Monte's new No Turn - Cast

[Lordswood]

First game today after 3 months in Lockdown. Pleased with my performance as it’s the first time I’ve been able to see the ball flight (previously only hit into a net). 
 

Just need to get to the range now to practice and get those ‘feels’ nailed. 
 

Looking forward to the next step in the journey 

[TheDeanAbides]

1 hour ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

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Edited March 29, 2021 by TheDeanAbides
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[TheDeanAbides]

1 hour ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

 

Edited March 29, 2021 by TheDeanAbides
Phone went crazy

[TheDeanAbides]

1 hour ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

So I've continued working with the feels, I've made changes to my setup to help get my hips turning more, but my arms are still running way long. I've tried just about everything to get it shortened up, I guess it just comes down to reps, reps, and more reps with the segmented takeaway? The swing extender training aid seems to be the most effective tool I've used but it doesn't seem to stick when I take it off. 

Have you tried not turning? 

 

Also, if I recall correctly, you have a pretty fast tempo? Maybe you need an intention to transition earlier?

[TheDeanAbides]

1 hour ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

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Edited March 29, 2021 by TheDeanAbides
Yup, crazy phone again

[oscar10]

Thanks Dean!

[TLUBulldogGolf]

18 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

Have you tried not turning? 

 

Also, if I recall correctly, you have a pretty fast tempo? Maybe you need an intention to transition earlier?

 

See this is the problem for me, from my lesson with Monte I need to get my hips working, it's hard for me to reconcile that with no-turn. Not doubting Monte, I can already tell it's given me some speed back with no effort to swing faster. My tendency is for my arms to be disconnected, they look a lot better when I feel like I initiate more with my hips. And yes my tempo is on the quick side. 

Edited March 29, 2021 by TLUBulldogGolf

[sthompson42]

3 minutes ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

 

See this is the problem for me, from my lesson with Monte I need to get my hips working, it's hard for me to reconcile that with no-turn. I seem to do best feeling like my hips are working at the hip high check-point, and then they continue to turn to the top. And yes my tempo is on the quick side. 

I think it depends on your prior/natural swing tendencies. I tend to turn too much. So when I feel like I don’t turn, my hips have plenty of turn on video. So I feel like no turn, but they do.  If you don’t turn back at all now, then you may need to engage the hips more as Monte says. 

[Lordswood]

After playing yesterday I went to the range today (open again) and really disappointed with how things look with my swing 🙁
 

Really struggling to get the club more vertical in the backswing even though it feels like I’d made real progress, this in turn producing a poor clubface at the top. 
 

I feel like the left wrist should be pointed more to the ground does this seem right?

 

Also feels like I’m doing Cast A but clearly the video says otherwise. Will stick with it as the feeling is there. 

[SNIPERBBB]

Your left hand should look more like you're about to backhand somebody across the face at about left arm parallel in the back swing

Edited March 30, 2021 by SNIPERBBB

[games]

@Lordswood Usually, a poor clubface at the top is a result of a bad grip and/or incorrect wrist position. 

Monte addresses the wrists in the video.  @SNIPERBBB gave you a great visual.

 

From a grip standpoint, I have adopted a stronger grip for this swing. 

With a strong grip, if I do Cast A in the right direction with the right motion, I get Cast B automatically.

The benefit is it is not as timing dependent.

 

But, my Cast B isn't as "forceful" or distance-producing as someone who actively engages Cast B.

IMO, those with weak grips need to actively engage Cast B.  The tradeoff is they'll get more distance, but will need to time it a little more.

 

Regardless, I wouldn't worry about the backswing look. Just get a good grip, get to lead arm parallel the way Monte prescribes, turn a little more and let it fly with Cast A.

 

 

 

 

    

 

 

[Lordswood]

Thanks for that visual. It feels like it is, clearly not 😂

[Lordswood]

34 minutes ago, games said:

@Lordswood Usually, a poor clubface at the top is a result of a bad grip and/or incorrect wrist position. 

Monte addresses the wrists in the video.  @SNIPERBBB gave you a great visual.

 

From a grip standpoint, I have adopted a stronger grip for this swing. 

With a strong grip, if I do Cast A in the right direction with the right motion, I get Cast B automatically.

The benefit is it is not as timing dependent.

 

But, my Cast B isn't as "forceful" or distance-producing as someone who actively engages Cast B.

IMO, those with weak grips need to actively engage Cast B.  The tradeoff is they'll get more distance, but will need to time it a little more.

 

Regardless, I wouldn't worry about the backswing look. Just get a good grip, get to lead arm parallel the way Monte prescribes, turn a little more and let it fly with Cast A.

 

 

 

 

    

 

 

Thanks for that is that a stronger grip or just a stronger left or right hand?

 

 

[wagolfer7]

1 hour ago, Lordswood said:

After playing yesterday I went to the range today (open again) and really disappointed with how things look with my swing 🙁
 

Really struggling to get the club more vertical in the backswing even though it feels like I’d made real progress, this in turn producing a poor clubface at the top. 
 

I feel like the left wrist should be pointed more to the ground does this seem right?

 

Also feels like I’m doing Cast A but clearly the video says otherwise. Will stick with it as the feeling is there. 

IMG_2816.mov

 

Sorry I'm not aware of the No Turn Cast Stuff.  

 

But just wanted to mention that your takeaway move is making it nearly impossible for you to hit it well.  Your hands move away from your body as it's first move.  This is putting your entire action to come into impact from the outside - in.  If you struggle chipping, this is also a huge role in that.  

 

Hands need to come slightly inside - club can still stay in front of the body.  

 

I know you guys are sticking to drills from the No Turn Cast stuff, so I don't want to pull away from that.  I just know how frustrating it can be, to be trying stuff and feels like nothing is working.  

[TheDeanAbides]

1 hour ago, Lordswood said:

After playing yesterday I went to the range today (open again) and really disappointed with how things look with my swing 🙁
 

Really struggling to get the club more vertical in the backswing even though it feels like I’d made real progress, this in turn producing a poor clubface at the top. 
 

I feel like the left wrist should be pointed more to the ground does this seem right?

 

Also feels like I’m doing Cast A but clearly the video says otherwise. Will stick with it as the feeling is there. 

IMG_2816.mov

You need to go right back to the beginning and get the first move down. You need to get those wrists working straight away - the wrist c0ck IS the takeaway. Work religiously on getting the P3 (left arm parallel) part of the backswing down and the rest will fall into place. 

[Lordswood]

1 hour ago, TheDeanAbides said:

You need to go right back to the beginning and get the first move down. You need to get those wrists working straight away - the wrist c0ck IS the takeaway. Work religiously on getting the P3 (left arm parallel) part of the backswing down and the rest will fall into place. 

Call it inability or a mental thing but I don’t think I can do it. Anything to help with the flat left wrist?

 

1 hour ago, wagolfer7 said:

 

Sorry I'm not aware of the No Turn Cast Stuff.  

 

But just wanted to mention that your takeaway move is making it nearly impossible for you to hit it well.  Your hands move away from your body as it's first move.  This is putting your entire action to come into impact from the outside - in.  If you struggle chipping, this is also a huge role in that.  

 

Hands need to come slightly inside - club can still stay in front of the body.  

 

I know you guys are sticking to drills from the No Turn Cast stuff, so I don't want to pull away from that.  I just know how frustrating it can be, to be trying stuff and feels like nothing is working.  

Thanks for that, I’ve gone from one extreme to the other. Sometimes it amazes me that I manage to play off 5. 

[TheDeanAbides]

21 minutes ago, Lordswood said:

Call it inability or a mental thing but I don’t think I can do it. Anything to help with the flat left wrist?

 

Thanks for that, I’ve gone from one extreme to the other. Sometimes it amazes me that I manage to play off 5. 

Monte gives a very clear and simple procedure for getting a flat wrist. c0ck your wrists straight up from the ball and then flatten the wrist. That'll give you an idea of where it needs to be. 

 

After that you just have to do loads of slow reps with a mirror to get it down. 

 

It's the Nike drill...

[Lordswood]

Oh believe me I’ve done the drill and watched the section/video over and over. Works well in the mirror it’s just transitioning it to the full swing. 

[TheDeanAbides]

29 minutes ago, Lordswood said:

Oh believe me I’ve done the drill and watched the section/video over and over. Works well in the mirror it’s just transitioning it to the full swing. 

The only way is with lots of slow reps. Forget about the full swing - get it down with P3 swings and wedges first. There's no shortcut and no way to making this work until you have that sorted. 

 

Slow reps with plenty of check-ins that gradually build up speed. If you can't do it with P3 swings at half speed you'll never do it at full speed, but it can be done. 

[Elkhair]

i just watched the no turn cast video for the first time, but i am confused. Monte has told me  a few times i need to feel my left arm off my chest quicker in the downswing. The cast to 8 o'clock seems like the club is getting behind you. Is this a feel vs real paradigm or am i misinterpreting things a little.

 

I typically rotate a little to much getting my left arm pinned to my chest in the downswing.

[ColoradoMike]

On 3/29/2021 at 11:21 AM, sthompson42 said:

I think it depends on your prior/natural swing tendencies. I tend to turn too much. So when I feel like I don’t turn, my hips have plenty of turn on video. So I feel like no turn, but they do.  If you don’t turn back at all now, then you may need to engage the hips more as Monte says. 

This was my problem as well...my body over rotated and led to an inside takeaway and arm over run. Now  I like to feel like my arms are dragging my shoulders, making my body react to the takeaway. I may be mistaken, but isn't Monte telling us to make the body react to get into proper position? I'm actually trying to restrict hip rotation on the initial takeaway and just let my arms pull me into position until the 8 position....but maybe I'm off track. lol

[CasualLie]

3 hours ago, Elkhair said:

i just watched the no turn cast video for the first time, but i am confused. Monte has told me  a few times i need to feel my left arm off my chest quicker in the downswing. The cast to 8 o'clock seems like the club is getting behind you. Is this a feel vs real paradigm or am i misinterpreting things a little.

 

I typically rotate a little to much getting my left arm pinned to my chest in the downswing.

 

I don't know...I'll the let the supreme expert answer, but it seems to me left arm pinning to the chest is not from rotating too much, it is rotating too little.  Or, it could just be independent move and you need to work on keeping that left arm a little more quiet.

 

As a Monte student also told to get that left arm off the chest quicker, it is not in conflict with the cast to 8:00.  First off, you need to get the feel the hands to 8:00 before any cast, or at least momentum heading that way as you pressure shift back to left.  The cast to 8:00 is more the club head.  Your hands are already there (or supposed to be), so it is the wrist flexion getting clubhead out.  And when you do this "right", again after pressure shift, the left arm starts to come off the chest a little, let that happen, get to cast B and arm comes off even more.

 

You could get to the top and just get arm off chest fast, but without the cast moves it is one, hard to go fast, and two, if you cast too late or not at all you won't hit a good shot.

 

[sthompson42]

1 hour ago, ColoradoMike said:

This was my problem as well...my body over rotated and led to an inside takeaway and arm over run. Now  I like to feel like my arms are dragging my shoulders, making my body react to the takeaway. I may be mistaken, but isn't Monte telling us to make the body react to get into proper position? I'm actually trying to restrict hip rotation on the initial takeaway and just let my arms pull me into position until the 8 position....but maybe I'm off track. lol

Exactly.  I feel like only my hands swing up (not even back) and they pull my shoulders and then hips into the right place. I resist any “turn” thought. And I get to the right spot per Monte’s video.

 

But again, if you are one that doesn’t turn around enough normally, this likely will not work for you. That’s why the video recording of the backswing is so critical. You just can’t trust your “feel” and often need to do the opposite.

[TheDeanAbides]

8 hours ago, Elkhair said:

i just watched the no turn cast video for the first time, but i am confused. Monte has told me  a few times i need to feel my left arm off my chest quicker in the downswing. The cast to 8 o'clock seems like the club is getting behind you. Is this a feel vs real paradigm or am i misinterpreting things a little.

 

I typically rotate a little to much getting my left arm pinned to my chest in the downswing.

The cast is only the wrist action moving the club. The left arm comes off the chest because we're keeping our back to the target for longer in the downswing which gives the arms room to drop into the slot. 

 

What most ams do is rotate the chest hard from the top which pins the left arm across the chest and gets them stuck. 

[YouDaHamHider]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but for all you right handed no turn hingers, do you feel as though you initiate the hinge with the right or left hand and wrist? 

[TheDeanAbides]

7 minutes ago, YouDaHamHider said:

Sorry if this is a stupid question but for all you right handed no turn hingers, do you feel as though you initiate the hinge with the right or left hand and wrist? 

Are you talking about from takeaway or cast a? either way it doesn't matter because they're connected. 

[YouDaHamHider]

5 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

Are you talking about from takeaway or cast a? either way it doesn't matter because they're connected. 

Takeaway. I'm just curious if people have more success feeling the hinge with one side over the other. I ask because when I sinply think 'hinge the club' my swing goes haywire! 

[TheDeanAbides]

1 minute ago, YouDaHamHider said:

Takeaway. I'm just curious if people have more success feeling the hinge with one side over the other. I ask because when I sinply think 'hinge the club' my swing goes haywire! 

It's just reps. It's a boring answer, but it's the Nike drill - Just Do It. Use whichever hand makes it more likely that you'll get the correct wrist conditions and move on. 🙂

 

For me I'm using the left wrists as my visual reference because that's the one we want to be more or less flat, but I'm hinging the entire unit together because I always want to feel like the hands are one on the club.

[TheDeanAbides]

12 minutes ago, YouDaHamHider said:

Takeaway. I'm just curious if people have more success feeling the hinge with one side over the other. I ask because when I sinply think 'hinge the club' my swing goes haywire! 

Also I found the lightbulb from the ASI thread really helped to visualise the movement of the arms. The wrists from NTC combined with that understanding fixed my lifelong issues with the backswing. 

[YouDaHamHider]

3 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

It's just reps. It's a boring answer, but it's the Nike drill - Just Do It. Use whichever hand makes it more likely that you'll get the correct wrist conditions and move on. 🙂

 

For me I'm using the left wrists as my visual reference because that's the one we want to be more or less flat, but I'm hinging the entire unit together because I always want to feel like the hands are one on the club.

I always thought the Nike Drill was to pay a child in South East Asia peanuts to make my golf swing for me. 

 

3 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

Also I found the lightbulb from the ASI thread really helped to visualise the movement of the arms. The wrists from NTC combined with that understanding fixed my lifelong issues with the backswing. 

Were you too inside before? I have the opposite problem... All arm lift no rotation.