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6 minutes ago, denkea said:

Do NOT believe this is correct.  And the distance between two US Opens at Pinehurst WAS over 20 yards with the difference being the two different balls. 

 

As a matter of fact John Calabria who worked for Titleist tried to talk them into changing manufacturing to a Solid Core with windings.  Titleist didn't take and he went to MaxFli and developed the Revolution.  With the success of the Revolution Titleist took note and re-tooled to compete with Maxfli.  Thus the Professional.  

Pulled this off the Titleist web site.  Seems like the Professional was still liquid core.  Of course Rick V. might be wrong as well despite being on the Team Titleist Staff in 2015.

 

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August 28, 2015 at 03:12 PM

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Hey, Kelly.

Just wanted to share an image from an old Titleist print ad we came across. The Professional was a game-changer when it was first introduced in 1994. It featured the same liquid-center, wound construction found in the premium Titleist Tour Balata model that we manufactured at the time, but its cast urethane cover was a revolutionary breakthrough.

The Professional’s patented Elastomer cover still provided the same feel and greenside control that players desired, but it was substantially more durable. The Professional also had a more penetrating flight that made it longer off the tee for most players.

The success of the Professional paved the way for the introduction of the first Titleist Pro V1 golf ball in 2000. The Pro V1 advanced the urethane cover technology first seen in the Professional and it also differed from Professional by featuring a solid core. This new construction resulted in a ball that launched high but spun less off the tee for significantly greater distance, yet still maintained the feel and scoring spin needed for precision in the short game.

Fun to look back, Kelly. The Professional really was a great ball and pioneered the way for the performance we’re enjoying in today’s Pro V1 and Pro V1x.

Thanks,

Rick

 
 
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4 hours ago, denkea said:

Do NOT believe this is correct.  And the distance between two US Opens at Pinehurst WAS over 20 yards with the difference being the two different balls. 

 

As a matter of fact John Calabria who worked for Titleist tried to talk them into changing manufacturing to a Solid Core with windings.  Titleist didn't take and he went to MaxFli and developed the Revolution.  With the success of the Revolution Titleist took note and re-tooled to compete with Maxfli.  Thus the Professional.  


Believe it because the Professional did have a liquid core:

 


Next, the first US Open hosted at Pinehurst was in 1999 at which point very few if any balata balls were still in play on tour. Do you have actual driving distance data from the US Open by year? 
 

Lastly, the Titleist Professional was released in 1994 which was several years prior to the Maxfli Revolution which was released in 1998 so I think you may be confusing different models.

 

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5 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Pulled this off the Titleist web site.  Seems like the Professional was still liquid core.  Of course Rick V. might be wrong as well despite being on the Team Titleist Staff in 2015.

 

Rick V., Team Titleist Staff

 

TEAM TITLEIST STAFF

 

August 28, 2015 at 03:12 PM

1222.Titleist_5F00_Professional_5F00_082

Hey, Kelly.

Just wanted to share an image from an old Titleist print ad we came across. The Professional was a game-changer when it was first introduced in 1994. It featured the same liquid-center, wound construction found in the premium Titleist Tour Balata model that we manufactured at the time, but its cast urethane cover was a revolutionary breakthrough.

The Professional’s patented Elastomer cover still provided the same feel and greenside control that players desired, but it was substantially more durable. The Professional also had a more penetrating flight that made it longer off the tee for most players.

The success of the Professional paved the way for the introduction of the first Titleist Pro V1 golf ball in 2000. The Pro V1 advanced the urethane cover technology first seen in the Professional and it also differed from Professional by featuring a solid core. This new construction resulted in a ball that launched high but spun less off the tee for significantly greater distance, yet still maintained the feel and scoring spin needed for precision in the short game.

Fun to look back, Kelly. The Professional really was a great ball and pioneered the way for the performance we’re enjoying in today’s Pro V1 and Pro V1x.

Thanks,

Rick

 
 

And to add to your great post is the picture below of the back of the Professional's box.

 

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11 hours ago, storm319 said:


Believe it because the Professional did have a liquid core:

 


Next, the first US Open hosted at Pinehurst was in 1999 at which point very few if any balata balls were still in play on tour. Do you have actual driving distance data from the US Open by year? 
 

Lastly, the Titleist Professional was released in 1994 which was several years prior to the Maxfli Revolution which was released in 1998 so I think you may be confusing different models.

 

 

Awesome. I believe we just witnessed an attempt to rewrite history to support their regressive opnion. 

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On 9/13/2021 at 5:44 AM, denkea said:

Back when one of the U.S. Opens at Pinehurst the balls most were using was the Titleist Balata (liquid center, rubber windings).  The next Open they had at Pinehurst most were using the Titleist Professional (solid center with rubber windings).  That resulted in approx 20 yards more diving distance on average. 

When the Pro V (Solid center, no more rubber windings) distance increased more.

 

It's DA Ball baby.  It's DA Ball.   

 

 

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Cool story bro….incorrect but nicely written.

 

The first US Open at Pinehurst was in 1999. So the  Tour Balata was long gone. Professional in ‘99 and ProV thereafter

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On 9/13/2021 at 5:44 AM, denkea said:

Back when one of the U.S. Opens at Pinehurst the balls most were using was the Titleist Balata (liquid center, rubber windings).  The next Open they had at Pinehurst most were using the Titleist Professional (solid center with rubber windings).  That resulted in approx 20 yards more diving distance on average. 

When the Pro V (Solid center, no more rubber windings) distance increased more.

 

It's DA Ball baby.  It's DA Ball.   

 

 

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Duplicate-need the delete function back.

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Callaway Epic Speen PX Hzrdus Green 60s

Titleist TS3 strong 3 wood 13.5* PX Hzrdus. Smoke 75s

Titleist 818H2 19* hybrid Tensei Blue

Adams A12 21* UST VTS Silver 75s

Titleist TS3 23* Tensei Blue

Srixon ZX7 6-pw Nippon Pro Modus 125s

Taylormade MG2 50* 54* 58* DG S300

Scotty Cameron Newport Special Select 34” with flow neck by LaMont

 

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On 9/15/2021 at 10:18 AM, Shilgy said:

Duplicate-need the delete function back.

 

Well, you could delete everything and then put "[deleted]". :classic_smile:

 

I haven't figured out why but occasionally I'll hit the "Submit Reply" button and "nothing happens", i.e. the page doesn't refresh and show my post.

 

BUT, the site HAS taken my post but has not refreshed the page to show it.

 

When I don't see the page refreshed, I'll copy my entire post (just in case) and refresh the page myself.

 

More often than not my post IS there so no need to re-do. Doesn't seem there's any rhyme or reason to it though. Dunno1.gif

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