KHT Autoflex shaft

[My2Dogs]

6 minutes ago, NYgolfer30 said:

I should add I have a flat driver swing normally. The only big adjustment I made was taking a little step further back. Which you would do with any shaft thats 1.25” longer then your normal. But like I said we’ll see the comparison to another premium shaft in the Fuji Speeder Evo 7 in the coming weeks. 

Matt said something in the 3 wood test.  He said it seemed like the club was getting shorter during the swing.  So he moved the ball position closer to the heel and then got center strikes.  When it was centered he was getting toe strikes.  Have no idea but just what he stated.   Wonder if some of the folks who struggle are not getting center strikes and maybe losing distance due to off center hits. 

[NYgolfer30]

1 minute ago, My2Dogs said:

Matt said something in the 3 wood test.  He said it seemed like the club was getting shorter during the swing.  So he moved the ball position closer to the heel and then got center strikes.  When it was centered he was getting toe strikes.  Have no idea but just what he stated.   Wonder if some of the folks who struggle are not getting center strikes and maybe losing distance due to off center hits. 

Opposite for me. Today I stood a little further back, set up toward toe side and have a much better range session today. To the point I took my sell ad off eBay lol. 

[bward]

I've had a rough couple outings with mine. I am not losing distance by any means and am still plenty long with it, but my strikes have been all over the face which is uncommon for me. I pulled out my PXG Proto with 45'' ADTP and had a great day striking it and shaping shots. I am probably going to put mine in time out for a couple weeks before trying it again. 

 

Side note, I hit both on my Flightscope and the Autoflex set us was consistently 3-4 mph faster club head speed. 

[Feelingofgreatness]

16 hours ago, keepingsanitythrugolf said:

 

I just got my 5th round in with Autoflex, and I'm going back to my original shaft for now. It's getting to the point where I'm no longer making adjustments, but making a swing change just to try and get this to work. Starting to have negative effect on my iron shots too. I will wait for the TSi4 to come out, see if that will help with the spin. If that still doesn't work out, it will go in my closet. Maybe try it out again in a decade when I cant use my normal shaft.

 

Also, on Sunday, we had one that snapped into 3 pieces at impact. I've seen many guys snap their shafts in half, because it hit their neck or behind the neck/shoulder at follow through, but this is the first time I've seen a shaft break into 3 at impact. But respect and credit to the Autoflex rep, they replied within 2 hours and will be providing us with a a replacement.

 

 

 

QuigleyDU believes this is a high priced gimmick. And i'm starting to agree.

I do not think the shaft itself is a gimmick, as it does work for some. The gimmick is the pricing, marketing, and the name is a misnomer. I believe when it comes to pricing, it's the Chivas Regal effect.

The name...there is nothing "Auto" about this shaft. We didn't get this shaft because Matt on TXG was hitting bombs, we were curious about the auto aspect, wondering if there is such thing as a "one size fits most" for shafts like there is for caps. I guess it was foolish on our part to even consider it possible.

 

This autoflex experiment has made me reflect of my past fitting experiences and why we purchase clubs. It reminds me of what Barney Adams said about how many shots it takes to determine whether a club is not for us. His answer was 3. The point he was trying to make is if after 3 swings the club isn't optimal for you, you will start making adjustments, consciously or subconsciously, to make it work.

 

NyGolfer30, why haven't you given up on it yet? Maybe you can agree with this.

It's because we invested in it, paid a high price for it. This is why I compare it to the Chivas regal effect.

If this shaft was $100, would everyone put in all that effort to make this shaft work?

If a driver head cost $1000, I'm sure we will put extra effort in finding a shaft that works. The autoflex is just the reverse; we invested in a shaft and now trying to find a head that works. And in our case, not just a head, but a swing that works for this shaft.

 

So where do we draw the line? After 30 shots, after 50? Or after 1000? Shouldn't shafts be matched to the DNA of our swing, not change our swing's DNA to match the shaft.

If I convinced someone to buy a Ping 425 with a diamana whiteboard at 47" for $5000, they will try to find a way to make it work, or at least put more effort than normally.

Autoflex is just another shaft in the market, no different than that whiteboard. It will be "natural fit" for some, and not for others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This post was great! I wish I could give you 100 likes.

[outgolfing]

I’ve had good success with mine on the launch monitor but have not been able to turn that into consistent on course results. When I connect I hit it great and am much longer than I was with stock shaft. Unfortunately my miss has been a very large push slice. I’m not blaming this shaft as I know it’s a poor swing that is causing this. I ended up buying a tsi3 with an AD DI 6s for kicks. I tested it today against my mavrik max with the autoflex. To my surprise I was actually 2mph faster with the tsi3 than the autoflex mavrik setup. I also felt I was more consistent with the tsi3. 
 

Edited January 6, 2021 by outgolfing

[shaolingolfer]

 

This guy swing real slow and he actually cut it open at the end.

[keepingsanitythrugolf]

I tried DMing Ian from TXG on instagram. And this was his response.

I've also asked for his permission to share this in the forum.

 

 

Edited January 1, 2021 by keepingsanitythrugolf

[NYgolfer30]

3 minutes ago, keepingsanitythrugolf said:

I tried DMing Ian from TXG on instagram. And this was his response.

 

 

 

Lol Ian’s DM has been real crazy about Autoflex I’m sure lol

[keepingsanitythrugolf]

1 minute ago, NYgolfer30 said:

Lol Ian’s DM has been real crazy about Autoflex I’m sure lol

 

I was surprised he would even reply. 

But his reply confirms what my group has been thinking about this shaft. It's not a quest for the right head, right length, swingweight, etc. It's the swing.

 

[NYgolfer30]

15 minutes ago, keepingsanitythrugolf said:

 

I was surprised he would even reply. 

But his reply confirms what my group has been thinking about this shaft. It's not a quest for the right head, right length, swingweight, etc. It's the swing.

 

He’s pretty good with responding to people, we spoke several times about diff stuff. What a big plus he is for the golf community. 

[ROH1]

Ok, so how do I not give this a try.  Driving is the weakest part of my game - confirmed by Arccos.  56 y.o., I probably ain't getting faster.  95 - 100 driver speed.  238 yard total average over my last 10 plus rounds.  Smooth tempo.  7 hcap.  But, why do I feel like PT Barnum had something to say about me after I buy one. 

[enfuego]

Finally got in lighter head weights for my Sim to play around with the setup more. Previously tried heavy head/grip with some success but it left me thinking I could do better. Sim came with 9g front and 11g back including screws, I ordered 6g front and 7g back. I tried all combinations and using the two lighter weights was fine but not great. I didn't get a chance to swing weight with the new weights but I think using the two light weights would have gotten me to the recommended d1.5ish range. Using one light and one heavy worked the best with the edge going to 9g front and 7g back, didn't notice any loss in forgiveness. My guess is swing  weight is around d4. Playing it full length I probably adjusted my swing a little giving consideration to tee height and tempo. I won't be able to get on a launch monitor anytime soon but on course I'm hitting just as many fairways and now 15+ yards longer.

Edited January 1, 2021 by enfuego

[ARL67]

10 hours ago, ROH1 said:

Ok, so how do I not give this a try.  Driving is the weakest part of my game - confirmed by Arccos.  56 y.o., I probably ain't getting faster.  95 - 100 driver speed.  238 yard total average over my last 10 plus rounds.  Smooth tempo.  7 hcap.  But, why do I feel like PT Barnum had something to say about me after I buy one. 

 

Curious, is your iron distance on par your driver distance ?

I have similar driver SS and distances, and my 7i is my 155 club.  I feel the distances with my Driver, woods/hybrids, and iron are appropriate across the board. 

 

If I gained 10-15+ yards with some new fangled device for my Driver, I would probably want to move back a deck.   That would be fine on holes that have me hitting Driver, but could hurt me on now longer Par 3's as my iron distance has not seen any proportional gains.  That said, Ya I'd take 10-15+ yards with the Driver, as it is an "ego-club" ! 😃 

 

 

 

 

[ROH1]

My 7 total yardage is 162, again by Arccos.   Problem with my driving is that I'm also crooked.  Short and crooked is no way to go thru life.

[puttingmatt]

15 hours ago, shaolingolfer said:

 

This guy swing real slow and he actually cut it open at the end.

This is an excellent video, enjoyed the presentation. Good information

[pinhigh27]

22 hours ago, My2Dogs said:

Matt said something in the 3 wood test.  He said it seemed like the club was getting shorter during the swing.  So he moved the ball position closer to the heel and then got center strikes.  When it was centered he was getting toe strikes.  Have no idea but just what he stated.   Wonder if some of the folks who struggle are not getting center strikes and maybe losing distance due to off center hits. 

Why would you want to make these adjustments to maybe hit it a little further. 
 

golf is about repeatability and you should seek to make the driver similar to other swings , not something completely different 

[NYgolfer30]

25 minutes ago, pinhigh27 said:

Why would you want to make these adjustments to maybe hit it a little further. 
 

golf is about repeatability and you should seek to make the driver similar to other swings , not something completely different 

No. Your driver is the only club you want a positive attack angle. All other clubs, minus putter, should be negative. You definetly don’t want a driver swing to be the same as an iron swing. Maybe tempo wise you would like it to be the same, but as far as angles go your driver is very different from the rest. 

[gsrjc]

1 hour ago, pinhigh27 said:

Why would you want to make these adjustments to maybe hit it a little further. 
 

golf is about repeatability and you should seek to make the driver similar to other swings , not something completely different 

I would have figured cutting the shafts 5” shorter would make them play very stiff so surprised with the results and how he was able to get a D2 head weight. Still interesting results though. 

[My2Dogs]

4 hours ago, puttingmatt said:

This is an excellent video, enjoyed the presentation. Good information

The guys gets results but in the same breath states that he doesn’t believe the results.  However a min before when testing the other clubs he states, these are the numbers and that’s it.  LOL

 

also give him props for cutting a new AF shaft.  Must have more money than he knows what to do with.  He says he wants an SF305.  Maybe shouldn’t have wasted the money to cut a shaft into pieces.  Also don’t know why he would want to change.  20 yards more distance and tighter dispersion.  Keep it in the head and don’t change anything. 

[pinhigh27]

1 hour ago, NYgolfer30 said:

No. Your driver is the only club you want a positive attack angle. All other clubs, minus putter, should be negative. You definetly don’t want a driver swing to be the same as an iron swing. Maybe tempo wise you would like it to be the same, but as far as angles go your driver is very different from the rest. 

Don’t agree and nothing says you need a positive AoA with driver. That kind of basic thinking is flat out wrong. 
 

tell brooks koepka to hit up on driver 

[pinhigh27]

The whole point is the swing gradually changes as clubs get longer and it’s a natural transition. If you have to make all these changes for the club to fit , maybe the club just isn’t for you  . I don’t want to take an easier tempo with the driver than any other club 

[NYgolfer30]

7 minutes ago, pinhigh27 said:

Don’t agree and nothing says you need a positive AoA with driver. That kind of basic thinking is flat out wrong. 
 

tell brooks koepka to hit up on driver 

Most tour players are negative too. But ideally you would like to hit up on the ball. 

[bward]

Snowy day here without much else to do, so I spent a couple hours and about 100 swings to try and sort out my Autoflex build. I got along well with it again and even set a new personal best with 180 mph ball speed. I am looking at 20 yards total difference between it and my other driver and to me it’s too much of a gain to not continue to work on dispersion with. 

[My2Dogs]

11 minutes ago, NYgolfer30 said:

Most tour players are negative too. But ideally you would like to hit up on the ball. 

Yes but most Pros hit it consistently enough on the sweet spot and usually have enough speed and spin to make it work for them.  The average golfer does not.  Sorry forgot about WRX folks.  😜

[NYgolfer30]

2 minutes ago, My2Dogs said:

Yes but most Pros hit it consistently enough on the sweet spot and usually have enough speed and spin to make it work for them.  The average golfer does not.  Sorry forgot about WRX folks.  😜

Ok to each his own I guess but just me personally I do not want to have the same swing driver to iron. 

[pinhigh27]

21 minutes ago, NYgolfer30 said:

Ok to each his own I guess but just me personally I do not want to have the same swing driver to iron. 

It’s not the same exact swing but it’s very similar. The entire point is to be consistent 

[bward]

54 minutes ago, NYgolfer30 said:

Ok to each his own I guess but just me personally I do not want to have the same swing driver to iron. 

I've always viewed and felt my driver swing as different from the rest of my bag as well. I am typically 1-2 degrees in to out with driver and neutral to 1 degree out to in with irons. 

[My2Dogs]

1 hour ago, bward said:

I've always viewed and felt my driver swing as different from the rest of my bag as well. I am typically 1-2 degrees in to out with driver and neutral to 1 degree out to in with irons. 

I’m the same with my irons but about 2-3 with driver.  For me I have large positive AOA on driver that I need to lower a bit.  

[abernsmd]

About to pull the trigger on an autoflex 505 for a Ping g410 head and go down this rabbit hole. Swing speed roughly 105 mph. The hard part will be getting the swing weight to D1-D2 and playing the shaft at full length. Spoke with an autoflex rep who seemed to indicate adjusting the head weight is far more important than counterbalancing and adding weight to the grip end. 

 

The question I am pondering is if removing the 16g weight in the back of the 410 head would ultimately change the performance of the head itself.🤔 If I could free up that weight and maybe replace it with a 2-4g weight they sell on ebay and then maybe minimally counter balance or minimally shorten the shaft I could get close to D1-D2.

 

Has anybody with a g410 head had success with this thing? If so how did you address the swing weight conundrum?

[Lakelander]

I play a Ping G410 LST head with SF505X shaft at full length, 8 gram back weight which translates to 197 gram head weight at D3 swing weight.  No issues.