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The issue with the GI with lots of offset(4mm+) is that for someone who hits a draw the clubface will be more closed at impact because the face is behind the shaft during impact so the only way to play these w/o changing one's swing is to open the face - which probably isn't the best thing.

 

I find that I like between a and 3 mm of offset.

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Here we go with the whole "concentrate more" deal. Were you not trying before?

Use whatever you are comfortable with,  but GI irons won't save a swing that isn't working, they can only do so much   Don't worry about accuracy, if people like myself and many others can p

I said in the other thread but i feel like a lot of the bad things attributed to GIs or SGI's are not really that bad and/or are exaggerated. I've used players clubs enough to know that i can use them

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16 hours ago, mahonie said:

 

There have been a few studies.

 

It’s not so much about ‘concentrating more’ but about holding focus on the target (i.e. the ball) more. Using a smaller clubhead has the side effect of causing you to focus more on the ball than you usually would because you don’t want to whiff it. That is what is causing the better strike, call it holding focus or concentrating more, it boils down to the same thing.

 

https://golfstateofmind.com/tour-player-secret-better-ball-striking/amp/

 

The Callaway Triple Track putter/ball is using the same principle. Trying to line the 3 lines up makes you hold focus for longer and the benefit is a better strike.

This is so interesting, and fully explains something weird I experienced today. 

 

I'm a very high handicapper -- like breaking 100 is a good day for me -- so I'm far from what anyone would consider a good ball-striker. I fairly recently got back into golf and started taking lessons, and I've been using my 20+ year old PowerBilt irons I got when I was 12. After a few nudges, I went into the fitter at the course where I'm taking lessons today. I went into a fitting today expecting that "super game improvement" irons with maybe a regular-flex shaft would be ideal for me. I asked to test the Ping G710 first because I like the way it looks. Lots and lots of testing later, it turned out I needed 120g stiff shafts and did much better with irons with a little smaller head size (specifically the TaylorMade P770).

 

Something about that smaller size suited my eye and my swing felt keyed in, but I've been struggling to figure out how to explain it. Obviously I was concentrating with every iron I lined up, you know what I mean? But the improved results with the smaller head were clear as day.

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22 minutes ago, eric61 said:

This is so interesting, and fully explains something weird I experienced today. 

 

I'm a very high handicapper -- like breaking 100 is a good day for me -- so I'm far from what anyone would consider a good ball-striker. I fairly recently got back into golf and started taking lessons, and I've been using my 20+ year old PowerBilt irons I got when I was 12. After a few nudges, I went into the fitter at the course where I'm taking lessons today. I went into a fitting today expecting that "super game improvement" irons with maybe a regular-flex shaft would be ideal for me. I asked to test the Ping G710 first because I like the way it looks. Lots and lots of testing later, it turned out I needed 120g stiff shafts and did much better with irons with a little smaller head size (specifically the TaylorMade P770).

 

Something about that smaller size suited my eye and my swing felt keyed in, but I've been struggling to figure out how to explain it. Obviously I was concentrating with every iron I lined up, you know what I mean? But the improved results with the smaller head were clear as day.

so did you get new set of irons or will you?  

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On 9/14/2020 at 8:33 AM, Hogan9 said:

I think another factor for those of us that are older and have been playing for a long time, is how the clubs looks. I'm 70 and grew up playing blades because there were no GI irons. While we know GI irons are more forgiving, we're just not comfortable with how they look. I like my Mizuno JPX 850s because they look like blades when sitting behind the ball. That gives me confidence.

This is humorous, as I'm the complete opposite!  When I was in 4th and 5th grade (97-98), just learning to play in a few odd summer leagues, I was using my dad's old cut-down blades from the 70's and all my buds were playing with complete youth sets of cavity-backs and other GI-style clubs.  While my clubs were thin and chrome, with pinstriped letters and branding, theirs were brushed nickel finished with big, flashy logos and grips that matched their golf bags.  Being that we were just learning, their ultra-forgiving clubs were easier to hit; my clubs had a lot of thin hits, hosel rockets, and fat chunks...so, my initial exposure to golf was that big, bold colors and logos, and wild designs played better and were better than clean, tight, and subtle.  Old habits die hard, and I still have a hard time letting go of those ideas.

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Here's one for ya! Been comparing Maltby PTM against Titleist T300. Both irons are same L/L/L and the PTM has Elevate 105 and T300 had AMT Black (similar weight in 7 iron) however the T300 are a consistent pull/draw and the PTM are right as rain. MPF says these irons are very similar in the UGI Category so what do you think gives?

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8 hours ago, dhen9 said:

Here's one for ya! Been comparing Maltby PTM against Titleist T300. Both irons are same L/L/L and the PTM has Elevate 105 and T300 had AMT Black (similar weight in 7 iron) however the T300 are a consistent pull/draw and the PTM are right as rain. MPF says these irons are very similar in the UGI Category so what do you think gives?

 

The PTM's have relatively low offset(<3mm) while the T300 look to have considerably more, maybe 4-6 mm. 

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10 hours ago, dhen9 said:

Here's one for ya! Been comparing Maltby PTM against Titleist T300. Both irons are same L/L/L and the PTM has Elevate 105 and T300 had AMT Black (similar weight in 7 iron) however the T300 are a consistent pull/draw and the PTM are right as rain. MPF says these irons are very similar in the UGI Category so what do you think gives?

 

First thing I'll say, don't use the final score in MPF, it doesn't mean what many think it does.

 

Have you compared the actual lie angles of the clubs?  Not their published specs, but the lies of the clubs you are actually hitting?  Another thought is swingweight, with both clubs having same weight shafts, if they're different enough, it *could* have an affect on shot results.

 

It could even be something as simple as alignment, you setting up a little more closed with the evil Titleist due to its visual appearance.

 

Or something else entirely.  😉

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On 9/14/2020 at 4:11 PM, Pepperturbo said:

 The italic I agree with but the bold disagree with. 

 

I've seen it first hand when friends try my 620 irons.  The MBs have very little forgiveness so someone use to SGI hitting my MB 7i usually gets lousy result.  Your swing has to be grooved to get consistent results.  However, they feel a bit better when hitting 620CB 7i, there is a smidgen more forgiveness.  If a person is use to SGI, 620 will make the same level of ball striking worse.  If I get at all lazy MB 5i will be short by 15yds.   Yesterday, friends were kind with their observational words when I hit a stinky drive on a long par 4, then pulled CB 3i and hit a beauty 195yds just short of the green, got up and down to save par.  My 2cents.  Have a good day.

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