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20 hours ago, 4x4GGG said:

You can see my plug and bounce back mark. With permission I rolled my ball out of what ever this little swail was to where you see it now. Pics don't do it justice. I shot a bogey on this hole after the roll and that's the score I recorded... lol. 

 

 

Was the bogey before or after you added on the 2 penalty strokes you incurred?

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I agree with the general tenor here. This complaint seems ridiculous. I've played courses where that spot in the swale would be the best lie you got all day. 

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I was really curious what the replies would be hoping that some one would ask about the course conditions. With the drain pipe right there and the 14 inches of rain last month and 3 so far this month, that lump was quite artificial. If you stepped on the lump part the low part would come up. Basically floating turf. Any pure strike could have ripped up a foot of sod from the low point. There's low and high cut grass from where the mower is moving the sod as the turf waves under the weight of the mower. While the lie was quite odd to hit a 200+ yard shot out of, I've hit from way worse. In a casual round I'd much rather roll a ball 6 inches over than rip a bath mat sized hole in the fairway. I preempted this post in another thread, and guessed the replies appropriately. 

I've already stated my true feelings about improved lies. For some reason it's OK to lift clean and place in a bunker that hasn't been raked (covid rules) but hit a drive right to where you want in the fairway and have to play out of a divot? None of that makes sense to me. No more bunker rakes and allow rolling from defects in the fairway. But that's my $.02. 

 

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4 minutes ago, 4x4GGG said:

I was really curious what the replies would be hoping that some one would ask about the course conditions. With the drain pipe right there and the 14 inches of rain last month and 3 so far this month, that lump was quite artificial. If you stepped on the lump part the low part would come up. Basically floating turf. Any pure strike could have ripped up a foot of sod from the low point. There's low and high cut grass from where the mower is moving the sod as the turf waves under the weight of the mower. While the lie was quite odd to hit a 200+ yard shot out of, I've hit from way worse. In a casual round I'd much rather roll a ball 6 inches over than rip a bath mat sized hole in the fairway. I preempted this post in another thread, and guessed the replies appropriately. 

I've already stated my true feelings about improved lies. For some reason it's OK to lift clean and place in a bunker that hasn't been raked (covid rules) but hit a drive right to where you want in the fairway and have to play out of a divot? None of that makes sense to me. No more bunker rakes and allow rolling from defects in the fairway. But that's my $.02. 

 

 

How does your sense of entitlement feel when you smoke one into the trees and it surprisingly comes flying back out into the fairway? Surely it would "make sense" to pick it and without penalty hike it back into the woods and drop into a pile of sticks and leaves. 🙂

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35 minutes ago, sui generis said:

 

How does your sense of entitlement feel when you smoke one into the trees and it surprisingly comes flying back out into the fairway? Surely it would "make sense" to pick it and without penalty hike it back into the woods and drop into a pile of sticks and leaves. 🙂

We can ask about a Flying spaghetti monster hovering over a pond and tossing my wet ball back on the fairway, too I guess. If I catch a sprinkler head in the fairway that puts me in a creek on the best tee shot of my life then the outcome is what it is. A ball that comes to rest in the intended line of play deserves to be a shot as intended. If I rip a 300 yard drive down a fairway that has water at 280 yards then I'm at fault. If I hit to a 5x5 yard patch of grass that leaves me a shot between 2 trees leaving me a 180 yard shot at a par five in 2 but my ball goes 18 inches into a gopher hole and my friend, who's competing for an Extra Value Meal from McDonalds tells me "Play it as it lies, Bro!" then I'm allowed to protest raking hazards. 

I believe in the rules of golf and constantly fight to preserve them, but also think it's OK to play like you're a pro playing a practice round as long as there are no additional consequences (Handicap, course destruction, equipment destruction, bodily harm.. etc). If I had hot that shot as it was I would have taken up a full bear skin rug with it. 

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1 hour ago, 4x4GGG said:

We can ask about a Flying spaghetti monster hovering over a pond and tossing my wet ball back on the fairway, too I guess. If I catch a sprinkler head in the fairway that puts me in a creek on the best tee shot of my life then the outcome is what it is. A ball that comes to rest in the intended line of play deserves to be a shot as intended. If I rip a 300 yard drive down a fairway that has water at 280 yards then I'm at fault. If I hit to a 5x5 yard patch of grass that leaves me a shot between 2 trees leaving me a 180 yard shot at a par five in 2 but my ball goes 18 inches into a gopher hole and my friend, who's competing for an Extra Value Meal from McDonalds tells me "Play it as it lies, Bro!" then I'm allowed to protest raking hazards. 

I believe in the rules of golf and constantly fight to preserve them, but also think it's OK to play like you're a pro playing a practice round as long as there are no additional consequences (Handicap, course destruction, equipment destruction, bodily harm.. etc). If I had hot that shot as it was I would have taken up a full bear skin rug with it. 

How big a divot can you take with an iron in one swing?  I doubt that it's as large as you have proclaimed!

Please, just play on according to the Rules.

You shouldn't come to a Rules of golf forum seeking justification for your Rules breaches and be surprised when there is none given!

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3 minutes ago, rogolf said:

How big a divot can you take with an iron in one swing?  I doubt that it's as large as you have proclaimed!

Please, just play on according to the Rules.

You shouldn't come to a Rules of golf forum seeking justification for your Rules breaches and be surprised when there is none given!

Have you ever walked on sheets of sod that moves due to water drainage? Hence the reason for a water drain in the middle of a fairway. Trying to get a 17* hybrid up over that water balloon in front of me could have meant a decent tear in the fairway. Asking rules questions from people who think hitting into a bunker should come with a back rub and a glass of champagne... I'll be alright, I knew the outcome long before most people woke up this morning. 

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Thats tame for a sod balloon...we used to have a few at our home course. One used to be the size of half a beach ball beside #1 green.

 

Divots arent evil. People who dont replace them, unless its the type of grass you arent supposed to replace, are evil.

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21 minutes ago, 4x4GGG said:

Have you ever walked on sheets of sod that moves due to water drainage? Hence the reason for a water drain in the middle of a fairway. Trying to get a 17* hybrid up over that water balloon in front of me could have meant a decent tear in the fairway. Asking rules questions from people who think hitting into a bunker should come with a back rub and a glass of champagne... I'll be alright, I knew the outcome long before most people woke up this morning. 

Just trying to poke the sleeping bear?  Don't ask questions for which you already know the answer.  I'll know better next time you ask.

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3 minutes ago, Face The Facts said:

I play the ball where it lies.

My scores suck though, but I play the ball where it lies.

 

 I play it as it lies too, but #safetyfirst. When I'm a guest a private course and find the solo loose sod drainage gate on the course I'm letting some common sense get in the way of earning my boy scout "As It Lies" badge. 

 

8 minutes ago, rogolf said:

Just trying to poke the sleeping bear?  Don't ask questions for which you already know the answer.  I'll know better next time you ask.

You misspelled "Sleeping kitten". It's an internet forums board and I know my integrity pretty well. If I'm a in  Members sandwich at a private course, like I was that day (3 slow groups in front, fastest 2some on the planet behind us) I'm not putting a tee in the ground and measuring out 2 driver shafts in a non marked GUR in the middle of a fairway.  Calling my "opponent" over and agreeing to knock the ball 6 inches out of the damaged ground will always be a fair result to me in a casual round.    

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