I’m Done With Fat Bottom Girls

[Carolina Golfer 2]

Of course I’m talking about wide sole irons...what did you think i meant ?

 

I’ve struggled a lot this summer with making clean crisp contact with my irons—T300 and MAVRIK. 
 

Today our instructor had his demo bag on the range and I stopped by with the new Big Bertha B21 demo set that just came in.  

I had taken my MAVRIK 7 iron down with the intention of getting some Trackman numbers.   I hit mine just Meh!!  Tried a steel and graphite BB B21 and it was chunk city with them.  Not a good shot in the bunch.  
 

i went to put them in his bag and noticed an I500.   I jokingly said to him “wow here’s an iron I’ve never hit”   As our resident club ho he couldn’t believe it. 

 

Well a few swings later I couldn’t believe it.  I was hitting crisp shot after crisp shot, most with a bit of a draw.  The numbers were pretty impressive for me.   I was getting 135’ish carry, spin a bit shy of 5,000 height of 68 to 71 feet. 
 

While those aren’t WRX worthy numbers, and I’m nit trying to say this is a “blades me better post” as these aren’t blades. But, the smash factor snd the feel of contact were so much better. 
 

Our instructor said, your swing has changed a bit.  You are getting a bit more of a shoulder turn than you did prior, you your angle of attack is a bit steeper and those big soles are killer on that.
 

it seems to me i was able to make mostly  ball first contact easier with these heads.  I realize a good swing should make ball first contact with any style of club.  But it appears these allow me a bit of a margin for error. 
 

As luck would have it, i have some irons on the way that fit that style more than either of these. 
 

Does this make sense?

Edited September 12, 2020 by Carolina Golfer 2

[jpbova]

I have heard TXG say thin soles for sweepers.  Interesting that you would get steeper and need a thinner sole

[ChaosTheory]

People should pay more attention to soles and turf interaction.  You're on your way.  Big soles are first and foremost meant to resist digging on fat hits by players with a steep outside in swing.

I'm a sweeper and rarely hit fat.  Big soles are horrid for me.

Edited September 12, 2020 by Snowman9000

[cgasucks]

For me, I try to put as much shaft lean on impact as possible which ensures a shallower angle of attack and my swing is universally compatible with all types of irons, regardless of sole width.

[RainShadow]

Best sole grind in irons for me ever were the Adams A4 Forged. CB2's were a close second.

2014 Apex from Callaway were pretty god to me as well.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

3 hours ago, jpbova said:

I have heard TXG say thin soles for sweepers.  Interesting that you would get steeper and need a thinner sole

Yeah. I was actually fit by Ian two years ago and he took me out of the 790s and put me in 565 for that very reason. 
 

i also should have been more clear.  The biggest chsnge in my swing has been path.  From out go in, to coming from the inside or st worst 1 degree out to in versus previously 6 to 8 out to in.  
 

and the steepness is more of a shoulder tilt versus a flat shoulder turn previously. 

[Tommyj]

Fat bottom girls make the rockin' world go 'round.  That was Freddie's opinion.

[caniac6]

Of course it makes sense! You always hit clubs you like after placing an order.

[HateTheHighDraw]

Not sure here. I have the T300s and find the turf interaction to be phenomenal, on par with much thinner soles. They have a ton of camber and a pre-worn leading edge. 

[Wooderson]

I've went back and forth on this very topic so many times. Thought I was good enough for p790 and i210s. Hit 25% GIRs.  Threw g410s back in the bag and hit 10 greens last round.  Fat bottom girls for life for me...I think. 

[tbowles411]

On 9/11/2020 at 10:50 PM, Carolina Golfer 2 said:

Of course I’m talking about wide sole irons...what did you think i meant ?

 

I’ve struggled a lot this summer with making clean crisp contact with my irons—T300 and MAVRIK. 
 

Today our instructor had his demo bag on the range and I stopped by with the new Big Bertha B21 demo set that just came in.  

I had taken my MAVRIK 7 iron down with the intention of getting some Trackman numbers.   I hit mine just Meh!!  Tried a steel and graphite BB B21 and it was chunk city with them.  Not a good shot in the bunch.  
 

i went to put them in his bag and noticed an I500.   I jokingly said to him “wow here’s an iron I’ve never hit”   As our resident club ho he couldn’t believe it. 

 

Well a few swings later I couldn’t believe it.  I was hitting crisp shot after crisp shot, most with a bit of a draw.  The numbers were pretty impressive for me.   I was getting 135’ish carry, spin a bit shy of 5,000 height of 68 to 71 feet. 
 

While those aren’t WRX worthy numbers, and I’m nit trying to say this is a “blades me better post” as these aren’t blades. But, the smash factor snd the feel of contact were so much better. 
 

Our instructor said, your swing has changed a bit.  You are getting a bit more of a shoulder turn than you did prior, you your angle of attack is a bit steeper and those big soles are killer on that.
 

it seems to me i was able to make mostly  ball first contact easier with these heads.  I realize a good swing should make ball first contact with any style of club.  But it appears these allow me a bit of a margin for error. 
 

As luck would have it, i have some irons on the way that fit that style more than either of these. 
 

Does this make sense?

I don't even know who you are anymore...  ?

 

I'm totally going fat bottomed, with my steep swing and all.  B21's for me!

[grm24]

10 hours ago, Tommyj said:

Fat bottom girls make the rockin' world go 'round.  That was Freddie's opinion.

 

To digress a bit..... Freddie's "opinion" was actually Brian May's as May wrote FBG.  ?

 

Back on topic...... Don't overthink it. Always play what works for you. Blades, shovels, whatever.  

Edited September 13, 2020 by grm24

[GBBM]

$10 says the lie angle was upright on the Ping. 

[iNeedMoreGolf]

I like to chunk it chunk it...

[jomatty]

For me the i500’s are perfect.  Plenty of forgiveness but good turf interaction.  I hit them much more consistently than the m2’s I had before them, and I attribute that almost completely to the thinner sole,

[BYK]

20 hours ago, RainShadow said:

Best sole grind in irons for me ever were the Adams A4 Forged. CB2's were a close second.

2014 Apex from Callaway were pretty god to me as well.

The 2014 apex sole grind has been great to me too

still have them in the bag

[Red4282]

23 hours ago, jpbova said:

I have heard TXG say thin soles for sweepers.  Interesting that you would get steeper and need a thinner sole

They are correct for the most part. Look at any iron progression, short irons have then thinnest soles, long irons thicker, but bounce has a significant role as well.

[ode]

2 hours ago, Red4282 said:

They are correct for the most part. Look at any iron progression, short irons have then thinnest soles, long irons thicker, but bounce has a significant role as well.

I don't believe this is true....the long irons have always looked to have narrower soles vs. the short irons.....in a set that is.  stand alone wedges likely to have a narrower sole but if you compared 50* to 60* I think you'd find the same thing (considering the same grind).  I always wondered why a 3i was so tiny compared to a scoring iron in the same set.  I realize the loft angle is the main culprit.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

10 hours ago, tbowles411 said:

I don't even know who you are anymore...  ?

 

I'm totally going fat bottomed, with my steep swing and all.  B21's for me!

TB!! I couldn’t hit those to save my life. I’d chunk three in a row and go back to the I500 snd crisp as a brand new $20 bill! 
 

They were all the same length.  We shall see when my Titleist arrive! 

[Carolina Golfer 2]

9 hours ago, GBBM said:

$10 says the lie angle was upright on the Ping. 

It was black dot.  I think thats stock isn’t it?

[MuskieCy]

10 hours ago, grm24 said:

 

To digress a bit..... Freddie's "opinion" was actually Brian May's as May wrote FBG.  ?

 

Back on topic...... Don't overthink it. Always play what works for you. Blades, shovels, whatever.  

Freddie was more interested in fat bottomed boys.

[pinestreetgolf]

On 9/11/2020 at 9:50 PM, Carolina Golfer 2 said:

Of course I’m talking about wide sole irons...what did you think i meant ?

 

I’ve struggled a lot this summer with making clean crisp contact with my irons—T300 and MAVRIK. 
 

Today our instructor had his demo bag on the range and I stopped by with the new Big Bertha B21 demo set that just came in.  

I had taken my MAVRIK 7 iron down with the intention of getting some Trackman numbers.   I hit mine just Meh!!  Tried a steel and graphite BB B21 and it was chunk city with them.  Not a good shot in the bunch.  
 

i went to put them in his bag and noticed an I500.   I jokingly said to him “wow here’s an iron I’ve never hit”   As our resident club ho he couldn’t believe it. 

 

Well a few swings later I couldn’t believe it.  I was hitting crisp shot after crisp shot, most with a bit of a draw.  The numbers were pretty impressive for me.   I was getting 135’ish carry, spin a bit shy of 5,000 height of 68 to 71 feet. 
 

While those aren’t WRX worthy numbers, and I’m nit trying to say this is a “blades me better post” as these aren’t blades. But, the smash factor snd the feel of contact were so much better. 
 

Our instructor said, your swing has changed a bit.  You are getting a bit more of a shoulder turn than you did prior, you your angle of attack is a bit steeper and those big soles are killer on that.
 

it seems to me i was able to make mostly  ball first contact easier with these heads.  I realize a good swing should make ball first contact with any style of club.  But it appears these allow me a bit of a margin for error. 
 

As luck would have it, i have some irons on the way that fit that style more than either of these. 
 

Does this make sense?

 

If you flip coin one a bunch and coin two a bunch and there are a lot of heads in coin two,  it doesn't mean coin two is meaningfully different.  It means you happened to have good swings while holding that coin (club).

 

One session, amateur golfer, silly explanation and an instructor who claims they can see a "bit more shoulder turn" with his naked eye.  I note that he only said that *after* you had the results you did, he didn't predict it.  Predicting it is impressive.  Explaining it away after the fact with golf hokum talk isn't impressive.

 

No, it doesn't make sense.  You hit the good ones with one club in your hand and the bad ones with another.  Club may or may not have something to do with that, and probably not.  Always remember that a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

Do it another 10-15 times and maybe we can maybe start to think about it being the club.

[Carolina Golfer 2]

37 minutes ago, pinestreetgolf said:

 

If you flip coin one a bunch and coin two a bunch and there are a lot of heads in coin two,  it doesn't mean coin two is meaningfully different.  It means you happened to have good swings while holding that coin (club).

 

One session, amateur golfer, silly explanation and an instructor who claims they can see a "bit more shoulder turn" with his naked eye.  I note that he only said that *after* you had the results you did, he didn't predict it.  Predicting it is impressive.  Explaining it away after the fact with golf hokum talk isn't impressive.

 

No, it doesn't make sense.  You hit the good ones with one club in your hand and the bad ones with another.  Club may or may not have something to do with that, and probably not.  Always remember that a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

Do it another 10-15 times and maybe we can maybe start to think about it being the club.

Well it was more than one or two swings. Pretty much two buckets if balls.  And this is an instructor that ive worked with off an on for more than a year.  With video as well, so its not a nakes eye, although he’s pretty good with that as well.  The comment wasnt an after the fact thing, its something that goes back since we had our first lesson.  Its just been slow in my coming around.  
 

But all comments are welcomed and considered, even the ones with a condescending tone.  

[GBBM]

12 hours ago, Carolina Golfer 2 said:

It was black dot.  I think thats stock isn’t it?

yeah not sure how their standard translates to other companies but shorter blade length might also be a key factor. A lot of steep players have high hands at impact which leads to a toe-down situation which also has a lot to do with shaft loading  

[MattyO1984]

Thin soles for the win! I would class myself as more of a digger than a sweeper but I just can’t work chunky irons. Off the deck give me a old school 3 iron and whilst it might not go as far as some kind of Utility Iron, I am actually going to hit it properly and make good contact.

[driveandputtmachine]

Turf interaction is the most underrated part of fitting.  That's why I prefer my local GolfTec to club champion if I am looking to check out irons.  They are on a range where grass is available vs. club champion is off a mat no matter what.

 

I WAS very steep, with a wrist issue I have been forced after surgery to change up my swing.  Going through major growing pains right now, but what used to fit me in the irons does not anymore as far as turf interaction.

 

No one rule is correct.  Not all steep folks need or can hit a wide sole or thin sole.  Anyone who speaks in absolutes is a Sith Lord and gueeing.  (Reference for all the star wars fans)  Back to being serious though, for me it is all about the leading edge, and always has been.  I was very steep, I played MP-14's, Clevel TA1 and TA3, Bridgestone J33, 36, and 40CB, Srixon 745 and 765.  I started working on shallower swings and smaller divots, and tried going with wider soles, and it has not been a great experiment thus far.  The SUB70 639 and 699 pro have good turf interaction for my move so far, but plan to do more testing.

[tbowles411]

20 hours ago, Carolina Golfer 2 said:

TB!! I couldn’t hit those to save my life. I’d chunk three in a row and go back to the I500 snd crisp as a brand new $20 bill! 
 

They were all the same length.  We shall see when my Titleist arrive! 

See that concerns me.  I hit the old Raxr XF's and they were HUGE.  I loved them.  It was like cheating.  That was also almost 10 years ago and the swing has changed and gotten steeper.  I want all the promised forgiveness, but I don't want to start chunking anything.

[NRJyzr]

45 minutes ago, driveandputtmachine said:

Turf interaction is the most underrated part of fitting.  That's why I prefer my local GolfTec to club champion if I am looking to check out irons.  They are on a range where grass is available vs. club champion is off a mat no matter what.

 

I WAS very steep, with a wrist issue I have been forced after surgery to change up my swing.  Going through major growing pains right now, but what used to fit me in the irons does not anymore as far as turf interaction.

 

No one rule is correct.  Not all steep folks need or can hit a wide sole or thin sole.  Anyone who speaks in absolutes is a Sith Lord and gueeing.  (Reference for all the star wars fans)  Back to being serious though, for me it is all about the leading edge, and always has been.  I was very steep, I played MP-14's, Clevel TA1 and TA3, Bridgestone J33, 36, and 40CB, Srixon 745 and 765.  I started working on shallower swings and smaller divots, and tried going with wider soles, and it has not been a great experiment thus far.  The SUB70 639 and 699 pro have good turf interaction for my move so far, but plan to do more testing.

 

Giving you a like and a quote for the Sith reference   ?

[Carolina Golfer 2]

3 hours ago, tbowles411 said:

See that concerns me.  I hit the old Raxr XF's and they were HUGE.  I loved them.  It was like cheating.  That was also almost 10 years ago and the swing has changed and gotten steeper.  I want all the promised forgiveness, but I don't want to start chunking anything.

Well, I wouldn't be too concerned based on my experience or results, I'm certainly no model for anyone ?

 

I think driveandputtmachine, is spot on when he says there is no one rule to follow, everyone's swing is going to work in different ways often with the same club.   They--meaning the B21 sure do look like they can hit it mile with good contact.  

[tbowles411]

1 hour ago, Carolina Golfer 2 said:

Well, I wouldn't be too concerned based on my experience or results, I'm certainly no model for anyone ?

 

I think driveandputtmachine, is spot on when he says there is no one rule to follow, everyone's swing is going to work in different ways often with the same club.   They--meaning the B21 sure do look like they can hit it mile with good contact.  

You are definitely my hero!  LOL

 

What's funny is the only reason I'm switching is that PING can't seem to fill my order.  I'm not playing nearly as much and am at the "have fun" stage of my career.