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13 hours ago, Noles said:

I agree with your overall point, but what is wrong with hitting it in a greenside bunker?  I'd be disappointed being in one if my drive was in the fairway but if I hit a bad drive and can get it in a greenside bunker in 2, that's a good chance to get it up and down for par and make bogey at worst.

 

It really depends on the bunker we are talking about. Some bunkers are the easiest up down around the green but others are those Pot bunkers with a green sloping away.

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Been scanning posts on this thread. My kid is just 11 so he behaves and plays that age therefore I can’t relate. But ages 13 to 16 usually play golf the ways parents don’t approve of. My friends and I would flop every green side shot, we’d go driver all along and always to the pin, sucker or middle. You grow out of It eventually  and, depending on your interest in competitive golf you’ll learn how to survive and save shots. It’s a great help to find a mentor for a kid, someone experienced they listen to, doesn’t need to be a top coach, but the club champion or a scratch player at your course. Role models are key for teenagers in golf. And they will always reach a kid in a way a 12 handicap dad who took up the game 10 years ago won’t. In teenage golf you try to copy your heroes but don’t listen to your dad LOL. Important thing is to raise an honest competitor with a lot of grit and determination. The game will always catch up. 

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19 hours ago, naval2006 said:

Role models are key for teenagers in golf

 

you could probably expand this to say that role models are key for teenagers (period). ?

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The biggest mistake I have seen with the growth of my kids through golf and tournaments in general is using the wrong clubs around the greens.    Most players i have seen would be using the 58 - 60* around the greens for everything.   My son absolutely loves the short game and putting.    He used to be the one that would use loft to 'try' to get it close until he did a 9 hole lesson with his instructor.   He always use to preach that same thing to me about using different clubs and to play the right shot to make it easier to get the ball in the hole.    He told my son - you had 4 shots around the green that you lost due to the wrong shot being played.   The instructor took a different path with him a few years ago when he was still gullible - he told him if he finds out or sees him using his highest lofted wedge around the green when it was not needed he will break the club and he has my approval to do so.   I know that was a more direct approach but I will say my son usually hits 7 or 8 iron bumps into greens that works far more than his player partners hitting lofted shots short or long of the target.     

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19 hours ago, MPG said:

The biggest mistake I have seen with the growth of my kids through golf and tournaments in general is using the wrong clubs around the greens.    Most players i have seen would be using the 58 - 60* around the greens for everything.   My son absolutely loves the short game and putting.    He used to be the one that would use loft to 'try' to get it close until he did a 9 hole lesson with his instructor.   He always use to preach that same thing to me about using different clubs and to play the right shot to make it easier to get the ball in the hole.    He told my son - you had 4 shots around the green that you lost due to the wrong shot being played.   The instructor took a different path with him a few years ago when he was still gullible - he told him if he finds out or sees him using his highest lofted wedge around the green when it was not needed he will break the club and he has my approval to do so.   I know that was a more direct approach but I will say my son usually hits 7 or 8 iron bumps into greens that works far more than his player partners hitting lofted shots short or long of the target.     

 

Something we recognized lately is you can't play someone else's game.   Some players are deadly with a 56 or 60 in their hand and couldn't hit close with a low lofted club. 

 

So a big lesson we been taught is play what works for you.   Just because Tiger did it a certain way doesn't mean it is the only way and the correct way for You.  This doesn't mean ignore what other players are doing. If you happen to see something this what you practice after the tournament and never try to do something you are uncomfortable with.

 

Bottom line is course management is Knowing the shots YOU CAN MAKE and then implementing it.  Everyone knows this but very very few actually implement it unless you have complete confidence on the course.

 

 

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On 10/6/2020 at 11:41 AM, tiger1873 said:

 

Something we recognized lately is you can't play someone else's game.   Some players are deadly with a 56 or 60 in their hand and couldn't hit close with a low lofted club. 

 

So a big lesson we been taught is play what works for you.   Just because Tiger did it a certain way doesn't mean it is the only way and the correct way for You.  This doesn't mean ignore what other players are doing. If you happen to see something this what you practice after the tournament and never try to do something you are uncomfortable with.

 

Bottom line is course management is Knowing the shots YOU CAN MAKE and then implementing it.  Everyone knows this but very very few actually implement it unless you have complete confidence on the course.

 

 

Preach!  All the members would try and try to get my son to use the bump and run.  Meanwhile he throws daggers with his trusty 60.

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5 hours ago, TripleBogeysrbetter said:

Preach!  All the members would try and try to get my son to use the bump and run.  Meanwhile he throws daggers with his trusty 60.

Getting wedge-shamed by a pro at my kids' lesson about having a 60* in their bag is something I'll never forget.  The pro could have handled the message in a much more constructive way than he did, and it made for a very educational thread for about a month or so, but at the end of the day I'm glad the forum was here to talk about this subject.

 

The 60* is still in both kids' bags, and they do pretty well with it when the situation calls.  Using gap wedges most of the time around the green has probably shaved strokes for them, but the 60 is definitely sticking around.

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On 10/6/2020 at 11:41 AM, tiger1873 said:

 

Something we recognized lately is you can't play someone else's game.   Some players are deadly with a 56 or 60 in their hand and couldn't hit close with a low lofted club. 

 

So a big lesson we been taught is play what works for you.   Just because Tiger did it a certain way doesn't mean it is the only way and the correct way for You.  This doesn't mean ignore what other players are doing. If you happen to see something this what you practice after the tournament and never try to do something you are uncomfortable with.

 

Bottom line is course management is Knowing the shots YOU CAN MAKE and then implementing it.  Everyone knows this but very very few actually implement it unless you have complete confidence on the course.

 

 

 

Here is the problem with this statement.

 

Different grasses and playing into the grain.  These two things call for different clubs and different shots.  If you don't have all them, you will never reach your potential.

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50 minutes ago, heavy_hitter said:

 

Here is the problem with this statement.

 

Different grasses and playing into the grain.  These two things call for different clubs and different shots.  If you don't have all them, you will never reach your potential.

 

 

You probaly need to let the last line above sink in more it isn't about the shot at all it's just an example of one thing but really could be anything.

 

Bottom line is course management is Knowing the shots YOU CAN MAKE and then implementing it.  Everyone knows this but very very few actually implement it unless you have complete confidence on the course"

 

I really didn't understand it until I started taking real detailed tracking with stats with decade. The nice thing about this app is it compares you on what players score on average and they have stats from normal players to tour players.  

 

To make a long story short you need to know what you do good and what you do poorly.  In my daughters case she is clearly better and more precise with a wedge in her hand based on the stats.   It's not that a bump run is bad it's just not as accurate as a wedge is for her.

 

If you listen to most people they would say the opposite. There also probaly correct but you also have to recognize to ignore advice too. My daughter has learned the best way to win in golf is have them copy you. works every time because they will never be as good.

 

 

 

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