shoulder, stalling my pivot and using my arms and hands to square the face...very inconsistent way to play.

 

now i can keep my left shoulder down longer to start the downswing...square the face earlier and have my arms more in sync with my pivot...much more fun 

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