Callaway Golf Mack Daddy CBX... I mean CB Wedge

[QuigleyDU]

Ever wonder what a Cleveland CBX wedge would look like if Callaway made it? Pretty much an exact rip off. 

 

 

https://www.callawaygolf.com/golf-clubs/wedges/wedges-2021-mack-daddy-cb.html

 

 

[Konklifer]

Definitely similar. I prefer the looks of the Cally.

[av1084]

Not a Callaway fan at all but I actually do like these.

[ASN21]

Good idea for Callaway to copy Cleveland. The CBX wedges are pretty legit. I am sure Roger Cleveland was enthused to do this.

[tbowles411]

Imitation is the best flattery.  I actually like the look of these.

[TheMoneyShot]

I prefer callys version looks wise but I probably would not put it in the bag.  

[getair23]

I'm going to hold out for the PM 21' Grind.  

[tbowles411]

2 minutes ago, TheMoneyShot said:

I prefer callys version looks wise but I probably would not put it in the bag.  

Well, you're all fancy and everything! LOL

[TheMoneyShot]

5 minutes ago, tbowles411 said:

Well, you're all fancy and everything! LOL

Nah, I’m just a PM grind/Hi Toe fan in the looks category. 

[TheMoneyShot]

7 minutes ago, getair23 said:

I'm going to hold out for the PM 21' Grind.  

I hope we see something new in 21...

[madaboutgolf]

yes look more than ok ..

[Konklifer]

It would actually make a nice looking iron design.

[orbless]

that's pretty ugly

[martinbns]

I switched to a CBX last year as my primary chipping club and it's awesome.  

 

This is a total rip off

[CasualLie]

I'm not getting this trend.  I can see a CB Gap wedge being helpful and needed forgiveness for some; but a CB 56/60??? I'll give a pass to those who just like the looks, but if you need this level of forgiveness around the green by having a CB, maybe golf just isn't your game so keep playing, but don't bother buying new clubs.

[Lemonde]

I like the design although cant definitively tell if there is offset or not? 

[xkilgorextroutx]

Got the CBX2 in the bag now and don't see any reason to switch out of them, TBH.

[Mookieb10]

12 hours ago, CasualLie said:

I'm not getting this trend.  I can see a CB Gap wedge being helpful and needed forgiveness for some; but a CB 56/60??? I'll give a pass to those who just like the looks, but if you need this level of forgiveness around the green by having a CB, maybe golf just isn't your game so keep playing, but don't bother buying new clubs.

With all due respect, which is genuinely hard to convey over a keyboard, I think your take is beyond arrogant.

 

first, My father is a dreadful golfer, but the 6-7 times a year we get out to play is something I’ll hold onto forever. The Friday morning rounds I played with my gramps, I can almost reach out and touch the mornings. Golf is far, far more than being a good golfer. What other physical pursuit could I, 23 at the time, do with my 78 year old grandfather, or my 31 year old self play with my overweight father? I’m not this romantic about the game, but man oh man, I wouldn’t give that up for anything. Doesn’t matter how good or bad they are/were. 
 

 Second, on a more practical note, I would certainly try one of these. While I don’t love the idea of at lob wedge coming out super hot, I do swipe a lot of balls far toe side. I’m a 7 hdc, not great, but certainly not bad enough for someone to decry that I should find another pursuit. I found the CBX2 50* to be very accurate. i would think more than enough solid players would find this perimiter weighted lob wedge to be helpful. 

[AdamStoutjesdyk]

Wow. That’s bad....

[tbowles411]

12 hours ago, CasualLie said:

I'm not getting this trend.  I can see a CB Gap wedge being helpful and needed forgiveness for some; but a CB 56/60??? I'll give a pass to those who just like the looks, but if you need this level of forgiveness around the green by having a CB, maybe golf just isn't your game so keep playing, but don't bother buying new clubs.

The game is for everyone at all levels.  If cavity backs gets or keeps someone in the game, so be it.

[MaineMariner]

It looks like it comes standard with a longer grip, like the Ping wedges. I really like the grip on my Ping Glide 3.0, so that would be a nice thing.

 

And there is obviously a place for cavity back wedges. The three guys I play with (handicaps in the 15-20ish range) all use ancient cavity back sand wedges and would definitely benefit from something like this. Personally, I see the appeal in having one for any wedge that I would take full swings with, which for me would be my gap and sand wedge. So long as the turf interaction is good enough around the green, why not?

[CasualLie]

All I am saying is the game survived for decades for all levels of golfers using a 56* without a cavity back.  I clearly started, I get it for gap wedge.  This new trend is manufacturing a problem that does not really exist.  Seriously, if you are a bad chipper will a CB fix that?  No way.  I am not suggesting anyone with a high handicap quit, I am saying save your money, spend it on something more useful, which would be just about anything - even ice cream.  Notice, the OEMs had big clunky matching SWs to complement your set, so both ends are covered, why the CB?  As pointed out by others, it’s a Cally copycat trying to grind more money.  If someone really wanted to get forgiving, go buy the most classic sand wedge of all time - the Ping from way back in the day.

 

 

[RacineBoxer]

Not a huge fan of the looks of it but a big fan that companies are offering golfers more options for their short game. While this does look like a copy cat of the Cleveland CBX I would also note that Ping's Glide 3.0 also attempted to give players a smidge more cavity and make the specialty wedges transition into the iron set a bit easier by reducing the overall weight of the club. Again, I think these are nice options to have. 

[dhen9]

This trend totally makes sense in conjunction with the modern iron set in the game. I like to think of my wedges as an extension of the set on the bottom end of the bag. If a full swing P goes "x" and full swing G usually a 48-50° flies "y" then I want my 52-54 and my 56 as well as my 60 to fly the anticipated distance for a full swing and so on. Now I just have to find that 50 yd and in shot and manufacture a predetermined 1/4, 1/2 or 3/4 swing. The average golfer doesn't want to or doesn't care to practice flighting wedges for a particular trajectory and spin combo. Full swing requires full forgiveness. WRX is not full of avg golfers however the marketplace is. 

[Yzmerf]

21 hours ago, CasualLie said:

I'm not getting this trend.  I can see a CB Gap wedge being helpful and needed forgiveness for some; but a CB 56/60??? I'll give a pass to those who just like the looks, but if you need this level of forgiveness around the green by having a CB, maybe golf just isn't your game so keep playing, but don't bother buying new clubs.

You do realize the basis for this wedge, one of the most popular in history, was a cavity back right?

[dmeeksDC]

14 hours ago, xkilgorextroutx said:

Got the CBX2 in the bag now and don't see any reason to switch out of them, TBH.

Yeah, I agree, and I don’t think handicap has much to do with liking these clubs. Try ‘em and see. They perform very well. I tried a 58 and it was so good. Can hit any shot. Several rounds with it in the bag and numerous kick-ins after approaches from 75 yards and in. CBX2 is better than the original CBX, more refined. Looks like a regular wedge from address and yet has the forgiveness, glides through the ball. Makes sense Callaway made a version. They did have the Sure Out and Sure Out 2, but those were some serious shovels. 

[Lemonde]

8 hours ago, dhen9 said:

This trend totally makes sense in conjunction with the modern iron set in the game. I like to think of my wedges as an extension of the set on the bottom end of the bag. If a full swing P goes "x" and full swing G usually a 48-50° flies "y" then I want my 52-54 and my 56 as well as my 60 to fly the anticipated distance for a full swing and so on. Now I just have to find that 50 yd and in shot and manufacture a predetermined 1/4, 1/2 or 3/4 swing. The average golfer doesn't want to or doesn't care to practice flighting wedges for a particular trajectory and spin combo. Full swing requires full forgiveness. WRX is not full of avg golfers however the marketplace is. 

I had the Eye 2 lob wedge  “shovel” for many years in my youth. It was a flop shot machine.  

Edited September 17, 2020 by Lemonde

[tbowles411]

16 hours ago, CasualLie said:

All I am saying is the game survived for decades for all levels of golfers using a 56* without a cavity back.  I clearly started, I get it for gap wedge.  This new trend is manufacturing a problem that does not really exist.  Seriously, if you are a bad chipper will a CB fix that?  No way.  I am not suggesting anyone with a high handicap quit, I am saying save your money, spend it on something more useful, which would be just about anything - even ice cream.  Notice, the OEMs had big clunky matching SWs to complement your set, so both ends are covered, why the CB?  As pointed out by others, it’s a Cally copycat trying to grind more money.  If someone really wanted to get forgiving, go buy the most classic sand wedge of all time - the Ping from way back in the day.

 

 

I get it, but here's another perspective:

 

Many of our customers are players.  They can use anything.  But when you bust past the 20+ handicappers, short game becomes a real issue.  The big chunky SW that comes say with the BB21 iron set or the Cleveland HB Launchers doesn't provide the level of spin to get the ball to stop consistently.  Up and out, it does great because it relies on height and will provide SOME spin.  It's a one trick pony.  The Cleveland CBX was and is outstanding.  It provides a larger and hollow head (and wider sole) that provides the forgiveness that a cavity back provides.  ALL of the golfers we fit for these love the help and the ability to stop the ball.  It's an option to the blade wedge which many people simply can't hit well.  And if you're a recreational player?  Forget it.  They're struggling.

 

OEMs are providing options for everyone that plays at all levels.  Sure it's sales, but if there were no market for it, they wouldn't make them.  No one is willingly going to lose money on an idea without research.  You used PING as an example.  The current Glide 3.0 incorporates somewhat of a cavity.  They said under no uncertain terms it's to make the wedge more forgiving and it's even played on tour by some golfers.  That wedge's grooves will stop the ball on a dime.  It so happens now, Callaway has realized that they're missing out so they made one.  Personally, we were surprised they didn't come out with one sooner with TaylorMade, Cleveland and PING leading the way.  You can't have Callaway players, putting a Cleveland CBX in the bag can we?  That's capitalism for you.  Make it and people will buy it (a la the Perfect wedge or the wedge that Aaron Oberholser is hocking).  But they work and people are using them with success if you don't mind a no-name in your bag.

 

People are looking for success when they play and that's the very reason cavity backs were created.  Forgiveness to play this hard game.  If folks are able to play blades and 60 degree wedges with 4 degrees of bounce, that's awesome, but that's not where the majority of golfers reside.  All of us play this game for fun and most of us can't use blade anything.  So I'm cool with anyone using anything that can help them get the ball in the hole as fast as possible, even if it's a bag full of hybrids.  So if a CB wedge helps them play bogey golf, I'm all for it.

 

 

[Jarlaxle]

The primary benefit of this style of wedge is that players can just set up square and hit it without having to open up the face or otherwise manipulate the club.  I play with a high handicap buddy every week who really struggles inside 50 yards and I'd love to put one of these (or a CBX) in his hands to see what would happen. Probably save him 2 or 3 shots a round. 

[CasualLie]

3 hours ago, tbowles411 said:

I get it, but here's another perspective:

 

Many of our customers are players.  They can use anything.  But when you bust past the 20+ handicappers, short game becomes a real issue.  The big chunky SW that comes say with the BB21 iron set or the Cleveland HB Launchers doesn't provide the level of spin to get the ball to stop consistently.  Up and out, it does great because it relies on height and will provide SOME spin.  It's a one trick pony.  The Cleveland CBX was and is outstanding.  It provides a larger and hollow head (and wider sole) that provides the forgiveness that a cavity back provides.  ALL of the golfers we fit for these love the help and the ability to stop the ball.  It's an option to the blade wedge which many people simply can't hit well.  And if you're a recreational player?  Forget it.  They're struggling.

 

OEMs are providing options for everyone that plays at all levels.  Sure it's sales, but if there were no market for it, they wouldn't make them.  No one is willingly going to lose money on an idea without research.  You used PING as an example.  The current Glide 3.0 incorporates somewhat of a cavity.  They said under no uncertain terms it's to make the wedge more forgiving and it's even played on tour by some golfers.  That wedge's grooves will stop the ball on a dime.  It so happens now, Callaway has realized that they're missing out so they made one.  Personally, we were surprised they didn't come out with one sooner with TaylorMade, Cleveland and PING leading the way.  You can't have Callaway players, putting a Cleveland CBX in the bag can we?  That's capitalism for you.  Make it and people will buy it (a la the Perfect wedge or the wedge that Aaron Oberholser is hocking).  But they work and people are using them with success if you don't mind a no-name in your bag.

 

People are looking for success when they play and that's the very reason cavity backs were created.  Forgiveness to play this hard game.  If folks are able to play blades and 60 degree wedges with 4 degrees of bounce, that's awesome, but that's not where the majority of golfers reside.  All of us play this game for fun and most of us can't use blade anything.  So I'm cool with anyone using anything that can help them get the ball in the hole as fast as possible, even if it's a bag full of hybrids.  So if a CB wedge helps them play bogey golf, I'm all for it.

 

 

 

Onboard with everything you are saying.  No argument from me.

 

But I am curious, didn’t Callaway address some of these issues with the Sure Out wedge?  A friend of mine meets the profile you describe above; really struggled on the short side chips from the rough and bunkers.  So he gets the Sure Out.  It changes his game a bit, I wouldn’t say dramatic, but no more of the bladed skulls.  So that was good.  But then a few weeks later he gets rid of the club and I ask why would you do that?  And he says the Sure Out is too clunky from the fairway, can’t hit the 60-80 yard shots as well as he was before.  I reply “as well? What does that mean?  Like 60 yards from the fairway you were super accurate and now you are not???  How many of those shots do you have vs the number of times you miss the green and are in the rough or bunker???”  All he can say is, it just doesn’t feel well on full swing, he likes his MD4 60*.  

 

So does this new offering attempt to bridge the so called extremes, need forgiveness on the short green side shots and spin, but also need to feel comfortable on the full swing from the fairway?