Tour Titleist TSi 2 & TSi 3 driver and 3 woods - 2020 Safeway Open

[btyh]

1 minute ago, therealjonzone said:

@The Mad BomberFlex game is strong right there. I guess there’s a reason why I reordered the super speed yesterday haha. Incredible numbers and super stable. Great work Trev!

I keep saying I need to get the super speed kit.

[Darth_Fader]

For those of you that ordered a TSi3 driver with IZ-7X @ 45", what weight did you have installed in the head to maintain the D4 swingweight? Was it the +2 weight I presume?

[drbonesvt]

On 9/7/2020 at 8:04 PM, Carson33 said:

I used to be an all Titleist guy, but have been with TaylorMade woods for about 10 years.  That may change with this release. I really like the looks of the Ti3.

Same👍

[Pomps]

So here it is. I'm both happy and sad. TSi3 9* head arrived last night. First thing I did after warming up was put it up against my gamer for the last few years, 2016 TI M2. The M2 has 9.8* of loft versus the TSi3 with obviously 9*. Both heads I tested with a KKDCXT 60TX tipped 0.5". The m2 plays 44.5" and the TSi3 44.75". Adding a strip of SW in a neutral position to the TSi3, the M2 is D4, TSi3 is D3.5. Long story short, ball speed was virtually identical with both....163-165 on avg, good ones 167, bad ones 160/161. Launch 11-12* and spin low 2000s. Good numbers on both. Dispersion about the same same. I'm happy because those are good numbers, and the look, sound and feel of the Titleist are excellent...frankly, as good of sound or feel as any Titleist driver in the adjustable era. I guess I'm slightly sad that despite years of fittings and owning 917 D3, M3 & M3 440, Epic Flash SZ Trip Diamond, Mavrik SZ, TS3, SIM, I haven't found anything faster/longer than this m2 and maybe nothing will ever be better, let alone much better. 

 

[lhahn]

 

16 minutes ago, Pomps said:

So here it is. I'm both happy and sad. TSi3 9* head arrived last night. First thing I did after warming up was put it up against my gamer for the last few years, 2016 TI M2. The M2 has 9.8* of loft versus the TSi3 with obviously 9*. Both heads I tested with a KKDCXT 60TX tipped 0.5". The m2 plays 44.5" and the TSi3 44.75". Adding a strip of SW in a neutral position to the TSi3, the M2 is D4, TSi3 is D3.5. Long story short, ball speed was virtually identical with both....163-165 on avg, good ones 167, bad ones 160/161. Launch 11-12* and spin low 2000s. Good numbers on both. Dispersion about the same same. I'm happy because those are good numbers, and the look, sound and feel of the Titleist are excellent...frankly, as good of sound or feel as any Titleist driver in the adjustable era. I guess I'm slightly sad that despite years of fittings and owning 917 D3, M3 & M3 440, Epic Flash SZ Trip Diamond, Mavrik SZ, TS3, SIM, I haven't found anything faster/longer than this m2 and maybe nothing will ever be better, let alone much better. 

 

 

I had a 2016 TI M2, the mystical 8 degree head (8.1*) in mint condition that I sold and still kick myself for it to this day. REGRATS

 

I do prefer the feel of this TSI3 to the carbon feel of TM drivers though.

[The Mad Bomber]

3 hours ago, drbonesvt said:

8* head ??? What shaft ? Impressive 

LAGP TourAXS BLU 70X

The LA Golf stuff is ridiculously stable 👍🏻

[lhahn]

12 minutes ago, The Mad Bomber said:

LAGP TourAXS BLU 70X

The LA Golf stuff is ridiculously stable 👍🏻

How's the feel? I'm assuming tip stiff but how about the mid and butt section?

[The Mad Bomber]

1 hour ago, lhahn said:

How's the feel? I'm assuming tip stiff but how about the mid and butt section?

Pretty boardy, and that’s my jam. The Trono felt smoother for comparison. In all fairness, you pick up the Trono thinking it’s going to be an absolute unhittable 4x4 post, and it’s just not. It flew a lot higher than the AXS Blu, and that’s actually why I chose it the Blu. golfshaftreviews.com has them both at the same torque. They’re beefy shafts.

Edited December 2, 2020 by The Mad Bomber

[drbonesvt]

2 hours ago, Pomps said:

So here it is. I'm both happy and sad. TSi3 9* head arrived last night. First thing I did after warming up was put it up against my gamer for the last few years, 2016 TI M2. The M2 has 9.8* of loft versus the TSi3 with obviously 9*. Both heads I tested with a KKDCXT 60TX tipped 0.5". The m2 plays 44.5" and the TSi3 44.75". Adding a strip of SW in a neutral position to the TSi3, the M2 is D4, TSi3 is D3.5. Long story short, ball speed was virtually identical with both....163-165 on avg, good ones 167, bad ones 160/161. Launch 11-12* and spin low 2000s. Good numbers on both. Dispersion about the same same. I'm happy because those are good numbers, and the look, sound and feel of the Titleist are excellent...frankly, as good of sound or feel as any Titleist driver in the adjustable era. I guess I'm slightly sad that despite years of fittings and owning 917 D3, M3 & M3 440, Epic Flash SZ Trip Diamond, Mavrik SZ, TS3, SIM, I haven't found anything faster/longer than this m2 and maybe nothing will ever be better, let alone much better. 

 

Jack played with the same 3w for 30 some years 

 

sounds like your “ain’t broke”

[hartrick11]

6 hours ago, mrekalic said:

For those of you that ordered a TSi3 driver with IZ-7X @ 45", what weight did you have installed in the head to maintain the D4 swingweight? Was it the +2 weight I presume?

I think that's right, but probably better answered by people on here much smarter than me. I have the 3 with the IZ 7x @ 45.5" and the +4 weight (Z Grip Cord at 50.5g fwiw), and it is D8. I think subtracting 2g takes it to D7 and then cutting a half inch takes it to D4, all else equal.

[Darth_Fader]

2 hours ago, hartrick11 said:

I think that's right, but probably better answered by people on here much smarter than me. I have the 3 with the IZ 7x @ 45.5" and the +4 weight (Z Grip Cord at 50.5g fwiw), and it is D8. I think subtracting 2g takes it to D7 and then cutting a half inch takes it to D4, all else equal.

 I think that’s right to, give or take 1/2 a SW point (approx)

[Pomps]

4 hours ago, drbonesvt said:

Jack played with the same 3w for 30 some years 

 

sounds like your “ain’t broke”

Could be true.

[btyh]

33 minutes ago, Pomps said:

Could be true.

Or the m2 could be unintentionally hot? Any way to check COR?

Edited December 3, 2020 by btyh

[QuigleyDU]

Got this today.

[geakins]

12 minutes ago, QuigleyDU said:

Got this today.

Quigley when asked about where to put his lead tape on his driver...

[QuigleyDU]

1 hour ago, geakins said:

Quigley when asked about where to put his lead tape on his driver...

That is where the name came from.

[BostonWRX]

2 hours ago, QuigleyDU said:

Got this today.

Any feedback vs your sim?

[golffeen007]

2 hours ago, QuigleyDU said:

Got this today.

What shaft you go with? 

[drbonesvt]

11 hours ago, btyh said:

Or the m2 could be unintentionally hot? Any way to check COR?

His was tour issue so the + stamp, it shouldn’t  be over tolerance.  So (nod to tom Wishon for the education on this) let’s say you have a CT 240 to 254 Max legal , or  Coefficient of restitution .830 , and the tsi3 was on the low end 240 vs the Max,  it translates to a couple yards, maybe.   And the reverse is possible his TI head could be lower than the TSI3 head , just swings the TMAG better. 
 

Here lies the benefit of tour Issue , the production heads they have to have a tolerance away from the Max CT / COR or the variance during production could go over producing illegal heads, tour Issue they test and find the ones closest to the highest legal allowed CT measurement.  I remember correctly manufactures will target 240 or so ( there is a long thread on this I’m summarizing) but the head would almost have to be defective for a massive difference in speed.  240 vs 254 again a couple of yards. 
 

  to the worlds best players who get those for free sure it’s worth it.  I’ve bought those heads in the past , not so much bc it’s the hottest head, but  bc I wasn’t keen to the TMAG variance on loft and lie and wanted a 9* head not a 10* , but again a degree of loft not a huge difference.
 

My old back up driver is a superfast tp 2.0 lcg v3 tour Issue head , just about as long as today’s stuff to be honest when hit well.  But , It spins more and is certain not as forgiving as the new stuff.  

[drbonesvt]

10 hours ago, QuigleyDU said:

Got this today.

Length?

[Pomps]

11 hours ago, btyh said:

Or the m2 could be unintentionally hot? Any way to check COR?

When I first purchased it on here in early 2017, the seller told me it was 244CT. It's been used a lot, and I'm not an expert on the science, but I've heard that drivers that get more used over time, the face thins out more and can become hotter. Not sure if I have the speed for that (low to mid 160s ball speed), but I'm sure I've hit thousands of balls with it. 

[Pomps]

21 minutes ago, drbonesvt said:

His was tour issue so the + stamp, it shouldn’t  be over tolerance.  So (nod to tom Wishon for the education on this) let’s say you have a CT 240 to 254 Max legal , or  Coefficient of restitution .830 , and the tsi3 was on the low end 240 vs the Max,  it translates to a couple yards, maybe.   And the reverse is possible his TI head could be lower than the TSI3 head , just swings the TMAG better. 
 

Here lies the benefit of tour Issue , the production heads they have to have a tolerance away from the Max CT / COR or the variance during production could go over producing illegal heads, tour Issue they test and find the ones closest to the highest legal allowed CT measurement.  I remember correctly manufactures will target 240 or so ( there is a long thread on this I’m summarizing) but the head would almost have to be defective for a massive difference in speed.  240 vs 254 again a couple of yards. 
 

  to the worlds best players who get those for free sure it’s worth it.  I’ve bought those heads in the past , not so much bc it’s the hottest head, but  bc I wasn’t keen to the TMAG variance on loft and lie and wanted a 9* head not a 10* , but again a degree of loft not a huge difference.
 

My old back up driver is a superfast tp 2.0 lcg v3 tour Issue head , just about as long as today’s stuff to be honest when hit well.  But , It spins more and is certain not as forgiving as the new stuff.  

 

To this point, I also have a Japan version SLDR 430...obviously older and not tour issue like the M2, but when hit out of the middle, it's only like 1mph slower ball speed. Of course it's incredibly unforgiving and super almost unplayable spin at even 10*, but shows the differences are modest at best. 

[QuigleyDU]

39 minutes ago, drbonesvt said:

Length?

45.5

[QuigleyDU]

8 hours ago, golffeen007 said:

What shaft you go with? 

 

Currently it is the HAZ RDX black x flex. But I have a fresh Ventus blue 7x I am going to get tipped up for it. 

[golffeen007]

I was curious if this was the occasion! Let us know what how it acts for ya. 

[QuigleyDU]

10 hours ago, TrueWRX said:

Any feedback vs your sim?

They are close.. i am not sure yet if one is better than the other. 
 

so far they are super close. I do think my sim set up spins a touch less. But we will see what happens once I have the titleist shafted up with the ventus blue.. I love that shaft.

[GBBM]

On 12/1/2020 at 7:24 AM, CallawayLefty said:

Compare:

 

1. Titleist order of t100s with project x shafts...today marks 5 weeks and still no word on shipping.  
 

2. Shaft order from Will Peoples on Sunday, had a shipping confirmation by 2:00 yesterday.  Ventus blue with Callaway left handed tip.  
 

So Will, who is a one man shop, carries enough stock of $300 shafts and wrong-handed driver tips to fulfill an order in half of a business day, but Titleist needs more than a month (and still to be determined amount of time) to ship what is effectively a stock order of irons.  
 

The golf industry really needs to get with the times.  We’re in an era where Amazon won’t stop until they can deliver anything you order same-day.  Even with Covid, there is just no reason for an order to take 6 weeks to your door (and that’s assuming they ship today).  

But there is a good reason — it is when demand outstrips your supply chain. If Amazon ran out of everything you wanted they’d have delays too. Most of this stuff is made in China, some of it in Japan or other Asian countries.
 

We can’t even go eat in a restaurant but we are up in arms about orders delayed coming from Asia when demand is through the roof? Ping, one of the best customer service companies in the business, has been in the same exact boat even on stock offerings. 
 

Maybe most of the country going into winter will slow down demand enough to allow the companies to get caught up. I also plan on buying a TSI3 but no point now with another 4+ months of no golf on the horizon. Maybe we should do an allocation like the vaccine and give it to those who need it most. 
 

All right this guy lives in AZ move him to the top of the list and these guys from Canada well they can just wait. 

[CallawayLefty]

10 hours ago, GBBM said:

But there is a good reason — it is when demand outstrips your supply chain. If Amazon ran out of everything you wanted they’d have delays too. Most of this stuff is made in China, some of it in Japan or other Asian countries.
 

We can’t even go eat in a restaurant but we are up in arms about orders delayed coming from Asia when demand is through the roof? Ping, one of the best customer service companies in the business, has been in the same exact boat even on stock offerings. 
 

Maybe most of the country going into winter will slow down demand enough to allow the companies to get caught up. I also plan on buying a TSI3 but no point now with another 4+ months of no golf on the horizon. Maybe we should do an allocation like the vaccine and give it to those who need it most. 
 

All right this guy lives in AZ move him to the top of the list and these guys from Canada well they can just wait. 

Ok but those are real world problems you’re talking about.  I just want my golf clubs.  

[btyh]

12 hours ago, CallawayLefty said:

Ok but those are real world problems you’re talking about.  I just want my golf clubs.  

Just think of having a tsi3 and its sitting in the bag for almost a month now and still hasn't been hit. "Que soft violin in the background "

[nsxguy]

29 minutes ago, btyh said:

Just think of having a tsi3 and its sitting in the bag for almost a month now and still hasn't been hit. "Que soft violin in the background "

 

Why ?