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Some guys just have a period of time when they play well, and then,they don’t. Bill Haas is another. He made a ton of cash, and maybe he just relaxed a bit, and started enjoying life rather than working on his game. If he has invested well, he shouldn’t have any money issues.

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1 hour ago, ebrasmus21 said:

Maybe some “investment vehicles” Hunter was involved in turned out to be “less than optimal” 

 

He may have gotten some bad advice.   

 

 

 

Good advice: when feeding Hunter an apple, always use an open flat palm. 

 

 

 

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38 minutes ago, caniac6 said:

Some guys just have a period of time when they play well, and then,they don’t. Bill Haas is another. He made a ton of cash, and maybe he just relaxed a bit, and started enjoying life rather than working on his game. If he has invested well, he shouldn’t have any money issues.

Their pension is very lucrative. They will be fine regardless.

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44 minutes ago, caniac6 said:

Some guys just have a period of time when they play well, and then,they don’t. Bill Haas is another. He made a ton of cash, and maybe he just relaxed a bit, and started enjoying life rather than working on his game. If he has invested well, he shouldn’t have any money issues.

Bill Haas’ downfall was the fatal car accident he was involved in as a passenger. Has not been the same since. 

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22 hours ago, stlouismark said:

How did he lose his game that badly? Is he toiling on mini tours somewhere?

 

I never cared for his swing, really dislike that “wipe” move across the ball. He was never gonna have the distance to compete with that move.

 

 

What exactly do you mean by "wipe" move? To me his release looks a little mechanical and like he's really trying hard to release left. Is that what you're getting at?

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His sister in law died from acute leukemia a couple of years ago as well.   No way to quantify how much his personal life - both the good and bad parts - has impacted his game.  

 

And, on top of that, all of this ugliness.  (I have no idea who is "right" or "wrong" in this and not looking to get into that debate. Merely showing that Hunter has/had a lot going on)

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/smu-mustangs/2020/02/08/jason-enloes-resignation-from-smu-came-amid-contentious-legal-dispute-with-wifes-family/#:~:text=The letter alleged that Enloe's,A court filing on Dec.

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15 hours ago, 8milespast said:


I think you touched on it. A sloppy swing eventually turns to mush. His move was gross and unathletic with or without Foley and now he sucks. Seemed like just a matter of time. 
 

Sounds like another former big-12 stalwart you may have heard of...

 

lol, well then it took A LOT of time then if that was the only reason.   end of year rankings starting in 2007

 

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55 minutes ago, chigolfer1 said:

His sister in law died from acute leukemia a couple of years ago as well.   No way to quantify how much his personal life - both the good and bad parts - has impacted his game.  

 

And, on top of that, all of this ugliness.  (I have no idea who is "right" or "wrong" in this and not looking to get into that debate. Merely showing that Hunter has/had a lot going on)

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/smu-mustangs/2020/02/08/jason-enloes-resignation-from-smu-came-amid-contentious-legal-dispute-with-wifes-family/#:~:text=The letter alleged that Enloe's,A court filing on Dec.

 

 

Did not realize the family lost someone to leukemia.   

 

 

 

 

 

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If 1/3 of the things alleged in the suit are indeed true it puts the Mahan's in a very bad light.  And even if the law is on their side it's just got this really shady vibe to it, all the things they were doing.  No wonder he plays bad golf if he's mind is preoccupied with greed.

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42 minutes ago, Snoop Golfie Dogg said:

We could ask the same question about a lot of guys.

 

Sean O'Hair

Bill Haas

Jimmy Walker

Keegan Bradley

Jason Dufner

Nick Watney

Ryan Moore

Camilo Villegas

 

I think the answer is...golf is hard.

 


"Golf is hard" can't be the answer, since there are dozens and dozens of guys still thriving on the Tour. 

 

Something obviously went wrong with the guys you listed. They either had a swing failure they weren't able to fix or they had a failure of the mind or motivation or something else.

 

For example, I think some guys (like perhaps Jason Dufner) reach a certain point of success and money and don't care to put in the work it takes to remain elite anymore. 

 

That isn't just because golf is hard. It's because they basically chose not to be a top 100 player in the world anymore. It takes hours in the short game area, for example, that you have to be willing to put in every week. 

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20 minutes ago, nova6868 said:

Yeah that's a nice fantasy world where you just "choose" to be in the top 100, "do the work", and magically it all works out fine. I'll bet you loved that 10,000 hours thing where you just put in the 10,000 hours and then you're a pro golfer. It's based on SCIENCE! How did that work out anyway?

 

In the real world, individual sports like golf are hard. There are multiple facets to the game, not just different stroke types but the game is extremely difficult on a mental/psychological level. Every athlete has their ups and downs, this is normal. Humans are not machines. But in golf there's no team to back you up. There's nowhere to hide. You can't always just "try harder" and "work harder" and magically start winning tournaments. If you have a really bad or really long down period, you might be gone for good. 

Exactly...its like saying Tiger "knew" how to win in the 2000s, then just forgot. He knows exactly what he has to do to be #1 in the world, just physically can't practice as much as probably wants to spend more time with his kids. 

 

Bottom line is, there's only so many spots, golf is hard, and some guys we think should be great are really just on a "hot streak". Look at Speith, had some great years, now struggles. Then we look at other guys, like Justin Rose, who switched equipment, and never got to the heights he had before. Might be the Indian, not the arrow; but guys are trying to get paid why they can. Think of how many guys win one week and miss the cut the next. Heck, Colin Morikawa played at the Memorial course two weeks in a row, one was  a win one was a MC.  

 

It's kind of like basketball, Derek Rose won MVP once sandwiched between a lot of Lebron years, then never got to that level again. He has to line up the next year and figure out a way to be better than Lebron, and everyone else great in the NBA. 

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37 minutes ago, Ironman_32 said:

Exactly...its like saying Tiger "knew" how to win in the 2000s, then just forgot. He knows exactly what he has to do to be #1 in the world, just physically can't practice as much as probably wants to spend more time with his kids. 

 

Bottom line is, there's only so many spots, golf is hard, and some guys we think should be great are really just on a "hot streak". Look at Speith, had some great years, now struggles. Then we look at other guys, like Justin Rose, who switched equipment, and never got to the heights he had before. Might be the Indian, not the arrow; but guys are trying to get paid why they can. Think of how many guys win one week and miss the cut the next. Heck, Colin Morikawa played at the Memorial course two weeks in a row, one was  a win one was a MC.  

 

It's kind of like basketball, Derek Rose won MVP once sandwiched between a lot of Lebron years, then never got to that level again. He has to line up the next year and figure out a way to be better than Lebron, and everyone else great in the NBA. 

 

Derrick Rose?  Really bad example given a devastating knee injury followed by more knee injuries.

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I really liked Mahan. This is a pretty good watch. 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Snoop Golfie Dogg said:

We could ask the same question about a lot of guys.

 

Sean O'Hair

Bill Haas

Jimmy Walker

Keegan Bradley

Jason Dufner

Nick Watney

Ryan Moore

Camilo Villegas

 

I think the answer is...golf is hard.

 

 

These aren't the greatest examples either.  There are few good "golf is hard" ones but many of them had specific, identifiable events:

 

O'Hair - Sean Foley

Haas - Tragic car accident

Walker - Lyme Disease

Bradley - anchored putting ban

Moore - I'd hardly say he's fallen off the map or anything so not sure why he's on here

 

 

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1 hour ago, nova6868 said:

Yeah that's a nice fantasy world where you just "choose" to be in the top 100, "do the work", and magically it all works out fine. I'll bet you loved that 10,000 hours thing where you just put in the 10,000 hours and then you're a pro golfer. It's based on SCIENCE! How did that work out anyway?

 

In the real world, individual sports like golf are hard. There are multiple facets to the game, not just different stroke types but the game is extremely difficult on a mental/psychological level. Every athlete has their ups and downs, this is normal. Humans are not machines. But in golf there's no team to back you up. There's nowhere to hide. You can't always just "try harder" and "work harder" and magically start winning tournaments. If you have a really bad or really long down period, you might be gone for good. 

It happens all the time. Guys make some big money and gain significant financial security for their families.  They become less "hungry" and prioritize their lives differently.  Mahan has made over $40M on the PGA tour alone plus a huge pension so it's entirely possible it's at least part of his story.  Over the last 20 years or so I know I've heard other Tour guys admit that once they'd made some big money that golf was less of a priority in their lives.  Heck the list of huge contract NFL busts is long as well.  

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1 hour ago, QuigleyDU said:

I really liked Mahan. This is a pretty good watch. 

 

 

 

 

Fast forward to 10:12 if you want the actual answer to the question, lol.

 

But, agreed, the answer isn't that bad and there is some tangible things the guy is saying.  In short, his driving and putting are really not that much worse.  What seems to have happened is his already mediocre wedge game deteriorated further, which was then exacerbated by his always pretty poor around the green stats.

 

On a side note, can someone explain to me just what the heck shot he is trying to make at 12:46 in this video?  lol

 

 

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The Mahan / Enloe situation is terribly sad regardless of who is right or wrong.  But it's an all too common situation when money is involved.  The optics of someone with well over $30 million in career earnings taking the life insurance payout of a deceased sister-(in-law) is something that will follow the Mahan's for the rest of their lives. 

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17 minutes ago, Sixcat said:

The Mahan / Enloe situation is terribly sad regardless of who is right or wrong.  But it's an all too common situation when money is involved.  The optics of someone with well over $30 million in career earnings taking the life insurance payout of a deceased sister-(in-law) is something that will follow the Mahan's for the rest of their lives. 

 

I know what  you're saying but, even with what you read, I still say to myself, I really don't know the complete story one way or another.  But, yeah, it sure doesn't sound good from the way it was described.

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3 hours ago, nova6868 said:

Yeah that's a nice fantasy world where you just "choose" to be in the top 100, "do the work", and magically it all works out fine. I'll bet you loved that 10,000 hours thing where you just put in the 10,000 hours and then you're a pro golfer. It's based on SCIENCE! How did that work out anyway?

 

In the real world, individual sports like golf are hard. There are multiple facets to the game, not just different stroke types but the game is extremely difficult on a mental/psychological level. Every athlete has their ups and downs, this is normal. Humans are not machines. But in golf there's no team to back you up. There's nowhere to hide. You can't always just "try harder" and "work harder" and magically start winning tournaments. If you have a really bad or really long down period, you might be gone for good. 


You totally twisted what I said.

 

I never said it was as simple as choosing to be in the top 100. Obviously.

 

I simply pointed out one possibility for why a player gets worse: because they no longer put as much effort into practicing. This is literally a fact that some players have admitted to and a choice. 

I never said that was THE ONLY factor. Obviously golf is hard. My point is "golf is hard" is a lazy and stupid explanation for why a player can no longer compete on Tour. 

The game of golf didn't change dramatically from 2015 to 2020, did it? Is it harder now? 

Then why are Jordan Spieth's results so different? It's because for some multitude of whatever reasons, HE got worse. 

That was my point...it's not about "golf is hard" . . . it's about a player playing worse... Why they play worse is of course for a number of reasons. 

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