Monte's new No Turn - Cast

[Hilts1969]

1 hour ago, berndgeurts said:

My face is closed to path, that gives me a nice push draw. But body rotation and rhythm are needed to avoid blocks slices hooks etc.

Montes lessons learn me how to do this (cast a and b combined in smooth rhythm).

 

Do you find that cast a when your range of motion is finished(unless you stop it)cast b becomes automatic?

[berndgeurts]

5 hours ago, Hilts1969 said:

 

Do you find that cast a when your range of motion is finished(unless you stop it)cast b becomes automatic?

Yes,

I practiced the casts separately, just as in the video's. After that, combining the two was relatively easy. 

Monte says in his videos that every golfer needs to get their own feel. I found mine and checked it with video and trackman. For a correct cast B, I need to have low (Not necessarily slow) hands and full torso turn, starting with my left hip to 10.30 on montes clock (a bit like Montes 'bump').

 

[TheBiles]

Are the NTC concepts compatible with the DRIVE 4 DOUGH techniques? NTC has been a revolution for my irons/hybrid game, but I still struggle with driver.  Are the concepts in D4D vastly different or would they work well together?   I don't have a problem completely throwing my driver swing out the window and starting from scratch (that's what I did with NTC), but I just wanted to hear opinions from users of both.

[jds_mlb]

I have both. In my opinion minor differences. Mostly in setup if I remember correctly.  I find no problem moving from one to the other. 

[Joe Duffer]

Is Phil Mickelson using/rehearsing Monte's "No Turn Cast Drill"?

 

 

[berndgeurts]

4 hours ago, Joe Duffer said:

Is Phil Mickelson using/rehearsing Monte's "No Turn Cast Drill"?

 

 

Looks like cast A and B

[pgetzen]

Apologize if this has been covered before, but I have had some success with the backswing portion of this swing, but have struggled more with the casting part.  Has anybody found success with driving their right shoulder to the ball (which I found in another Monte video) for the downswing portion after their transition move?  

[JetPilot]

I have found the move to be very simple and requires very little movement.  Ironically...this is the difficult part of the move.   Our minds seem to want our bodies to make a lot of movements to hit the ball far.

 

something that has worked for me....from the top....keep your rear end “against a wall”.....cast to 8 with spine tilt.....think “high right shoulder as you make your turn forward.   Oh yea....keep your spine tilt with rear end against the wall all the way through impact.

 

Those are my thoughts that have been producing fun results.  
 

 

[Doodlebug87]

I'm having a challenge with cast a and think I may be misinterpreting the move. Should I be "throwing" the club with the movement ie trying to throw the club towards 8 using arms and wrists, or simply focusing on my wrists only ie very little arm movement and just using my wrists like I'm casting a spell towards 8?

[games]

3 hours ago, Doodlebug87 said:

I'm having a challenge with cast a and think I may be misinterpreting the move. Should I be "throwing" the club with the movement ie trying to throw the club towards 8 using arms and wrists, or simply focusing on my wrists only ie very little arm movement and just using my wrists like I'm casting a spell towards 8?

Monte shows it pretty clearly when demonstrating the Cast A drill.

[pgetzen]

8 hours ago, JetPilot said:

I have found the move to be very simple and requires very little movement.  Ironically...this is the difficult part of the move.   Our minds seem to want our bodies to make a lot of movements to hit the ball far.

 

something that has worked for me....from the top....keep your rear end “against a wall”.....cast to 8 with spine tilt.....think “high right shoulder as you make your turn forward.   Oh yea....keep your spine tilt with rear end against the wall all the way through impact.

 

Those are my thoughts that have been producing fun results.  
 

 

Tried this at the range today and worked well, thanks for posting this

[nibblelander]

this is the first monte video series i have purchased., got it six months ago and very pleased with the improvements so far, also this thread is excellent in applying the idea of 'these are the key things, just need to get feels that work for you'. took one of the bits of advice about using the smart ball with the swings to keep things in sync. i took a side on video and see my hands are still not by my right thigh at p6, this was with cast b. the ball strikes are good but wondering if i am doing it correctly? 

 

 

edit: embedding as followed guide in forum help

Edited May 31, 2021 by nibblelander

[dvq9654]

I purchased the "lesson" a couple months ago. Haven't been practicing as much as I'd like, but even a little time with the cast to 8 has made a big difference in my ball striking (mainly irons, hasn't bled into driver yet). 

 

This weekend, I practiced the cast to 8 Saturday (hit 100+ balls) and again before a late round yesterday afternoon. My ball striking for the first ~8 holes of my round was the best it's ever been. Crisp, powerful, pure strikes, including a pitching wedge to 2 feet, a 58 to 5 feet and a laser 4 iron from ~210 into the wind. The feeling wore off a bit throughout the round (no thanks to slow play...), but still hit some great shots and finished at even despite going out so hot. 

 

I'm definitely going to keep working on this, as the results have been great (and I haven't really even got to the second cast yet). The great thing about this move is it appears to fix multiple issues for me, which result in more speed, better contact and a more consistent ball flight (baby draw; bye bye pull). 

 

One question though - I have fought a pull for years, but with this move my miss is a 5-10 yard push. Part of this is likely alignment, as I think I subconsciously aim right after years of pulling it, but fairly certain the push is more than just alignment. It's a well-struck push and feels great (i.e., missing long and right), and is such a better miss than a pull (i.e., the worst), but wondering if this means I need more "motorcycle" move to close the face a bit. Fairly certain the answer is yes, but would love to hear from others to validate this, while also hearing how you've had success adding more motorcycle. Or, what else has helped keep it more left after implement this move. 

[games]

5 minutes ago, dvq9654 said:

One question though - I have fought a pull for years, but with this move my miss is a 5-10 yard push. Part of this is likely alignment, as I think I subconsciously aim right after years of pulling it, but fairly certain the push is more than just alignment. It's a well-struck push and feels great (i.e., missing long and right), and is such a better miss than a pull (i.e., the worst), but wondering if this means I need more "motorcycle" move to close the face a bit. Fairly certain the answer is yes, but would love to hear from others to validate this, while also hearing how you've had success adding more motorcycle. Or, what else has helped keep it more left after implement this move. 

 

Same here.  I struggled with an OTT pull forever.  Now, I'm getting blocks. 

 

I really believe that it's more alignment than anything.  And, before pouring on the motorcycle move, maybe try a stronger grip, first?

[dvq9654]

1 hour ago, games said:

 

Same here.  I struggled with an OTT pull forever.  Now, I'm getting blocks. 

 

I really believe that it's more alignment than anything.  And, before pouring on the motorcycle move, maybe try a stronger grip, first?

 

Thanks. I'm definitely going to work on alignment, but would like to avoid strengthening my grip. It's already on the strong side, so don't want to fix one issue while creating another potential issue longer-term. 

[Precis1on]

On 6/7/2021 at 11:09 AM, dvq9654 said:

One question though - I have fought a pull for years, but with this move my miss is a 5-10 yard push. Part of this is likely alignment, as I think I subconsciously aim right after years of pulling it, but fairly certain the push is more than just alignment. It's a well-struck push and feels great (i.e., missing long and right), and is such a better miss than a pull (i.e., the worst), but wondering if this means I need more "motorcycle" move to close the face a bit. Fairly certain the answer is yes, but would love to hear from others to validate this, while also hearing how you've had success adding more motorcycle. Or, what else has helped keep it more left after implement this move. 

 

I don't know what your old move was, but here are some of my notes below for ya. 

 

Alignment's a big deal. Also you're making a new move and your body, arms, and hands are all still adjusting. Whatever hand/wrist/arm compensation you were doing with your old swing, it'll take time to remove it from your brain. 

• Check your alignment
• Practice slow, 7 irons to 50-75y shots, let your body learn slowly
• Use some camera validation to ensure you're making your new move correctly
• Don't worry about the result too much, and let your body adjust

[dvq9654]

22 minutes ago, Precis1on said:

 

I don't know what your old move was, but here are some of my notes below for ya. 

 

Alignment's a big deal. Also you're making a new move and your body, arms, and hands are all still adjusting. Whatever hand/wrist/arm compensation you were doing with your old swing, it'll take time to remove it from your brain. 

• Check your alignment
• Practice slow, 7 irons to 50-75y shots, let your body learn slowly
• Use some camera validation to ensure you're making your new move correctly
• Don't worry about the result too much, and let your body adjust

 

Thanks for the advice. Agree on all. Went to the range yesterday and continuing to make progress - just takes time to get used to new move and teach my eyes what appropriate alignment is

Edited June 8, 2021 by dvq9654

[me05501]

I have a question. What the heck is the blue stuff on the golf ball icon in Monte's videos supposed to be? Looks like pants. I can't figure it out. 

[Precis1on]

6 minutes ago, me05501 said:

I have a question. What the heck is the blue stuff on the golf ball icon in Monte's videos supposed to be? Looks like pants. I can't figure it out. 

 

I don't have his latest videos handy, but if it looks like pants then I might wager a guess at cargo shorts? 

[Joe40]

1 hour ago, me05501 said:

I have a question. What the heck is the blue stuff on the golf ball icon in Monte's videos supposed to be? Looks like pants. I can't figure it out. 

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[vsabre]

I'm afraid I'll probably have to ask for my money back on NTC😂

 

Monte promised the Transition Drill, which is not really a drill, would kill 5 birds with one stone. But it only killed 4 birds and a goat....

 

Honestly maintaining that flex has improved so many things it's hard to count them all. The "feel" vs the old swing is like I can reach down and tie my left shoe.The "real" is nowhere close and and has given me the room to actually do most everything else in NTC. 

 

Alex Noren would approve.....

[rubenmartinez13]

Purchased NTC  and loving it , one question when doing that cast A Drill do you use body rotation to bring the club down once the ulner is  preset in the backswing ? or is it more arms and let body react ?   

 

 

thanks 

[TLUBulldogGolf]

I've stuck with this concepts in this, in addition to a setup change recommended by Monte. One thing I've run into is getting the feeling that I am on top of it. I've always fought a hook but if I can get that feel I have confidence it won't pop up. What's the best way to have the shallowing move to start the downswing but still feel as though I'm on top of it? I'm also working on getting more hip turn going back as I learned in the restricted hip era and still fight that tendency, am I possibly turning my shoulders too flat?

Edited June 10, 2021 by TLUBulldogGolf

[GolfNPizza2]

8 hours ago, vsabre said:

I'm afraid I'll probably have to ask for my money back on NTC😂

 

Monte promised the Transition Drill, which is not really a drill, would kill 5 birds with one stone. But it only killed 4 birds and a goat....

 

Honestly maintaining that flex has improved so many things it's hard to count them all. The "feel" vs the old swing is like I can reach down and tie my left shoe.The "real" is nowhere close and and has given me the room to actually do most everything else in NTC. 

 

Alex Noren would approve.....

I kind of struggle with the transition drill and cast a...do you do the transition drill THEN do cast a or kind of do the transition drill and cast a simultaneously? Just looking for some insight to hopefully get me in the right direction.

[BeenWild]

Transition drills happens first but is close to a blended feel, IMO

 

By the time the club reaches the left arm parallel to the top, you should be falling to the left (for a righty).

[vsabre]

4 hours ago, Mattn1106 said:

I kind of struggle with the transition drill and cast a...do you do the transition drill THEN do cast a or kind of do the transition drill and cast a simultaneously? Just looking for some insight to hopefully get me in the right direction.

Good question and I would think you would follow the sequencing as Monte lays it out for us in NTC. But for me it's much more helpful to recognize that we're only talking a few seconds here in a full golf swing, so I prefer to practice/focus on segments of NTC. So to answer your question, I'll hit 3/4 shots under 100 yds just thinking about maintaining that transition flex with some effort at Cast A but no more. The flex alone has created a lot of positive freedom in my swing that I need lots of repetition to become used to.  I want that part of my range swing to become part of my course swing, which can appear to be two entirely different players sometimes 😇

[JetPilot]

I'm loving the NTC swing and I'm moving in a really positive direction with it.  However, my wrists are moving in directions they haven't moved before.  As a result, I'm getting some wrist tendonitis.  Has anyone else encountered this?  

[Fairways_and_Greens]

On 6/10/2021 at 7:47 PM, JetPilot said:

I'm loving the NTC swing and I'm moving in a really positive direction with it.  However, my wrists are moving in directions they haven't moved before.  As a result, I'm getting some wrist tendonitis.  Has anyone else encountered this?  

The pinky side of my left wrist is sore for sure.

[Fairways_and_Greens]

How are you guys incorporating this with your wedges? Or do you even try?

[JetPilot]

53 minutes ago, Fairways_and_Greens said:

The pinky side of my left wrist is sore for sure.

Same.   I’m going to have to take a break, which is killing me because I’m hitting it as well as I ever have.  

Edited June 13, 2021 by JetPilot