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I'm looking for a ball that may not exist, but I thought I'd ask. I really like the way the Prov1X feels, particularly off the putter. The Prov1 is just a little too soft. However, my natural ball flight for better or worse is high and with more spin than is ideal. I love the TMade and Srixon balls as well. I just want something that will flight a little lower with a little less spin that also feels quite firm. I understand those characteristics may be mutually exclusive, but it's worth asking. Thank you

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2 hours ago, hwturner17 said:

Yeah I'd prefer urethane, but do you have any recommendations for non-urethane? Might be a good option for winter when the greens are super soft

 

I used to play 2 piece balls but switched to 3 piece urethane last year. So I don't know what's firm.  Everyone wants soft now.  I find ProV1 to be rather firm.  

 

ProV1 left dash gives you lower spin and firmer feel.  But high flight.  

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I clicked on this assuming all the replies would say “Bridgestone Tour B X” and it hasn’t even been mentioned yet so here ya go 

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PRGR Egg HD 14.5*-Fubuki 75S 3W
PRGR EGG 20* - M-43S 7 wood

RomaRo iBrid 2 22* - Crazy Hybrid 

Miura PP9003SN 5-G - Modus 125S 

Miura HB12 @ 55* - Modus 125 W

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Try ProV1x Left Dash 

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I'd second the Bridgestone Tour BX.

Driver:  Cobra RadSpeed 10.5* @ 9.5*-Diamana Whiteboard 60X

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ProV1x Left Dash first then TP5X.

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Really, you are describing a two piece surlyn ball, and even then you aren't going to find huge differences in how high the ball goes. 

 

That is primarily a physics thing; every manufacturer is looking for the "sweet spot" where the ball goes as far as possible off the driver (given the USGA regs on the subject) and that means a pretty tight range of launch angles and spin rates off the driver.  When you look at the testing data, perhaps the most striking thing is the similarity of those numbers, regardless of the manufacturer, the cover material, the number of layers, or the price.

 

There is at least somewhat more variation in spin rates off irons among premium balls, but even then you aren't talking huge differences until you get into the surlyn cover balls.  The ProV1x is one of the firmest balls on the market AND one of the highest spinning, but the drop off in iron spin to the TP5x, for instance, is less than 5% in testing.  Again, all the manufacturers are working with the same laws of physics and ball flights, so the variations are much smaller than we would all like to think.

 

For most of us, how high the ball goes and how much the ball spins is MUCH more about our swing than what the ball is made of, or how many layers it has, or what it costs.  You prove this to yourself every time you have to punch one out from under trees, or every time you open the face of your lob wedge to hit a flop shot.  We watch the pros hit the "hop and stop" chip with the same ball that we use, but can't make do that around the green.  Changing AOA, etc.is, unfortunately, a MUCH harder fix than looking for a different ball to lower ball flight and/or spin, but we're all stuck with that.

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While you may not get the lower overall trajectory you're looking for, you will get the firmness and lower spin you want from left dash ProV1x.

If not that, then Tour BX would be a secondary option, or perhaps Snell MTB-X. Individual mileage always varies to a degree, but those are the three most likely candidates I can think of.

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34 minutes ago, bcflyguy1 said:

While you may not get the lower overall trajectory you're looking for, you will get the firmness and lower spin you want from left dash ProV1x.

If not that, then Tour BX would be a secondary option, or perhaps Snell MTB-X. Individual mileage always varies to a degree, but those are the three most likely candidates I can think of.

 

My vote is the Snell MTB-X.  Boring, lots of runout, low spin off the driver and high spin off the wedge.  Best ball I ever played.

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I wonder if you can still get Nike 20XI X balls. Those were the lowest launching urethane tour balls I can ever remember playing. 

RomaRo 435LX 10*-Quadra FEX 65SX 

PRGR Egg HD 14.5*-Fubuki 75S 3W
PRGR EGG 20* - M-43S 7 wood

RomaRo iBrid 2 22* - Crazy Hybrid 

Miura PP9003SN 5-G - Modus 125S 

Miura HB12 @ 55* - Modus 125 W

2015 PM Grind 60* - KBS Tour V

Axis1 Rose - Garsen Quad Tour grip
 

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To echo a few fellow posters, ProV1x Left dash or TP5x will do the trick

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PXG Gen 3 0311P 4i, 0311T 5-P Project X LZ 6.0 (1*weak)

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TM MyHiToe Raw 56.10* (Bent to 55.09*) KBS $Taper Black 130

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What if left dash still spins too much on irons and wedges?  I recently bought some to compare against prov1s which I have been playing since they switched a year or two ago.  I still found too much spin on irons and wedges.  I would say excessive spin coming into greens with 8 iron to 58 costs me at least 1 shot per round and probably still 1 or 2 more good opportunities at a birdie where I hit a ball that lands 10 feet from the hole and ends up 40 feet away.  
 

what else is there?  I’m considering trying some of the low compression distance balls like the q star tour or equivalent.  
 

For purposes of information, I’m a high speed player (120 with the driver) and obviously a high spin player.  

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On 9/8/2020 at 10:04 AM, hwturner17 said:

I'm looking for a ball that may not exist, but I thought I'd ask. I really like the way the Prov1X feels, particularly off the putter. The Prov1 is just a little too soft. However, my natural ball flight for better or worse is high and with more spin than is ideal. I love the TMade and Srixon balls as well. I just want something that will flight a little lower with a little less spin that also feels quite firm. I understand those characteristics may be mutually exclusive, but it's worth asking. Thank you

 

First, which shots are you talking about? Driver? Fairways/Hybrids? Irons?

 

If the answer is driver, a ball change is not going to be effective at combating excessive spin/launch. All other variables remaining equal, the variance in launch and spin off the driver is relatively small across all multi-layer urethane balls that are available on the market. The most effective solution to this problem would be to lower driver loft (or better yet address the root cause which would be a swing flaw). 

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6 hours ago, CallawayLefty said:

What if left dash still spins too much on irons and wedges?  I recently bought some to compare against prov1s which I have been playing since they switched a year or two ago.  I still found too much spin on irons and wedges.  I would say excessive spin coming into greens with 8 iron to 58 costs me at least 1 shot per round and probably still 1 or 2 more good opportunities at a birdie where I hit a ball that lands 10 feet from the hole and ends up 40 feet away.  
 

what else is there?  I’m considering trying some of the low compression distance balls like the q star tour or equivalent.  
 

For purposes of information, I’m a high speed player (120 with the driver) and obviously a high spin player.  

 

Short iron/wedge spin is predominantly impacted by cover hardness (other layers/overall compression has a negligible impact), so if you are spinning the ball back that severely on full short iron shots, you may have to move to an ionomer covered ball to reduce spin enough to make a difference. Unfortunately moving from urethane to ionomer is going to mean other concessions that may be a greater detriment (less greenside spin, lower driver ball speeds since most 2-piece balls are fairly low compression).

 

I know it is easier said than done, swallowing out your angle of attack is likely the most effective way to solve your problem. 

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