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1 minute ago, Hawkeye77 said:

I was in high school/starting college when they had Fred Brown and John Johnson - fun team to watch. 

I think Jack Sikma was on that team, then came to the Bucks.  The Wally Walker (I think it was him) dunk in traffic might be one of the best "in game" dunks I've ever seen, past or present.  Don't know if it's the positioning of the players, but he took off and just when you thought he should have started to come down, he kept rising.  Of course, I can't find video of it on YT...

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7 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

Agree. Hard to believe it wasn’t in the discussion and wouldn’t expect them to mess any further with the rule. 

 

A question always comes to my mind about rules like this.  Why does the form of the stroke matter?  Why not allow anchoring?  Or belly putting?  Regulate the equipment, of course.  But, there is nothing in the way a stroke is executed that can't be copied by another.  I'm saying one player doesn't gain an advantage if a "style" produces a better result.  Nothing stops others from adopting it, so why issue rules against it?

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15 minutes ago, games said:

 

A question always comes to my mind about rules like this.  Why does the form of the stroke matter?  Why not allow anchoring?  Or belly putting?  Regulate the equipment, of course.  But, there is nothing in the way a stroke is executed that can't be copied by another.  I'm saying one player doesn't gain an advantage if a "style" produces a better result.  Nothing stops others from adopting it, so why issue rules against it?

 

Completely agree.  Some folks thought it didn't "look right", then some high profile results, and everyone was claiming the moral high ground - maybe I'm oversimplifying a bit.  Didn't bother me all that much they did away with anchoring, but if they hadn't I wouldn't have cared at all.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Hawkeye77

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26 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

Completely agree.  Some folks thought it didn't "look right", then some high profile results, and everyone was claiming the moral high ground - maybe I'm oversimplifying a bit.  Didn't bother me all that much they did away with anchoring, but if they hadn't I wouldn't have cared at all.

The reasoning I've read is that some styles decrease or eliminate the amount of skill required to play the game.  That was the reasoning behind outlawing both croquet-style stances and anchoring.  That's the same reasoning used in regulating green-reading materials, wind sensors, slope-measuring devices, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few.  Its certainly not a black-and-white issue, but I suppose that some kinds of lines need to be drawn, that's what rule-makers have to do.  

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I can see the added devices and aids being an issue, both in terms of skill and pace of play.  But, regulating the form of stroke is still odd to me, I guess.

 

Then again, I come from bowling, where two-hand delivery is proving to be an advantage over the traditional one-hand style...

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On 9/20/2020 at 11:21 PM, philly2kuk said:

Not a Rory fan and his comments came across as being a sore loser, but he makes one valid point for me. How is it we don’t allow people to use long putters and belly putters and anchor them, but it’s ok to anchor large parts of the grip against your arm to stabilise the stroke? For me you either allow all the options or none of them, be consistent.

 

I contemplated starting a thread on this but didn't/haven't.  This is just one dude's opinion who has a "traditional putting grip."

 

I see a big difference between anchoring the butt of the putter to your belly-button or chest or chin as it gives you a solid point to control the putter and "swing around" if that makes sense.  With "anchoring" it to your arm with the traditional grip you still must swing the club and there is not a separate anchor point to stabilize the club in the swing.  It does take the wrist out of the swing to an extent but not much more than what the claw grip does.  

 

Even with a "traditional grip" you (or at least I) try to limit my wrist hinge to minimize the impact of that variable.  My wrists are locked unless it is just a stupid long putt where I actually need to "strike" the ball hard.

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On 9/21/2020 at 12:34 AM, Bigjim1022 said:

I’ve wondered this too.  If this is allowed bring back the other banned strokes. 

 

And the 2 sided chipper.

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51 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

I contemplated starting a thread on this but didn't/haven't.  This is just one dude's opinion who has a "traditional putting grip."

 

I see a big difference between anchoring the butt of the putter to your belly-button or chest or chin as it gives you a solid point to control the putter and "swing around" if that makes sense.  With "anchoring" it to your arm with the traditional grip you still must swing the club and there is not a separate anchor point to stabilize the club in the swing.  It does take the wrist out of the swing to an extent but not much more than what the claw grip does.  

 

Even with a "traditional grip" you (or at least I) try to limit my wrist hinge to minimize the impact of that variable.  My wrists are locked unless it is just a stupid long putt where I actually need to "strike" the ball hard.

I tried belly putters in stores when anchoring was still legal. Those and the long putters felt so foreign to me, it kinda ended any "competitive advantage" discussion for me. It would have taken a lot of work and dedication for me to change to those other putting styles. I imagine that may be the case for any tour pro too? And the same with arm lock. I bet it would feel WEIRD to start.

So even if it gives them an advantage after the work, anyone else could do it too if they wanted to.

The putter thing was always about the "country club aesthetic." Just like they don't like push carts, etc.

The wedges were, I believe, an agreement to reign things in a bit, and cut competition in the club marketplace and create competitive advantage for larger manufacturers.

 

Both decisions stunk. Now we deal with the fallout. And we didn't even mention the ball yet, did we....

Edited September 28, 2020 by blueonblack

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4 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

I contemplated starting a thread on this but didn't/haven't.  This is just one dude's opinion who has a "traditional putting grip."

 

I see a big difference between anchoring the butt of the putter to your belly-button or chest or chin as it gives you a solid point to control the putter and "swing around" if that makes sense.  With "anchoring" it to your arm with the traditional grip you still must swing the club and there is not a separate anchor point to stabilize the club in the swing.  It does take the wrist out of the swing to an extent but not much more than what the claw grip does.  

 

Even with a "traditional grip" you (or at least I) try to limit my wrist hinge to minimize the impact of that variable.  My wrists are locked unless it is just a stupid long putt where I actually need to "strike" the ball hard.

Belly and long basically allowed you to act as a pendulum around the anchored point so I get that. However, if I’ve got the grip anchored against my forearm I’ve completely taken wrists out, eliminating any chance of a yip and you’ve made it easier to pendulum swing. Ok it’s not to the same extent as the belly and long putters but still makes it easier. 
 

I predict this method of anchoring against the fore arm will also be banned by the USGA and R&A. Longer/belly putters weren’t exactly dominating and they got rid of those.

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6 minutes ago, philly2kuk said:

I predict this method of anchoring against the fore arm will also be banned by the USGA and R&A. Longer/belly putters weren’t exactly dominating and they got rid of those.

 

I think optics play a big role.  Anchoring against the forearm with both hands together on the grip doesn't look as "wrong" as if you take say your right hand and pin the grip against your forearm or split your hands apart.

 

None of it really impacts so they can do whatever.  It wouldn't surprise me if they did ban it.  It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't.  I fall into the camp, "if it was so great everyone would be doing it."

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On 9/24/2020 at 4:31 AM, Hawkeye77 said:

I was in high school/starting college when they had Fred Brown and John Johnson - fun team to watch. 

I believe he should be referred to as "Downtown" Freddy Brown. Back when it was odd to shoot from that far away! Gus Johnson and later Dennis Johnson. I 6/7 years old back then. Loved that team.