2020 US Open

[drbonesvt]

47 minutes ago, Greg_B said:

 

Well, Southern Hills in OK has hosted a few. That isn’t too far away. Champions in Houston hosted once but I don’t know if that is now felt to have been a mistake. I’d just like to see something in the middle of the country. Unlike some (or perhaps many), I’m not a big Pinehurst fan but the USGA is now in bed with them so that isn’t going away.

They are lengthening Southern Hills

[Golf10]

55 minutes ago, Greg_B said:

 

Well, Southern Hills in OK has hosted a few. That isn’t too far away. Champions in Houston hosted once but I don’t know if that is now felt to have been a mistake. I’d just like to see something in the middle of the country. Unlike some (or perhaps many), I’m not a big Pinehurst fan but the USGA is now in bed with them so that isn’t going away.

 

I like Pinehurst #2 as well, but can't help feeling it's a little overrated.  Like you said the USGA has tied the knot there, so the tourneys will happen.  There are worse places to hold an Open.

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

1 hour ago, jjr said:

You heard it here 1st, Reed is as mentally tough as they come, he wins it by 3 @ -6.

 

He's looking good, for sure. His short game is excellent, and that's going to be crucial. 

As I'm watching in Japan, I'd like to see Matsuyama win, or, as I'm British, Rory.

I don't know how much Matsuyama was featured in the US broadcast, but obviously the Japanese one focused on him (and Ishikawa Ryo). Matsuyama shot a 1-under to finish at even par, but with better putting he could have gone much deeper. If--and it's a big "if"--his putter gets hot over the weekend, he has a very good chance. I think he's leading the field in fairways hit, and with this traditional US Open set-up, that's important. He put his accurate driving down to a shortened shaft, and also has swapped out the shaft. Still graphite design, but not the AD-DI. It looked like the AD-GP, but I'm not sure.

 

Incidentally, did anyone see this headline on the PGATOUR website. "Booted out" makes it sound like Phil and Tiger got riotously drunk and started cavorting on the top of the bar or something?

[drbonesvt]

10 minutes ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

He's looking good, for sure. His short game is excellent, and that's going to be crucial. 

As I'm watching in Japan, I'd like to see Matsuyama win, or, as I'm British, Rory.

I don't know how much Matsuyama was featured in the US broadcast, but obviously the Japanese one focused on him (and Ishikawa Ryo). Matsuyama shot a 1-under to finish at even par, but with better putting he could have gone much deeper. If--and it's a big "if"--his putter gets hot over the weekend, he has a very good chance. I think he's leading the field in fairways hit, and with this traditional US Open set-up, that's important. He put his accurate driving down to a shortened shaft, and also has swapped out the shaft. Still graphite design, but not the AD-DI. It looked like the AD-GP, but I'm not sure.

 

Incidentally, did anyone see this headline on the PGATOUR website. "Booted out" makes it sound like Phil and Tiger got riotously drunk and started cavorting on the top of the bar or something?

The way phil drove it , might as well been drunk 

[lefty1978]

Now that Tiger is out, I am rooting for a Reed and Bryson final...just to watch this board explode. Oh the whining that will happen. Its going to be great.

[JD3]

27 minutes ago, lefty1978 said:

Now that Tiger is out, I am rooting for a Reed and Bryson final...just to watch this board explode. Oh the whining that will happen. Its going to be great.

It became clear this is a right to left course as both dechambeau and reed favor that shape. The faders like Dustin and defending champ woodland had trouble both days, as did thomas today.  Tigers "safe shot" off the tee is also a cut which kept sliding into the rough. 

[3whacker]

3 hours ago, Greg_B said:

I agree with dumping Torrey. Never understood the USGA’s infatuation with it. Pebble is borderline too easy for these guys now but the presentation is lovely. I could do without Bethpage too, 2 NYC area courses are enough. If you want another west coast course for TV there are plenty of good ones to choose.  Olympic Club, Riviera, many others.  I would like to see some Midwest or Texas area courses considered too. 

WEATHER....it doesnt rain in June in San Diego, the course has the length they wanted and its a public venue. The USGA likes to promote the illusion that the National Open of the US is played at a venue that every man/woman can play, there are two course on the West Coast that are better than TP, the Bayonnet Course @ Fort Ord and La Purisma, but neither will ever get considered, even Pelican Hill is a better course that TP

[ThinkingPlus]

1 minute ago, 3whacker said:

WEATHER....it doesnt rain in June in San Diego, the course has the length they wanted and its a public venue. The USGA likes to promote the illusion that the National Open of the US is played at a venue that every man/woman can play, there are two course on the West Coast that are better than TP, the Bayonnet Course @ Fort Ord and La Purisma, but neither will ever get considered, even Pelican Hill is a better course that TP

Agree.  La Purisma is fantastic and Bayonnet can be brutal.

[Hack Daddy]

8 minutes ago, 3whacker said:

WEATHER....it doesnt rain in June in San Diego, the course has the length they wanted and its a public venue. The USGA likes to promote the illusion that the National Open of the US is played at a venue that every man/woman can play, there are two course on the West Coast that are better than TP, the Bayonnet Course @ Fort Ord and La Purisma, but neither will ever get considered, even Pelican Hill is a better course that TP

 

Agreed.

 

I have a residence card, so I only pay $64 for Torrey south. I still shudder paying that much. The course layout and difficulty is next to none. It just sits on the coast. To your point - technically yes, any man/woman/child can play; but at $240, it's a little non-inclusive...

 

Also...

 

REED! ?

[tiderider]

2 hours ago, Golf10 said:

 

Here are the only courses that I want to host an open.  I like Torrey but it's nowhere near Open caliber.  If they can get LACC again they should drop Torrey yesterday.

 

- Pebble

- LACC North

- Winged Foot West

- Shinnecock Hills

- Oakmont

- Pinehurst 2

- Merion

- Oakland Hills South as Midwest anchor (especially after Hanse's Ross restoration)

- The Country Club (Boston)

 

No offense to Southern Hills, Chambers, Erin Hills, Medinah, Inverness, Olympic, Congressional, Olympia Fields, Baltusrol, Hazeltine, Torrey, Cherry Hills, Oak Hill but they are just a smidge below in my book.  They are all great courses but a better fit for PGA championships IMO.  I like the US Open to be old school like me.

 

 

pretty sure lacc is one and done for a while ... what did davis say the other day, 7 courses or so? ... minus, the cc & lacc, that's your 7 ... i haven't heard/read if they put in sub air at oakland hills, but each one of those courses should go ahead and bite the bullet ... pebble had sub air last year, so i wonder if this is only the 2nd time a US Open was at a course with subair ... that afford a tremendous amount of control, i would think, in bringing it close to the edge, based on weather conditions ... 

[3whacker]

6 minutes ago, Hack Daddy said:

 

Agreed.

 

I have a residence card, so I only pay $64 for Torrey south. I still shudder paying that much. The course layout and difficulty is next to none. It just sits on the coast. To your point - technically yes, any man/woman/child can play; but at $240, it's a little non-inclusive...

 

Also...

 

REED! ?

I too used to be a resident back in the 90's and the rate was $45 with a card...No way would I consider or recommend someone paying $240, its not worth that, I will go play Carlton Oaks or Aviara for that kind of money

[munichop]

Living in AZ I know a major will never happen here.  But the idea that a country this size has a rota of six or seven courses is a little crazy.  Without saying it, the USGA is almost admitting that there are only a handful of courses long enough to challenge the pros. Their only other option is screwing up great tracks like Shinnecock so no one shoots -20. 
when 2/3 of the field can carry bunkers and doglegs that were supposed to create risk reward decisions the “test” is a lot easier to pass.

[grm24]

27 minutes ago, tiderider said:

i haven't heard/read if they put in sub air at oakland hills, but each one of those courses should go ahead and bite the bullet

 

The current Oakland Hills renovation had them installing a PrecisionAire system for their greens. Not sure how it compares to the Sub Air system other courses have installed.

[indianagolf2]

Sergio, mickelson..time to stop playing the majors. 

[Golf10]

1 hour ago, tiderider said:

pretty sure lacc is one and done for a while ... what did davis say the other day, 7 courses or so? ... minus, the cc & lacc, that's your 7 ... i haven't heard/read if they put in sub air at oakland hills, but each one of those courses should go ahead and bite the bullet ... pebble had sub air last year, so i wonder if this is only the 2nd time a US Open was at a course with subair ... that afford a tremendous amount of control, i would think, in bringing it close to the edge, based on weather conditions ... 

Bummer about LACC, such a great course but I get it from the membership perspective.  I just hope the USGA spares us Torrey for a while.

 

OH put in precision aire so they're good there.  They've been in the doghouse for a while so Hanse's work will help them out.  The restoration work looks great.  There's not much Jones left, almost pure Ross.  

 

As far as the anchors I believe Davis said Pebble, Pinehurst, Oakmont and probably Winged Foot.  Shinny probably doesn't want it as often.

[Golf10]

57 minutes ago, grm24 said:

 

The current Oakland Hills renovation had them installing a PrecisionAire system for their greens. Not sure how it compares to the Sub Air system other courses have installed.

 

I think it's the same as sub but you can also heat and cool the greens.

[Joe Smoeter]

6 hours ago, gvogel said:

After a day like today, it's tough to be a Rory fan....  but I'm still a Rory fan.

I have coined a new term. It is the Rshuffle. Can apply it to Rory or Rickie. The Rshuffle occurs the day after a good round, where they shuffle backwards out of contention. You can see it in their mannerisms during the round...so disappointing! Have both on my Fantasy team too .... urrrrrrr!!! 

[grm24]

7 hours ago, Greg_B said:

No pressure. No expectations. He had probably already lost his wager with JT. 

You're clueless. If it was that easy for touring professionals to post low scores with no pressure or expectations on them why don't all of the players that far back regularly post 60/61/62's in the second round to make the cut or in the last round to move up the leaderboard? Can't wait for your well thought out and nuanced reply. Enlighten us all.

[jmvargas]

this is still wide open..

I honestly feel the +1s or better still have chance depending onhow they do tomorrow..

 

my personal dark horse is Matsuyama..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mahonie]

4 hours ago, munichop said:

Living in AZ I know a major will never happen here.  But the idea that a country this size has a rota of six or seven courses is a little crazy.  Without saying it, the USGA is almost admitting that there are only a handful of courses long enough to challenge the pros. Their only other option is screwing up great tracks like Shinnecock so no one shoots -20. 
when 2/3 of the field can carry bunkers and doglegs that were supposed to create risk reward decisions the “test” is a lot easier to pass.

 

I think what the USGA may be saying is leave the mediocre courses to the PGA Tour (e.g. anything with TPC in the name) and we can work with some elite courses that are a proper test of golf.

[KennyP]

Can't see Bryson's attack, attack, attack strategy working over the weekend, but it will be fun watching.

[80sFredriksson]

Watch Jon Rambo change gears on the weekend, you heard it here first

[Jay28]

I think PAR will be the winning score.

Anyone who made the cut is still right in the tournament.

[Lark]

5 hours ago, Golf10 said:

Bummer about LACC, such a great course but I get it from the membership perspective.  I just hope the USGA spares us Torrey for a while.

 

OH put in precision aire so they're good there.  They've been in the doghouse for a while so Hanse's work will help them out.  The restoration work looks great.  There's not much Jones left, almost pure Ross.  

 

As far as the anchors I believe Davis said Pebble, Pinehurst, Oakmont and probably Winged Foot.  Shinny probably doesn't want it as often.

I doubt Winged Foot wants it every seven years either. Torrey works not because of the quality of the course, which isn’t anything special, but because of the infrastructure, the ability to make it tough, the location, and the TV views.  I agree it really shouldn’t be in a rotation because the course just isn’t an elite level layout like the others. 

[the bishop]

7 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Agree.  La Purisma is fantastic and Bayonnet can be brutal.

Haven't played La Purisima but played Bayonnet again on a recent biz trip to the Bay Area.  Just an awesome, awesome test of golf.  It's hard, but a fun hard that as soon as you're done you just want to go play it again.  Blackhorse isn't that far behind either.

[leezer99]

15 hours ago, Yellow Jacket said:

I think David Duval is the best of the analysts but I can see NBC saying he's not as good on camera, too cerebral for the audience.

 

They just need to balance him out with Rich Beem.  

[BLS]

Harris English at +2.

[Greg_B]

6 hours ago, grm24 said:

You're clueless. If it was that easy for touring professionals to post low scores with no pressure or expectations on them why don't all of the players that far back regularly post 60/61/62's in the second round to make the cut or in the last round to move up the leaderboard? Can't wait for your well thought out and nuanced reply. Enlighten us all.

 

Making the cut or not is the epitome of pressure, my friend. So forget that.

 

How many times have you gone into a round playing well in your last few and with expectations of that continuing with this one, only to have it all fall apart? That has happened to most of us at one time or another. It seems though that when it happens and you've finally given up even trying on the day, you hit a few good shots and score well on the last hole or two. Not at all unusual.

[Kilo1545]

20 minutes ago, Greg_B said:

 

Making the cut or not is the epitome of pressure, my friend. So forget that.

 

How many times have you gone into a round playing well in your last few and with expectations of that continuing with this one, only to have it all fall apart? That has happened to most of us at one time or another. It seems though that when it happens and you've finally given up even trying on the day, you hit a few good shots and score well on the last hole or two. Not at all unusual.

Exactly.  I would think being "that far back" after 1 round and needing to really go low on Friday to make the cut would be more pressure, not less.  Also, playing better when you've checked out for the day isn't unheard of.  You're relaxed, not overthinking everything (which was likely your issue to begin with), and just letting it swing.   

 

 

[gvogel]

10 hours ago, JD3 said:

It became clear this is a right to left course as both dechambeau and reed favor that shape. The faders like Dustin and defending champ woodland had trouble both days, as did thomas today.  Tigers "safe shot" off the tee is also a cut which kept sliding into the rough. 

So what you are saying is that Rory should be able to play effectively, with a 3-wood?