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I guess I will have to try it out and see how it performs for me but what are your thoughts about this driver for a slower swing speed like mine? My theory is that it may produce less side spin therefore reducing the slice. I'm also not a fan of the big bulky drivers like the Mavrik Max so please do not give me the standard response of the "forgiving" drivers, thanks. Additionally, I have tried the Srixon Z 785 driver and it was pretty much point and shoot with only slight curvature either way depending on a heel or toe strike. I like that driver but I have that dang sub zero on my mind because I would prefer the driver to match my current set of irons. 

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4 minutes ago, jpbova said:

Do you know what your current spin rate is?  Not having enough spin can be problem too

I do not. I may have to get the golf shop to put me up on a monitor after I give it a go and see how it performs out on the driving range. 

 

I'm guessing that it won't be long before the forum police catch up with me and point out that variable is missing from the information but I am more or less interested if there are others on here with similar swing such as a fade at 85 mph. Good question though and I will take that into consideration, thank you. 

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Just an anecdotal example. I play a Epic SZ with a stiff shaft (Aldila RIP). My swing speed is about 100-105. My playing partner plays the standard EPIC. His swing speed is in the 90 mph range. We both were fitted around the same time. With his slower swing speed, he couldn't get any performance out of the SZ. Poor launch angles and not enough spin. The ball seemed to fall out of the air. Much better performance for him with the std EPIC. I tried the std EPIC, and it was OK, I just got better numbers off the SZ.

 

BTW, he plays a soft fade off the tee.

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Have you read up on the Big bertha 21 Driver? Supposed to be designed for this.

 

Im gonna go hit one on friday when they arrive in shops. My swing speed is 85-90, Im a regular flex guy and the sub zero epic i tried when demoing an epic made things worse just FYI.

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34 minutes ago, gripandrip said:

Just an anecdotal example. I play a Epic SZ with a stiff shaft (Aldila RIP). My swing speed is about 100-105. My playing partner plays the standard EPIC. His swing speed is in the 90 mph range. We both were fitted around the same time. With his slower swing speed, he couldn't get any performance out of the SZ. Poor launch angles and not enough spin. The ball seemed to fall out of the air. Much better performance for him with the std EPIC. I tried the std EPIC, and it was OK, I just got better numbers off the SZ.

 

BTW, he plays a soft fade off the tee.

I may have to stick with the Srixon Z 785 then. The Mavrik standard performed the same as Mavrik Max for me and I could not stand the large head in either of them. But your response was pretty standard so we'll see. Keep hope alive..

 

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40 minutes ago, pholway said:

Have you read up on the Big bertha 21 Driver? Supposed to be designed for this.

 

Im gonna go hit one on friday when they arrive in shops. My swing speed is 85-90, Im a regular flex guy and the sub zero epic i tried when demoing an epic made things worse just FYI.

I'm going to go hit one on Friday also. Where are you from?

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12 minutes ago, randyfitz said:

BB21 looks awesome.  I am currently using the Callaway Rogue Draw Driver and it definitely helps with the slice.

It looks okay but not great. None of the draw drivers have helped me and I also tried the Rogue series. I'm betting the large head on the B21 is going to put me off and will not match the performance of the Srixon Z785 thus far. Besides why don't they call draw drivers what they are, "hopefully less fady" haha

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Srixon 785 is a fantastic driver. Seems like you have your answer.

 

Anything is possible, but if I were betting I'd say the Sub Zero would not be a good match. The slower the swing, the more you need spin to keep the ball in the error. When the spin is too low it just falls out of the sky and comes up way short. 

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5 minutes ago, scooterhd2 said:

Srixon 785 is a fantastic driver. Seems like you have your answer.

 

Anything is possible, but if I were betting I'd say the Sub Zero would not be a good match. The slower the swing, the more you need spin to keep the ball in the error. When the spin is too low it just falls out of the sky and comes up way short. 

Yeah probably, I appreciate your honest response. I was kind of hoping for a unicorn I guess. I'm still going to try it out but most logically probably the Srixon.

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Could always do the obvious thing and fix the swing...  I mean threads like this are just begging for actual answers and not reinforcement of bad ideas.

 

With such a low SS, you can't be generating that much spin in the first place, so if a slice is that bad, you really should fix that.

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10 minutes ago, gwelfgulfer said:

Could always do the obvious thing and fix the swing...  I mean threads like this are just begging for actual answers and not reinforcement of bad ideas.

 

With such a low SS, you can't be generating that much spin in the first place, so if a slice is that bad, you really should fix that.

I do not slice with the Srixon Z 785 when I swing without setting the wrist, it reaches the fairway. Not so with the "draw" drivers and the overly large heads they want to go straight left. If I set the wrist I either get a push fade or a slice. BTW you come off as a snob.

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I would say no on the sub zero at 85mph on paper , but with a soft tip reg flex , 14g weight in the back , you might get a running straight ball. Of course it's designed for a little faster ss than yours , but I've seen crazier things. Go give it a shot. I wouldn't sleep on the new BB21 , if you dig the shape or even the Ping g410. Best of luck

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38 minutes ago, Striker Ace said:

I do not slice with the Srixon Z 785 when I swing without setting the wrist, it reaches the fairway. Not so with the "draw" drivers and the overly large heads they want to go straight left. If I set the wrist I either get a push fade or a slice. BTW you come off as a snob.

 

Yes, giving actual advice to some does come off as being 'snob' like...  Here's another sparkling tidbit for you then, it's all in your head!

 

At this point I'm not sure you even know what shafts you're trying out other than it's likely you've found one that works for your flawed [enter smart azzed response here].

 

A blanket statement of '85 mph chs' without know all the other variables (going to just guess you picked that number as well, as you don't have any of the other numbers, so how do you know chs) that a monitor/fitter can give you to make an actually informed decision, then dismiss sound, logical advice seems, dare I say it, snob like... 

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2 minutes ago, gwelfgulfer said:

 

Yes, giving actual advice to some does come off as being 'snob' like...  Here's another sparkling tidbit for you then, it's all in your head!

 

At this point I'm not sure you even know what shafts you're trying out other than it's likely you've found one that works for your flawed [enter smart azzed response here].

 

A blanket statement of '85 mph chs' without know all the other variables (going to just guess you picked that number as well, as you don't have any of the other numbers, so how do you know chs) that a monitor/fitter can give you to make an actually informed decision, then dismiss sound, logical advice seems, dare I say it, snob like... 

Here we go again.. busted by the forum police. Thanks for your "advice", keyboard warrior.

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2 minutes ago, Striker Ace said:

Here we go again.. busted by the forum police. Thanks for your "advice", keyboard warrior.

 

Dismiss away, but it's just showing that you really aren't interested in anything other than having people reinforce the idea you've presented regardless of merit.

 

Has nothing to do with a 'keyboard warrior', you're just not good at actually accepting an answer and then try to act like it's others fault for calling you out on your own stupidity.

 

Just lock this up, as you've clearly already made up your mind pro...

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15 minutes ago, gwelfgulfer said:

 

Dismiss away, but it's just showing that you really aren't interested in anything other than having people reinforce the idea you've presented regardless of merit.

 

Has nothing to do with a 'keyboard warrior', you're just not good at actually accepting an answer and then try to act like it's others fault for calling you out on your own stupidity.

 

Just lock this up, as you've clearly already made up your mind pro...

Never said I was a pro and you assumed that I made up my mind. You know what, you must be old and grumpy? I'm going to give you a free pass like I do with those old drivers on the road..

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2 minutes ago, Striker Ace said:

Never said I was a pro and you assumed that I made up my mind. You know what, you must be old and grumpy? I'm going to give you a free pass like I do with those old drivers on the road..

 

Oh we've already established you aren't a pro, didn't think this was in doubt.  As for giving me 'a free pass', embarrassing...

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4 minutes ago, gwelfgulfer said:

 

Oh we've already established you aren't a pro, didn't think this was in doubt.  As for giving me 'a free pass', embarrassing...

Spoken like a true forum snob. Your great great grand children must really look up to you?

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12 minutes ago, Striker Ace said:

Spoken like a true forum snob. Your great great grand children must really look up to you?

 

I'm not the one with the 85 mph chs gramps...

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Okay so maybe I am the minority but for me since my driver spin is high which is caused by my negative AoA so I am told, I use the SZ models for less spin!  My current model the Mavrik SZ is also about 20-25 yards farther then the Epic Flash SZ and Rogue SZ that I played prior so I am ecstatic at the results from the Mavrik SZ.  I don't normally have much problem finding the fairway off the tee so that has not been an issue with any driver.   Oh and my driver speed is about 90.

 

I also have the Cobra F9 and it is not any SZ type driver but it seems like a get a little less spin anyway with this and this club too is longer but not by much over the Epic Flash SZ or Rogue SZ.

 

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22 minutes ago, lil'mike said:

Okay so maybe I am the minority but for me since my driver spin is high which is caused by my negative AoA so I am told, I use the SZ models for less spin!  My current model the Mavrik SZ is also about 20-25 yards farther then the Epic Flash SZ and Rogue SZ that I played prior so I am ecstatic at the results from the Mavrik SZ.  I don't normally have much problem finding the fairway off the tee so that has not been an issue with any driver.   Oh and my driver speed is about 90.

 

I also have the Cobra F9 and it is not any SZ type driver but it seems like a get a little less spin anyway with this and this club too is longer but not by much over the Epic Flash SZ or Rogue SZ.

 

If the Mavrik SZ is truly 20-25 yards longer something is enabling you to hit the middle of the face.

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My recommendation: Keep pointing and shooting. I don’t play the z785, I play the z585. Was going to try the 785 if the bonded, non-adjustable 9.5 degree brand-new 585 didn’t work out. It came with an X flex Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 6X flex which I sort of could handle but certainly wasn’t optimal. Swapped in a Red Tour Spec 6 stiff, cut it to play at 44.50 inches, and the swingweight dropped to C8. I put lead tape all over the sole (no hotmelt, didn’t think I’d keep it) to get the swingweight back up to D0/D1 (looks hideous) and proceeded to hit my best drives in years over multiple rounds. I center this driver again and again. I know I could squeeze a little more out of other heads, and I did jump for the Mavrik Max. Quite honestly it looks huge next to the Srixon. Just not my cup of tea. If it feels big to me it often feels cumbersome, not to mention the 45.75 inch playing length. 

 

I actually have thought about what I could do with a 785 with the right shaft. It’s an elite driver. There’s a reason you keep coming back to it. So I am with you on shape and footprint and how it all comes together. To my eye, these Srixons look good. And I believe no matter what they do, the 585/785 driver release is going down as a great year. If they said Callaway on them they’d be everywhere. 
 

If you find the 785 appealing and enjoy the driver chase, I find more similarities in shaping and overall footprint with some of the Titleist and TaylorMade drivers. SIM looks good to me and so does the TS3 or the 917 heads. I believe you’ll find the current Callaway heads to be something you’d need to give yourself time to adjust to if you’re getting results. Or dial in that 785 and drive on. 

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5 hours ago, Striker Ace said:

I guess I will have to try it out and see how it performs for me but what are your thoughts about this driver for a slower swing speed like mine? My theory is that it may produce less side spin therefore reducing the slice. I'm also not a fan of the big bulky drivers like the Mavrik Max so please do not give me the standard response of the "forgiving" drivers, thanks. Additionally, I have tried the Srixon Z 785 driver and it was pretty much point and shoot with only slight curvature either way depending on a heel or toe strike. I like that driver but I have that dang sub zero on my mind because I would prefer the driver to match my current set of irons. 

I will tell you this, the closer you get to 17* launch and 1700rpms of spin will provide longer drives regardless of ball speed. 

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1 hour ago, hammergolf said:

I will tell you this, the closer you get to 17* launch and 1700rpms of spin will provide longer drives regardless of ball speed. 

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/303248/how-far-you-can-actually-hit-your-driver/

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16 hours ago, Striker Ace said:

I'm going to go hit one on Friday also. Where are you from?

I live in chevy chase MD - probably going to golfdom to demo it. you?

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Spin is the big factor here. You could benefit from the SZ at your swing speed if you generate more than normal spin for some reason. 

I create to much spin from a negative AOA, so a low spin driver helps me even with a moderate SS.

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Much of this could be solved by shaft replacement from a fitter, without changing heads. IMO 

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