KHT Autoflex shaft

[rlb4]

2 hours ago, stealthall said:

 

All good questions.

 

Current head weight is 193g (I took out the 3g stock front and put in a 2g). Stock head weight is 194g (with screw but not including adapter). The swing weight is at C9 I believe. I want to play around with lowering the back weight and increasing the front weight to see if there is any opportunity there.

 

The RAD XB was good, and looked really good in the peacock matte. But when I compare the ease of use to the Sim2 Max: the Sim2 Max is easier to hit & sounds/feels awesome, more forgiving on toe and heel misses and results in more consistent numbers due to the before mentioned aspects. If there is a negative to the Sim2 Max its the adapter, up/down loft have effects on lie, I wish that wasn’t the case. But its also a positive, the Sim2 Max is a little draw biased at 9* stock...when I dial it down to 8.25* (which opens the face), the draw moves to a fade, which I like. Secondly, it will be interesting to play around with adding weight to the front at 8.25* to see if that helps with more straight shots...tinker baby!

 

The Sim2 Max just fits me better for some reason. If the Ping G425 Max (specially when lowering the weight) didn’t sounds like a tin can I would be gaming that for sure. That G425 Max just might be the best performing most forgiving head ever made (in my opinion). The sound is just TOO much.

 

Anyhow, this is the method of my madness...It is very cool that so many people are able to play different heads and setups. I am always amazed when someone new on here throws it into a head and says - done!

I thought the Sim2 Max only had a 24g weight in the back and nothing in the front? And the Sim2 had a 16g in back only?

[PLLand55]

On 4/13/2021 at 11:20 AM, SwingBlues said:

 

 

Hey, take a look at the picture of the OEM, Uni-Fit and All-Fit adapters for Cobra, Ping and Callaway that I posted. I lined them all up so you can see the depth and also where the end of the ferrule are as a comparison. Keep in mind these adapters are "universal" so it's impossible to get the same depth and finished length as an OEM. Also, certain OEM adapter offer -2, flat, upright as well and if you are one that needs that SPECIFIC setting, then these universals may not be for you. They are designed for fitting originally but we are kinda pushing it to put them into play.

 

 

 

 

@PLLand55 I just asked Top Golf to confirm the non-USGA. I did not find anything that said they are and whether they would or not, seek approval for the future. If I hear anything back, I'll let you know. Unfortunately Club Conex was smart enough to do it which was a good selling point until they went STUPID and cut us all consumers off from their supply. AM I mad, yeah - their fiasco cost me hundred of dollars to switch and not just me, even some prominent posters here as well that supported that company for many years.

@SwingBluesIt does say R&A approved on their website. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[stealthall]

48 minutes ago, rlb4 said:

I thought the Sim2 Max only had a 24g weight in the back and nothing in the front? And the Sim2 had a 16g in back only?

There is a little fairway wood size weight in the front. It is more heel side on the max and closer towards the center of the head on the reg Sim2

[SwingBlues]

4 hours ago, PLLand55 said:

@SwingBluesIt does say R&A approved on their website. 🤷🏻‍♂️

just got confirmation from the sales associate- YES they have the R&A certification for their All-Fit. Does that automatically imply it’s good for USGA? May be someone can chime in here?

[My2Dogs]

27 minutes ago, SwingBlues said:

just got confirmation from the sales associate- YES they have the R&A certification for their All-Fit. Does that automatically imply it’s good for USGA? May be someone can chime in here?

I don’t believe it does.  The USGA has to approve it themselves but usually when one does, the other is not far behind.  

[JayAreOhh924]

Branden Grace gaming the AF this week at RBC Heritage

 

Update: Looks like he has it in his 3w too 

Edited April 15, 2021 by JayAreOhh924

[ASN21]

58 minutes ago, JayAreOhh924 said:

Branden Grace gaming the AF this week at RBC Heritage

 

Update: Looks like he has it in his 3w too 

Interesting, looking forward to seeing how he does this week.

[Lasorcier]

Okay, since you drug dealers did your thing and got me to get a fix of autoflex (505X), I'll make a couple posts.  This one is a post regarding initial setup and the like.  Tomorrow I am hitting the range with data and will update this subsequent to that with said data.  I am playing saturday and sunday and will update on that as well.

 

I got it from Torque golf and shipping was pretty fast.  I ordered it on the 9th and got it on the 15th.  So, 6 days seems decent coming from Singapore.  It came in a solid PVC tube with some foam to keep it from sloshing around.  It came with a titleist adapter for my TSi3 (9*). 

 

Weighs 54g untrimmed.  I did not trim it.

 

 

TSi3 is 186g without the weight in it which will be my starting point.  The weight i have for it is 10g i believe (the paintfill is blue), bringing the weight up to 196g.  This includes the screw and washers from the adapter in it.  Initial setting is my current setting C1 (3/4 flat, +1.5 loft). 

 

 

I have now three shafts for the TSi3.  The first is the stock Tensei White stiff (not aftermarket one).  The second is a Motore-X F3 6-S (the one I use).  The third is the autoflex.  Jumbomax Tour small is used in all three.  The grip weighs 104g.  All three are at the same length and play to 47" as measured to butt end to bottom of the face at center.  It just worked out that the autoflex was the same length as the other two - like maybe a millimeter difference.  The epoxy and grip tape weighed 5-6g.  The adapter (without screw and washers) and ferrule combined is 10g

 

Weights of gripped and adapter installed shafts:

 

Autoflex: 173g

Tensei: 199g

Motore: 194g

 

Total club weight (186g head):

 

Autoflex: 360g

 

 

Tensei: 386g

 

 

Motore: 381g

 

 

Seems like a sizeable difference.  There is definitely a feel difference.  I have no idea what the swingweight is, which I have always struggled with figuring out since I switched to Jumbomax grips.  Both feel good, but the autoflex is noticeably lighter and seems like less effort to swing as a result.  I'll find out tomorrow.

 

Other notes:

 

The adapter that came with the shaft was pretty snug.  Once I roughed the end of the shaft it was better, but still a pretty snug fit.  The ferrule was especially snug. 

 

[stealthall]

7 hours ago, Lasorcier said:

Okay, since you drug dealers did your thing and got me to get a fix of autoflex (505X), I'll make a couple posts.  This one is a post regarding initial setup and the like.  Tomorrow I am hitting the range with data and will update this subsequent to that with said data.  I am playing saturday and sunday and will update on that as well.

 

I got it from Torque golf and shipping was pretty fast.  I ordered it on the 9th and got it on the 15th.  So, 6 days seems decent coming from Singapore.  It came in a solid PVC tube with some foam to keep it from sloshing around.  It came with a titleist adapter for my TSi3 (9*). 

 

Weighs 54g untrimmed.  I did not trim it.

 

 

TSi3 is 186g without the weight in it which will be my starting point.  The weight i have for it is 10g i believe (the paintfill is blue), bringing the weight up to 196g.  This includes the screw and washers from the adapter in it.  Initial setting is my current setting C1 (3/4 flat, +1.5 loft). 

 

 

I have now three shafts for the TSi3.  The first is the stock Tensei White stiff (not aftermarket one).  The second is a Motore-X F3 6-S (the one I use).  The third is the autoflex.  Jumbomax Tour small is used in all three.  The grip weighs 104g.  All three are at the same length and play to 47" as measured to butt end to bottom of the face at center.  It just worked out that the autoflex was the same length as the other two - like maybe a millimeter difference.  The epoxy and grip tape weighed 5-6g.  The adapter (without screw and washers) and ferrule combined is 10g

 

Weights of gripped and adapter installed shafts:

 

Autoflex: 173g

Tensei: 199g

Motore: 194g

 

Total club weight (186g head):

 

Autoflex: 360g

 

 

Tensei: 386g

 

 

Motore: 381g

 

 

Seems like a sizeable difference.  There is definitely a feel difference.  I have no idea what the swingweight is, which I have always struggled with figuring out since I switched to Jumbomax grips.  Both feel good, but the autoflex is noticeably lighter and seems like less effort to swing as a result.  I'll find out tomorrow.

 

Other notes:

 

The adapter that came with the shaft was pretty snug.  Once I roughed the end of the shaft it was better, but still a pretty snug fit.  The ferrule was especially snug. 

 

Good stuff!

 

Good luck, welcome to the crazy train!

 

Very interested to see how the TSi3 does. 
 

A couple things you MAY be headed for:

 

- trimming the shaft

- lighter grip

 

[SEP1006]

56 minutes ago, stealthall said:

Good stuff!

 

Good luck, welcome to the crazy train!

 

Very interested to see how the TSi3 does. 
 

A couple things you MAY be headed for:

 

- trimming the shaft

- lighter grip

 

 

I didn't see that he stated which Jumbomax Grip he uses. But if they are the Ultralights he will be fine on that end, they are right at 50 grams. Pretty much the same as a standard grip.

[Lasorcier]

I can see your point on perhaps a lighter grip.  It will have to be a  Jumbomax though.  Anything smaller feels horrible, like holding a pencil that I  have to death grip.  With the Jumbomax, the space between my fingertips and thumbpad is simply perfect.  I use the tours.  

 

I play 47 already so I highly doubt it will get trimmed.  All of my other clubs are 1" over standard and 1* flat.  

Edited April 16, 2021 by Lasorcier
clarification

[stealthall]

1 hour ago, SEP1006 said:

 

I didn't see that he stated which Jumbomax Grip he uses. But if they are the Ultralights he will be fine on that end, they are right at 50 grams. Pretty much the same as a standard grip.

He referenced that the grip weight 104g. That level of weight on the butt end can throw off swing weight and/or upset the benefits of adding or removing weight from the head. As well as cutting the shaft. 
 

Typically, the grip weight should fall in the 48-60g range depending on shaft length, etc. 

[M44km44k]

10 hours ago, Lasorcier said:

Okay, since you drug dealers did your thing and got me to get a fix of autoflex (505X), I'll make a couple posts.  This one is a post regarding initial setup and the like.  Tomorrow I am hitting the range with data and will update this subsequent to that with said data.  I am playing saturday and sunday and will update on that as well.

 

I got it from Torque golf and shipping was pretty fast.  I ordered it on the 9th and got it on the 15th.  So, 6 days seems decent coming from Singapore.  It came in a solid PVC tube with some foam to keep it from sloshing around.  It came with a titleist adapter for my TSi3 (9*). 

 

Weighs 54g untrimmed.  I did not trim it.

 

 

TSi3 is 186g without the weight in it which will be my starting point.  The weight i have for it is 10g i believe (the paintfill is blue), bringing the weight up to 196g.  This includes the screw and washers from the adapter in it.  Initial setting is my current setting C1 (3/4 flat, +1.5 loft). 

 

 

I have now three shafts for the TSi3.  The first is the stock Tensei White stiff (not aftermarket one).  The second is a Motore-X F3 6-S (the one I use).  The third is the autoflex.  Jumbomax Tour small is used in all three.  The grip weighs 104g.  All three are at the same length and play to 47" as measured to butt end to bottom of the face at center.  It just worked out that the autoflex was the same length as the other two - like maybe a millimeter difference.  The epoxy and grip tape weighed 5-6g.  The adapter (without screw and washers) and ferrule combined is 10g

 

Weights of gripped and adapter installed shafts:

 

Autoflex: 173g

Tensei: 199g

Motore: 194g

 

Total club weight (186g head):

 

Autoflex: 360g

 

 

Tensei: 386g

 

 

Motore: 381g

 

 

Seems like a sizeable difference.  There is definitely a feel difference.  I have no idea what the swingweight is, which I have always struggled with figuring out since I switched to Jumbomax grips.  Both feel good, but the autoflex is noticeably lighter and seems like less effort to swing as a result.  I'll find out tomorrow.

 

Other notes:

 

The adapter that came with the shaft was pretty snug.  Once I roughed the end of the shaft it was better, but still a pretty snug fit.  The ferrule was especially snug. 

 

Couple of other things you may run into:

-Buying 5 different heads

-Buying 3 different flexes 

-Partial Insanity

-Bombing fairways

Enjoy the crack! Can't wait to see the data. Looks like you will be very thorough.

[My2Dogs]

I found out this morning that Bryant Brothers Golf in North Carolina not only is the US distributor of AutoFlex but he also carries the All Fit adapters and has all the cogs.   He does full builds for everything.  I believe it’s called My Club Maker.  Contact number is (704) 853-8343.  
 

he is the person that helped with my replacement and a couple others on here when our original AF shafts cracked.  Did a good job with the replacement shafts and builds.  

[JMATHEEENS]

28 minutes ago, My2Dogs said:

I found out this morning that Bryant Brothers Golf in North Carolina not only is the US distributor of AutoFlex but he also carries the All Fit adapters and has all the cogs.   He does full builds for everything.  I believe it’s called My Club Maker.  Contact number is (704) 853-8343.  
 

he is the person that helped with my replacement and a couple others on here when our original AF shafts cracked.  Did a good job with the replacement shafts and builds.  

 

I ordered my AF from Bryant - great dude. I'm down in NC right now. I placed the order on a Saturday and had it in hand by Wednesday. 

 

 

[1b!ggolfnut]

On 4/15/2021 at 11:54 AM, ASN21 said:

Interesting, looking forward to seeing how he does this week.

It’s actually a 4w at 42” 505x tipped .5” and the driver is 44” 505xx

[My2Dogs]

just looked up a couple highlights of Branden Grace using the AF and I admit I don’t watch him at all, so I don’t know his normal shot shape.  He was really hitting some low screaming bullets off the tee from the Tour Cast I watched.  He did hit a couple high that went 289-290 but it seems a lot were low and runners.  Was it windy today?  He seemed to be teeing it low.  Haven’t watched anything today so I don’t know what the conditions were.  

[bward]

22 minutes ago, My2Dogs said:

just looked up a couple highlights of Branden Grace using the AF and I admit I don’t watch him at all, so I don’t know his normal shot shape.  He was really hitting some low screaming bullets off the tee from the Tour Cast I watched.  He did hit a couple high that went 289-290 but it seems a lot were low and runners.  Was it windy today?  He seemed to be teeing it low.  Haven’t watched anything today so I don’t know what the conditions were.  

He’s known for keeping the ball really low.

[Lasorcier]

Okay so back from the range.  Weather wasn't the best.  This was in a Top Tracer range where you are hitting out of a building.  Picture a mini-storage facility with lots of garage doors.  You are hitting from inside one of the doors to the outside.  You are using range balls (yellow callaway ones) and can see the full flight of the ball. 

 

Top Tracer has a few limitations.  First, it does not measure swing speed.  Second, it measures at some point when the ball left the building and the cameras can see it, as opposed to measuring at the point of contact.  I am guessing this is probably 20 feet outside of the building or so.  Third, it does not measure spin.

 

I used a voice caddy 200 to do the swing speed and ball speed and hence efficiency calculations.

 

Spreadsheet can be found here:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WPMJ9-i6Av62hcjdARcWMbcxYlT5ieqKenh8M_D0JYI/edit?usp=sharing

 

I had set this spreadsheet up some time earlier, so I just modified the prior existing spreadsheet, and hid some tabs of other tests I have done of various clubs out of morbid curiosity.

 

Short summary:

 

Temperature	45
Rain/Snow	Rain
Wind	None
Relative Humidity	100%
Elevation	1123 ft
Note: Swing speed is measured by a Voice Caddy portable launch monitor since Top Tracer does not track swing speed. All other measures are from Top Tracer.
Note 2: In terms of curve and offline, Top Tracer uses "left" and "right". I converted this to a number. Left is negative and right is positive.
	Summary (From Average of Each)
	Swing Speed	Ball Speed	Efficiency		Curve (Feet)	Launch Angle	Height	Flat Carry	Total Distance		Roll
Autoflex 505X	104.8	152.2	1.452		20.5	12.2	83.7	234.2	259.2		25.0
MotoreX 6-S	99.3	145.2	1.463		-22.8	12.9	72.9	212.9	241.8		28.9
Tensei White S	98.9	144.8	1.464		-2.5	11.6	62.3	213.9	250.1		36.3

 

 

Okay, so here are a few things.  Wind is a consideration in the frontier strip states.  When it is windy, which is a lot, I try to keep the ball out of the air and get roll.  There are quite a few days where the wind is a 3 or 4 club wind, so to speak.  For those who don't play in wind and don't truly appreciate this, see this article:  https://www.golfwrx.com/318416/how-the-wind-affects-your-golf-ball/.  This is particularly the case in winter/early spring when the ground is hard.  I play at courses where you cannot spray and pray.  Errant shots are in the trees almost without exception and are a mostly likely double and therefore accuracy matters.  So, I have a bias that I would rather hit it shorter and know where it is going, rather than hit some bomber where I might not know where it is going.

 

I hit 6 of each shaft, then 7 of each shaft.  I wanted to hit more of each, but didn't have sufficient time.  I ran out of time with the Tensei on the last 7 so i didn't get all 7 swings in.  I used the standard setting on the autoflex because i wanted a baseline.  I will play tomorrow with it lofted up a notch.  So we'll see how that goes.

 

Here is the Autoflex table.  The rest are in the sheet at the link i put above.

 

	TSi3 9 Degree Standard Loft/Lie (Autoflex SF505X)
	Swing Speed	Ball Speed	Efficiency		Curve (Feet)	Launch Angle	Height	Flat Carry	Total Distance		Roll
1	105	154	1.467		22	12	92	239	259		20
2	106	152	1.434		-54	13	94	236	255		19
3	105	154	1.467		-41	13	96	237	254		17
4	105	155	1.476		26	14	97	251	282		31
5	107	154	1.439		75	13	74	238	273		35
6	107	154	1.439		65	11	72	235	261		26
7	101	151	1.495		-32	10	78	227	246		19
8	108	153	1.417		17	10	87	233	250		17
9	102	148	1.451		13	15	95	242	266		24
10	107	152	1.421		107	14	68	217	254		37
11	107	151	1.411		23	9	64	226	257		31
12	102	153	1.500		20	10	64	230	263		33
13	101	148	1.465		26	15	107	234	250		16
Mean	104.846	152.231	1.452		20.538	12.231	83.692	234.231	259.231		25.000
Median	105.000	153.000	1.451		22.000	13.000	87.000	235.000	257.000		24.000
Std Dev	2.512	2.242	0.029		45.331	2.048	14.349	8.298	9.976		7.572
Hi	107.000	155.000	1.495		75.000	14.000	97.000	251.000	282.000		35.000
Lo	101.000	151.000	1.434		-54.000	10.000	72.000	227.000	246.000		17.000

 

 

Observations:

 

1.  Swing speed and ball speed obviously significantly higher.

2.  Standard deviations are across-the-board better than the other two shafts, with the exception of efficiency, which is slightly worse.

3.  The range (i.e., the spread of high to low) is also tighter than the other two shafts in general.

4.  The autoflex is fantastically easy to swing.  The other two shafts take considerably more work.

5.  The autoflex is hard to mishit.  It squares quite easily.

6.  I learned that I obviously perform better with a lighter shaft/club than a heavier club. 

7.  For normal conditions, I would use the autoflex.  For windy conditions, I would not.  I am going to test this however.

8.  You have to have a smooth swing to make this work (in my opinion).  The dudes with quick and violent swings would probably struggle with this shaft.  The smoother I swung, the better it performed.  The bad shots I had, which are in there because they need to be seen because they happen were entirely tempo related.  Bad tempo equals bad shot with this shaft, I think.

9.  Oh, I am a dork, so you don't need to point that out.  I am well aware of this.

 

This shaft is a clear winner among these three.  The only exception is how it handles in wind, which I'll find out on a windy day.

 

Hope this helps in some respects.  I will trick around with this some more.  Always looking for constructive feedback.

 

[rlb4]

11 minutes ago, Lasorcier said:

Okay so back from the range.  Weather wasn't the best.  This was in a Top Tracer range where you are hitting out of a building.  Picture a mini-storage facility with lots of garage doors.  You are hitting from inside one of the doors to the outside.  You are using range balls (yellow callaway ones) and can see the full flight of the ball. 

 

Top Tracer has a few limitations.  First, it does not measure swing speed.  Second, it measures at some point when the ball left the building and the cameras can see it, as opposed to measuring at the point of contact.  I am guessing this is probably 20 feet outside of the building or so.  Third, it does not measure spin.

 

I used a voice caddy 200 to do the swing speed and ball speed and hence efficiency calculations.

 

Spreadsheet can be found here:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WPMJ9-i6Av62hcjdARcWMbcxYlT5ieqKenh8M_D0JYI/edit?usp=sharing

 

I had set this spreadsheet up some time earlier, so I just modified the prior existing spreadsheet, and hid some tabs of other tests I have done of various clubs out of morbid curiosity.

 

Short summary:

 

 

Temperature	45
Rain/Snow	Rain
Wind	None
Relative Humidity	100%
Elevation	1123 ft
Note: Swing speed is measured by a Voice Caddy portable launch monitor since Top Tracer does not track swing speed. All other measures are from Top Tracer.
Note 2: In terms of curve and offline, Top Tracer uses "left" and "right". I converted this to a number. Left is negative and right is positive.
	Summary (From Average of Each)
	Swing Speed	Ball Speed	Efficiency		Curve (Feet)	Launch Angle	Height	Flat Carry	Total Distance		Roll
Autoflex 505X	104.8	152.2	1.452		20.5	12.2	83.7	234.2	259.2		25.0
MotoreX 6-S	99.3	145.2	1.463		-22.8	12.9	72.9	212.9	241.8		28.9
Tensei White S	98.9	144.8	1.464		-2.5	11.6	62.3	213.9	250.1		36.3

 

 

Okay, so here are a few things.  Wind is a consideration in the frontier strip states.  When it is windy, which is a lot, I try to keep the ball out of the air and get roll.  There are quite a few days where the wind is a 3 or 4 club wind, so to speak.  For those who don't play in wind and don't truly appreciate this, see this article:  https://www.golfwrx.com/318416/how-the-wind-affects-your-golf-ball/.  This is particularly the case in winter/early spring when the ground is hard.  I play at courses where you cannot spray and pray.  Errant shots are in the trees almost without exception and are a mostly likely double and therefore accuracy matters.  So, I have a bias that I would rather hit it shorter and know where it is going, rather than hit some bomber where I might not know where it is going.

 

I hit 6 of each shaft, then 7 of each shaft.  I wanted to hit more of each, but didn't have sufficient time.  I ran out of time with the Tensei on the last 7 so i didn't get all 7 swings in.  I used the standard setting on the autoflex because i wanted a baseline.  I will play tomorrow with it lofted up a notch.  So we'll see how that goes.

 

Here is the Autoflex table.  The rest are in the sheet at the link i put above.

 

 

	TSi3 9 Degree Standard Loft/Lie (Autoflex SF505X)
	Swing Speed	Ball Speed	Efficiency		Curve (Feet)	Launch Angle	Height	Flat Carry	Total Distance		Roll
1	105	154	1.467		22	12	92	239	259		20
2	106	152	1.434		-54	13	94	236	255		19
3	105	154	1.467		-41	13	96	237	254		17
4	105	155	1.476		26	14	97	251	282		31
5	107	154	1.439		75	13	74	238	273		35
6	107	154	1.439		65	11	72	235	261		26
7	101	151	1.495		-32	10	78	227	246		19
8	108	153	1.417		17	10	87	233	250		17
9	102	148	1.451		13	15	95	242	266		24
10	107	152	1.421		107	14	68	217	254		37
11	107	151	1.411		23	9	64	226	257		31
12	102	153	1.500		20	10	64	230	263		33
13	101	148	1.465		26	15	107	234	250		16
Mean	104.846	152.231	1.452		20.538	12.231	83.692	234.231	259.231		25.000
Median	105.000	153.000	1.451		22.000	13.000	87.000	235.000	257.000		24.000
Std Dev	2.512	2.242	0.029		45.331	2.048	14.349	8.298	9.976		7.572
Hi	107.000	155.000	1.495		75.000	14.000	97.000	251.000	282.000		35.000
Lo	101.000	151.000	1.434		-54.000	10.000	72.000	227.000	246.000		17.000

 

 

Observations:

 

1.  Swing speed and ball speed obviously significantly higher.

2.  Standard deviations are across-the-board better than the other two shafts, with the exception of efficiency, which is slightly worse.

3.  The range (i.e., the spread of high to low) is also tighter than the other two shafts in general.

4.  The autoflex is fantastically easy to swing.  The other two shafts take considerably more work.

5.  The autoflex is hard to mishit.  It squares quite easily.

6.  I learned that I obviously perform better with a lighter shaft/club than a heavier club. 

7.  For normal conditions, I would use the autoflex.  For windy conditions, I would not.  I am going to test this however.

8.  You have to have a smooth swing to make this work (in my opinion).  The dudes with quick and violent swings would probably struggle with this shaft.  The smoother I swung, the better it performed.  The bad shots I had, which are in there because they need to be seen because they happen were entirely tempo related.  Bad tempo equals bad shot with this shaft, I think.

9.  Oh, I am a dork, so you don't need to point that out.  I am well aware of this.

 

This shaft is a clear winner among these three.  The only exception is how it handles in wind, which I'll find out on a windy day.

 

Hope this helps in some respects.  I will trick around with this some more.  Always looking for constructive feedback.

 

Maybe I'm reading the #'s wrong but to me it looks like the tensei shaft was best. Much better curve (2.5 vs 20.5) and only 9 yrds shorter.

[My2Dogs]

11 minutes ago, rlb4 said:

Maybe I'm reading the #'s wrong but to me it looks like the tensei shaft was best. Much better curve (2.5 vs 20.5) and only 9 yrds shorter.

Maybe it didn’t have enough time to curve,  look at the carry vs total.  I always go with carry as you cannot count on roll as it depends on course conditions.  Also if you need to get by a hazard.  

[jgard320]

I’m getting back into the game here after seeing more feedback. Previously had a 505x that I played at 47” in a rogue and 46.25” in a rogue star (no adapter) set up. I got the rogue down to 190 plus adapter and the rogue star to 194 grams. Dispersion sucked, spun like crazy, and didn’t really get speed gains. 
 

Fast forward and I bought a used 505xx that plays 45.75”. I have a Callaway b21 head that I can get as low as 190 and an original epic sub zero that I can get down around 183g before adapter. I only have my net and wiffle balls in the back yard, but impact spray so far shows solid contact and the shaft feels incredible. Definitely firmer but has that same wobble effect if you just wag the club. Not sure when I’ll get to the course, but I feel a lot more confident with the shorter and stiffer set up.

[oo1oo]

And here we go! 
 

After 4 holes I was wanting to stick my

old trusty matrix tp6hde back in. I stayed with it and started making smoother swings. It was then I realized what the hype was about. 
 

20 yard gains on smooth swings, sometimes more. No gains with harder swings that caused it to spin more (same distance with old set up). 
 

505x grip to tip measures 45 1/4.  Using a  Taylormade m4 head 12* probably full

length with head 46”.   My swing speed is around 110-105 but can crank it higher in 4man scrambles. 
 

Ball flight was higher. I will stick some lower

lofted heads in to see if it’ll give me more gains. 
 

My swing is out to in, ball flight is a slice or fade. 
 

[Lasorcier]

Yep, here we go indeed.  On the round today, I was amazed at how straight this hits.  My experience on the course today (1st round) was as follows:

 

1.  Hits amazingly straight with a smooth swing with virtually no movement.

2.  It was hard to mishit.  Strikes except one were just to the toe side of center.  TSi3 is really good about marks on the face.  So, I cleaned it after every shot.  That shaft literally wants to hit it there and seems like it finds that spot.

3.  I could not produce a ball that went left (slide/fade) and it was windy today.  That says something.

4.  It swings really easy

5.  When I went after it, that is when a draw would start to appear.  If it was smooth, dead straight.

 

So, today hit 11/13 fairways.  The two misses were right (draws) that were went after (both being par 5's where a really good tee shot can reach it in two).

 

Further observations:

 

I had the setting on the TSi3 9* on 3/4* flat and +1.5* loft.  This was my normal setting on the Motore X and I wanted to see how it compared.  At this setting, the ball would certainly elevate and was spinny.  Accordingly, it would seem like that it was a bomb, but would then just get stalled in the wind.  Longest drive was 290.  Most were 265 or so.  That is not a distance improvement over the Motore X.  It is a definite feel improvement however and also less action (i.e., a draw is much less pronounced on the AF than the Motore X). 

 

Tomorrow I am going to try it on 3/4* flat and 8.25* loft and see how that goes.  I would think it will be longer, less spinny and fight wind better.

 

This is a winner shaft.  I just need to dial it in to get everything optimized. 

 

 

[jgard320]

Anyone have any experience tipping these? Most I’ve seen is up to 1” if you use it in a fairway. Might be a way to add some driver head weight.

[Lasorcier]

Okay some more info.  Shaft continues to shine but learned a few things.   

 

Played today.  It was one of those days that you're not playing well.  Something was off, but managed to score 77.  Irons were off a little today.

 

Okay so first drive was okay.  Drew to the right rough.   Was not the smoothest swing.  Stock weight was in.  Second drive faded left, weight out.

 

So at this point with my round yesterday, I concluded stock weight is not it and no weight is also not it.  So I put 1 lead tape strip towards the front of the unweighted TSi3.  Next drive is straight, on the left rough.  Add one more strip.  Remaining drives straight and middle fairway.  All of them except one, but that was bad alignment and it simply went where my body pointed it. Flight is amazingly straight unless I really go after one hard, then it draws right but not terrible.

 

That seemed to be it.  Adjusting it to B4 (3/4* flat and 8.25) and a couple of lead tapes.  The lead tapes were 4g total.  

 

Strikes on the same spot (just on the side of center).  Although, I never looked before, but the strike marks are exactly in line with the silver line on the bottom of the club.  I'll have to ponder the significance of that if any.

 

So the total club weight is 364g.  Head weight is 190 (screw in but no adapter).  Jumbomax tour is staying as well as the 47 length.  No idea on swing weight, but that metric becomes meaningless with the heavy grip anyway.  

 

 

[stealthall]

Do we have any TSi2 AF players out there? Care to share your setup?

[Sagbear]

Currently Ping G425 Max 9°w/ VA NEym regular playing 44 inches. Track man swing speed 85-88 mph swing speed. Typically 125-132 ball speed with 205-215 carry 

 

Bit the bullet and ordered the 405 at 44.5 inches. I’m going to try and get on a track man this week To see some before and afters. Got a weight kit for this so I can try and get this as optimized as possible. 
 

I’m located in Chicago and hope to take it on the course this weekend, and see what it does live. Typically I don’t hit driver well in a simulator but drive the ball well on course. 

[PLLand55]

14 hours ago, stealthall said:

Do we have any TSi2 AF players out there? Care to share your setup?

I tried TSi 2 and it didn’t work for me. Tested as follows SF505XX 45 3/4” playing length TSi2 9* set to lowest setting. Tried with weight and it went high right and spinny. 
 

Took back weight out and hit high spiny draws. Abandoned quickly as I have seen better results quicker with other heads. 
 

I highly recommend trying TSi4 if your wanting to test Titleist. 

[PLLand55]

On 4/18/2021 at 9:11 PM, Lasorcier said:

Okay some more info.  Shaft continues to shine but learned a few things.   

 

Played today.  It was one of those days that you're not playing well.  Something was off, but managed to score 77.  Irons were off a little today.

 

Okay so first drive was okay.  Drew to the right rough.   Was not the smoothest swing.  Stock weight was in.  Second drive faded left, weight out.

 

So at this point with my round yesterday, I concluded stock weight is not it and no weight is also not it.  So I put 1 lead tape strip towards the front of the unweighted TSi3.  Next drive is straight, on the left rough.  Add one more strip.  Remaining drives straight and middle fairway.  All of them except one, but that was bad alignment and it simply went where my body pointed it. Flight is amazingly straight unless I really go after one hard, then it draws right but not terrible.

 

That seemed to be it.  Adjusting it to B4 (3/4* flat and 8.25) and a couple of lead tapes.  The lead tapes were 4g total.  

 

Strikes on the same spot (just on the side of center).  Although, I never looked before, but the strike marks are exactly in line with the silver line on the bottom of the club.  I'll have to ponder the significance of that if any.

 

So the total club weight is 364g.  Head weight is 190 (screw in but no adapter).  Jumbomax tour is staying as well as the 47 length.  No idea on swing weight, but that metric becomes meaningless with the heavy grip anyway.  

 

 

Looks like you have a TSi4 now with that front head weight 👍🏽