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What real world gains?

 

 

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Instead of just focusing on a new SIM, why not just get fit for the best driver & shaft for your swing? Who knows, your current driver might be so close it’s not even worth buying a different driver?

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Totally agree with Subaru.  Driver tech has plateaued since the mid-2000s when head sizes and COR faces are at the legal max.  Since then, the OEM have been fiddling with making the heads more aerodynamic and manipulating the COG to squeeze out a few extra yards.  If you think you will gain an extra 10 yards of carry overnight by buying a driver that is only 1 year newer than your existing driver you're sadly mistaken (unless you had a really crappy fitting for your existing driver).

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Taylormade ATV wedges in 54 and 58 degrees with stock steel shafts
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If your thinking in terms of distance the gains are there but minimal really, a couple yards here and there.. Some might say otherwise but with drivers where they are now days I personally don't believe anyone playing a driver built after say 2018 is going to gain much in the distance category.  Now, if you were currently playing a 910 and upgrading to the SIM then yes, distance would be significant.. 

 

I've been gaming my SIM for about 5 or 6 months now and don't see it going anywhere.. Where it really shined FOR ME was managing the left miss..  Being that the SIM seems sort of fade bias it  really seems to help when you turn one over a little too much..  If your miss is right then the SIM might not be a good fit..

 

Another big factor for me was the Forgiveness on a toe strike. I've struck several and though UH OH and the thing still goes...

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22 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Do it.

 

 

 

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I’ve been playing the M3 9.5* for the past year. When I saw some positive reviews about the SIM I decided to buy one, with the intention of selling it if it didn’t outperform the M3. 
 

After 3 rounds with the SIM 9* (and a few shaft tweaks), I’m sticking with it for now. The difference has been my ability to flight it high and low—which was difficult to do with my M3. I’m generally a mid-flight player, but prefer to intentionally flight down shots into the wind. With the SIM I’m able to do that.

 

As compared to M3, I have had a 2-way miss with SIM. I’ve always struggled with a right-side miss (lefty overdraw) with M3, but with SIM I’ve missed the fairway on both sides.

 

Unfortunately, I haven’t hit SIM on a launch monitor to compare to M3. I’m interested in seeing the launch and spin differences between the two. 

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5 hours ago, Charlie1961 said:

Currently gaming a TS3 8.5 with an Atmos 6 s tipped 1/2 inch. Swing speed 100-105. 5 hdcp. Please tell me your real world gains after switching over from a newer driver to the Sim

That’s easy, hit your driver and the Sim side by side. For me, I picked up about 3mph in ball speed, dropped my spin about 600rpms. On the course it gets me about 10-15yds extra.

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Ping G410 7wd @ Flat setting Graffaloy Pro Lite 3.5 Reg
Ping G410 22 hybrid @ 21 flat Alta CB Reg
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If you enjoy hitting blocks you'll love the Sim! In all seriousness it's a good driver but if your miss is a push or push cut it may not be a good fit. I'm testing one out against my Mavrik SZ and it's losing so far...

Callaway Mavrik SZ 9* Aldila Rogue 130MSI 60x

Taylormade Sim Max 15* Aldila Rogue 110MSI 70x

Callaway Apex '19 20* Veylix Rome 988 90x

Miura CB-57 4-7 Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100

Miura MB-001 8-PW Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100

Titleist JDM Forged 51F & 56M Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400

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Moved to a SIM max from M4 - Biggest change for me was getting properly fitted and 4-5 rounds on course testing that removed doubt from my mind that it was range queen.
Range tested it vs Mav, Cobra and mizuno - Sim feels heavier and more stable vs other heads with similar shafts.
Not noticed much fade bias but my bad swing is a self induced slice so if it goes right its me 95% of the time - can do that with any driver.
Negligible if it gains much on the M4 on good hits but I dropped spin a touch and the ball flight is higher and knucklier in general

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Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 15 - Even Flow Blue 6.0

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1 hour ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

If you enjoy hitting blocks you'll love the Sim! In all seriousness it's a good driver but if your miss is a push or push cut it may not be a good fit. I'm testing one out against my Mavrik SZ and it's losing so far...

 

 

In my fitting, it was magically snappers left while the Mavrik SZ was pretty straight with a gentle fade at the end.  To the OP, to try everything out and get fitted, too many good sticks and shaft combos out there to just sit on 1 without really trying it out.

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Titleist TS3 8.5* w/ DI BB-6X

TM Sim Ti 14* w/ Kai'Li 80X

Titleist TS3 19*  w/ Atmos HB TS Blue 8X 

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I went for a Driver fitting yesterday, trying the SIM, G410 LST, SpeedZone and the Titleist TS4. I went in fully expecting to come out with a SIM, however I was picking up an extra 10 yards with the TS4, and it was the most accurate of the lot so I ordered that.

 

The SIM seemed OK to me, but wasn't a huge fan of the slightly muted feel off the face, and wasn't getting the same yardage as the TS4. I went for a fitting as my D3 has a tendancy to go right, sadly the SIM didn't really do anything to prevent that.

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I moved on from my SIM, unfortunately I could never get a good fit with it.  Did I get distance?  Yep.  Did I get accuracy, Nope.

 

It is a great driver that will fit a pile of people, however.  With the 9* I missed both ways and when I turned it down to remove the left miss I could only hit it right, and never turn it over at all and the ball was short due to low launch.  The 10.5 I could get into the correct flight window with it turned down, but had to work so hard to hit it straight, that it ended up with me hitting a pile WAY left, and when trying to hit a baby fade slicing off the planet.  I was not able to find the right combo for me.

 

Is it a good/great driver?  Yes, if you are fitted for it.  If you just buy one off the rack you might as well shake a magic 8-ball as you have no clue what you'll get.  Or at least go to a decent store and hit your gamer against it, as many on here are either against fitting or think you can buy a long straight driver off the rack.

 

 

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11 hours ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

If you enjoy hitting blocks you'll love the Sim! In all seriousness it's a good driver but if your miss is a push or push cut it may not be a good fit. I'm testing one out against my Mavrik SZ and it's losing so far...

Sim is fade biased. Mav sz is draw biased. I'd be surprised to see otherwise when the other site does their CoG report. I hit them both in January when I demoed. Mav sz had 3 or 4 hard left misses out of 12-15 balls. Sim had none. 

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1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

Sim is fade biased. Mav sz is draw biased. I'd be surprised to see otherwise when the other site does their CoG report. I hit them both in January when I demoed. Mav sz had 3 or 4 hard left misses out of 12-15 balls. Sim had none. 


Absolutely and I will say it’s nice that the high toe shot just goes straight. I’d like to try to set it up to work but so far it’s a no. The shaft is Evenflow White 65x which I hate though. I have a TZ6 M5 I’m going to tip up for it. Might try to get a heavier back weight as well which in theory should make it easier to turn over. Even huge cuts go miles so it has potential you just have to get it set up well I guess. 

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Taylormade Sim Max 15* Aldila Rogue 110MSI 70x

Callaway Apex '19 20* Veylix Rome 988 90x

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Miura MB-001 8-PW Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100

Titleist JDM Forged 51F & 56M Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400

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Not scientific, but I posted this picture in another thread showing how the weight sits compared to the longitudinal axis through the center of the club face. Love my Max, but when I thought the Ventus Blue was for me despite lots of fades, I was re-fit into another shaft that is perfect (launch monitors and real world can sometimes vary). I had tried a slightly heavier weight in the back as well when playing it shorter with the old shaft, and that made it even more fade biased. My 9° head is now set at 10.5°, and even though that is stated as being 3°closed, it looks to be perfectly square. With the new shaft, I hit it mostly dead straight, with my normal baby draw occasionally popping in. 

 

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27 minutes ago, TigerInTheWoods said:


Absolutely and I will say it’s nice that the high toe shot just goes straight. I’d like to try to set it up to work but so far it’s a no. The shaft is Evenflow White 65x which I hate though. I have a TZ6 M5 I’m going to tip up for it. Might try to get a heavier back weight as well which in theory should make it easier to turn over. Even huge cuts go miles so it has potential you just have to get it set up well I guess. 

Heavier back weight with a softer shaft could help with a straighter flight. A softer shaft with heavier back weight "should" increase shaft deflection resulting in a faster rate of face closure. However, due to the position of the back weight, a heavier weight increases fade bias of the head. I've been playing with heavier back weights. 21g and 19g. Both showed good and bad. The bad was that hard right miss is not helped. The good was that a lot of strikes produced straighter shots than my current setup. I have 14g in the front track (10g in the heel, 4g in the center). So 21g backweight with 8g in front track was good but when I went after it hard and strike got centered or even heel side of center, i saw a big right miss. The 19g backweight with 8g front track just gave me right misses. Swingweight issues likely contributed with the 21g backweight. But my swing has been a bit of a mess the last 5 weeks and I didn't see improved forgiveness with the 19g backweight (good swingweight). 

 

I'm going to try a 15g and 17g weight in the back. Both of those should allow me to keep the 10g near the heel in the front track thus reducing the heavier backweight's propensity to impart fade spin. 

 

I'll add, my current setup works really well for me. I control it very well. But the last 5 weeks, as noted, my swing is off bigly. I've seen less than stellar driver play the last 3 rounds (all me) but would.like a more forgiving setup to help when things go haywire. If I can find that combo then I'm better on off days. 

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I recently switched from MAV SZ to SIM.  Overall very similar distance, I have a slightly better fit currently with my SIM than I had with MAV.  It's longer, but not by a ton, and I'm 100% positive it's fitting related.  I could have kept switching shafts to dial in the fit on my MAV SZ most likely.   The area for me personally where is shines is accuracy.  It's probably a combo of the fade biased head, and the shape/colors pleasing my eye and aiding in proper alignment....but this thing has taken left miss off the table for me.  I'm hitting ~15% more fairways since putting it in play.  I'm pleased in that regard.  

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TaylorMade SIM Max 3W 15*, HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g 6.5
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40 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Heavier back weight with a softer shaft could help with a straighter flight. A softer shaft with heavier back weight "should" increase shaft deflection resulting in a faster rate of face closure. However, due to the position of the back weight, a heavier weight increases fade bias of the head. I've been playing with heavier back weights. 21g and 19g. Both showed good and bad. The bad was that hard right miss is not helped. The good was that a lot of strikes produced straighter shots than my current setup. I have 14g in the front track (10g in the heel, 4g in the center). So 21g backweight with 8g in front track was good but when I went after it hard and strike got centered or even heel side of center, i saw a big right miss. The 19g backweight with 8g front track just gave me right misses. Swingweight issues likely contributed with the 21g backweight. But my swing has been a bit of a mess the last 5 weeks and I didn't see improved forgiveness with the 19g backweight (good swingweight). 

 

I'm going to try a 15g and 17g weight in the back. Both of those should allow me to keep the 10g near the heel in the front track thus reducing the heavier backweight's propensity to impart fade spin. 

 

I'll add, my current setup works really well for me. I control it very well. But the last 5 weeks, as noted, my swing is off bigly. I've seen less than stellar driver play the last 3 rounds (all me) but would.like a more forgiving setup to help when things go haywire. If I can find that combo then I'm better on off days. 

 

 That's super helpful thanks for the breakdown. That makes a lot of sense given how the back weight is positioned. The second I saw this in store I knew it would likely have a pretty sizable fade bias given that weight position and how the head is shaped generally. I'm not exceptionally long by WRX standards but I average 300 off the tee (roll included) but that included both bunt fairway finders and bomb balls. SS just over 110 ball speed hovers just over 160. I tend to leave the face open as a miss and really don't like feeling like I have to manipulate it or I start to get the snappers. Probably why Mav has worked well for me. I just don't like the high toe with the SZ. That said, I can live with it if need be, just hoped I could dial the Sim in to be the unicorn I've been looking for. 

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Taylormade Sim Max 15* Aldila Rogue 110MSI 70x

Callaway Apex '19 20* Veylix Rome 988 90x

Miura CB-57 4-7 Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100

Miura MB-001 8-PW Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100

Titleist JDM Forged 51F & 56M Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400

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1 hour ago, Hammer22 said:

Not scientific, but I posted this picture in another thread showing how the weight sits compared to the longitudinal axis through the center of the club face. Love my Max, but when I thought the Ventus Blue was for me despite lots of fades, I was re-fit into another shaft that is perfect (launch monitors and real world can sometimes vary). I had tried a slightly heavier weight in the back as well when playing it shorter with the old shaft, and that made it even more fade biased. My 9° head is now set at 10.5°, and even though that is stated as being 3°closed, it looks to be perfectly square. With the new shaft, I hit it mostly dead straight, with my normal baby draw occasionally popping in. 

 

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That's easily one of the dumbest pictures on this site.  The camera angle is off and who knows what is going on inside the head.  The line isn't even in the center of the face.  look at the words under the face... the line didn't go their the center of them. 

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TaylorMade Sim Max driver HZRDUS Black Smoke

TaylorMade Sim 3 wood HZRDUS Black Smoke

TaylorMade Sim Udi 2
TaylorMade p760 5-pw
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TaylorMade Sim Max driver HZRDUS Black Smoke

TaylorMade Sim 3 wood HZRDUS Black Smoke

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14 hours ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

If you enjoy hitting blocks you'll love the Sim! In all seriousness it's a good driver but if your miss is a push or push cut it may not be a good fit. I'm testing one out against my Mavrik SZ and it's losing so far...

 

Have you tried hitting it in the "upright" setting?

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3 hours ago, getitdaily said:

Sim is fade biased. Mav sz is draw biased. I'd be surprised to see otherwise when the other site does their CoG report. I hit them both in January when I demoed. Mav sz had 3 or 4 hard left misses out of 12-15 balls. Sim had none. 

 

Haven't most of the TM "better of the 2" drivers been fade biased (M1 vs M2, M3 vs M4, etc.) ?

 

That said, with the SIM, it wasn't very difficult to hit my preferred baby draw. Much easier for me than the M1, 3, & 5.

 

 

1 hour ago, nlinneman20 said:

Dont, played with a guy who literally unwrapped one on hole 1, we tee off on 12, the entire crown flew off into the brush.

 

I am sure they replaced it but he played the rest of the round with a wood off the tee.

 

Classic example of a "1 off" (pun intended :classic_laugh:) disproving a "rule".

 

"Hey, I was hitting a __________ driver over a pond, accidentally let go of it and now it's gone. Don't buy THAT driver" :classic_rolleyes::classic_laugh:

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44 minutes ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

 

 That's super helpful thanks for the breakdown. That makes a lot of sense given how the back weight is positioned. The second I saw this in store I knew it would likely have a pretty sizable fade bias given that weight position and how the head is shaped generally. I'm not exceptionally long by WRX standards but I average 300 off the tee (roll included) but that included both bunt fairway finders and bomb balls. SS just over 110 ball speed hovers just over 160. I tend to leave the face open as a miss and really don't like feeling like I have to manipulate it or I start to get the snappers. Probably why Mav has worked well for me. I just don't like the high toe with the SZ. That said, I can live with it if need be, just hoped I could dial the Sim in to be the unicorn I've been looking for. 

Our speeds are exactly the same. I play a fade. I'm in a rogue silver 60 TX for the driver (125msi). I also play the driver in the upright lie setting. My current config is..the black weight is the 4g

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18 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

Haven't most of the TM "better of the 2" drivers been fade biased (M1 vs M2, M3 vs M4, etc.) ?

 

That said, with the SIM, it wasn't very difficult to hit my preferred baby draw. Much easier for me than the M1, 3, & 5.

Yes, all of the TM drivers I’ve owned are fade biased (M1, M3, now SIM). I find it just as easy to draw as my M3.
 

In fact, SIM appears a touch less open at address vs my M3. I’m careful to make sure I address the ball with a slightly open face. 

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