MacGregor Muirfield Jack Nicklaus

[Moeinorman]

I am or was so happy? I noticed that my 25 dollar new babied have the 8 iron not “tour forged”. Should that be a problem?

That being said, they look awesone

Edited October 3, 2020 by Moeinorman

[HateTheHighDraw]

Those hosels are wild

[CROUSE99]

Hopefully, a MacGregor expert will chime in, but my first thought is the original 8 iron was replaced with one from a later production run. Other than stamping, it may be identical to the original.

[boggyman]

Move to the Classic Forum, you’ll prolly get a quicker response there. Nice sticks.

[waltonsfinest]

Love these. 

[braincramp52]

On 10/3/2020 at 9:10 PM, boggyman said:

Move to the Classic Forum, you’ll prolly get a quicker response there. Nice sticks.

 

This^

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

On 10/4/2020 at 9:18 AM, CROUSE99 said:

Hopefully, a MacGregor expert will chime in, but my first thought is the original 8 iron was replaced with one from a later production run. Other than stamping, it may be identical to the original.

 

I think you're right. The serial number on the ferrule appears to be different as well.

 

I've read--probably on the Classics Forum--that the Tour Forged stamping was included on the first year of production, but not always after that.

 

[Moeinorman]

Yesterday I went to the golf course and tried these beauties. I won´t lie, my putter did not work (3 putt, 3 putt, 3 putt). But birdie opportunities in 10, 11 12 15 and 16. Even thoungh i still need to change the grips (i paid them 50 dollars while the clubs were just 25), my head is configured for blades. Love the way they look, and the feeling of impact is just another sport. 

My WITB, G15 ping driver; cobra f8 3-4 fairway wood; Ping anser 2 putter; Cleveland reg 588 56°; Muirfield 3-pw

[Moeinorman]

3 hours ago, Moeinorman said:

Yesterday I went to the golf course and tried these beauties. I won´t lie, my putter did not work (3 putt, 3 putt, 3 putt). But birdie opportunities in 10, 11 12 15 and 16. Even thoungh i still need to change the grips (i paid them 50 dollars while the clubs were just 25), my head is configured for blades. Love the way they look, and the feeling of impact is just another sport. 

My WITB, G15 ping driver; cobra f8 3-4 fairway wood; Ping anser 2 putter; Cleveland reg 588 56°; Muirfield 3-pw

 

[Swingingk]

That's a solid bag of tools right there, and you can't go wrong with Muirfields.  They show up in every "Top 10 blades of all time" list I've ever seen.

 

Lots of us here play classic or vintage irons with modern woods as our regular setup and take "wood" woods out for fun and nostalgia.  Now you just need to pick up a set of these!  

 

[BIG STU]

4 hours ago, Swingingk said:

That's a solid bag of tools right there, and you can't go wrong with Muirfields.  They show up in every "Top 10 blades of all time" list I've ever seen.

 

Lots of us here play classic or vintage irons with modern woods as our regular setup and take "wood" woods out for fun and nostalgia.  Now you just need to pick up a set of these!  

 

Yep see my signature. It was either Scooter or Fellaheem that coined the phrase of "a bag for all seasons". You will find as myself and others have found that if you can hit the persimmon woods fairly well then the modern metals are a no brainer.

[Moeinorman]

7 hours ago, Swingingk said:

That's a solid bag of tools right there, and you can't go wrong with Muirfields.  They show up in every "Top 10 blades of all time" list I've ever seen.

 

Lots of us here play classic or vintage irons with modern woods as our regular setup and take "wood" woods out for fun and nostalgia.  Now you just need to pick up a set of these!  

 

Holy Ssssmokes! Now we are talking, I have lots of Persimmon, mostly macgregor MT, but those beautiesssss

[Swingingk]

8 hours ago, BIG STU said:

Yep see my signature. It was either Scooter or Fellaheem that coined the phrase of "a bag for all seasons". You will find as myself and others have found that if you can hit the persimmon woods fairly well then the modern metals are a no brainer.

Yeah, and you're the guys that made me into a total club ho!  Haha

[Swingingk]

5 hours ago, Moeinorman said:

Holy Ssssmokes! Now we are talking, I have lots of Persimmon, mostly macgregor MT, but those beautiesssss

Thanks.  Those are my "gamers" as they say in the fancy new stuff forums.  They are a bit beat-up but solid and they came with S300's which work pretty good for me.  I see I forgot to show the 4-wood...

[RobotDoctor]

As decent as the 1980s persimmons were, they were a far cry from MacGregor's and persimmon wood quality of the early to mid 50s, the golden era of persimmon woods.  There are a few ultra Cadillac models.  The Muirfield 20th persimmons were made to emulate Jack Nicklaus' driver at the time, a 1954/1955 MacGregor Tommy Armour 945W Eye-O-Matic.  He was gaming a MacGregor 693 fairway wood during this time as well.

 

These are two of the three MacGregor 945W Eye-O-Matic drivers I own.  The gamer is a 1954 945W driver and the second one is a 1955 945W.  The first one with the more traditional finish is my former gamer.  Also included is another 945W driver that was restored at the same time my gamer was earlier this year.  The second 945W driver has a special finish Dave Wood applied to it referred to as the EDO treatment.  It is a very special driver.  There is nothing like the craftsmanship and the feel of an early to mid 50s MacGregor.  For those who want to find one of the classics try the 693, 945W, M43 and M85W.  These are the four cornerstone models that will elevate any collection from good to great.  I am fortunate to own outstanding pieces of all four.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2020 by RobotDoctor

[BIG STU]

14 hours ago, Swingingk said:

Yeah, and you're the guys that made me into a total club ho!  Haha

Glad to know you are part of the family

[Foozle]

11 hours ago, RobotDoctor said:

As decent as the 1980s persimmons were, they were a far cry from MacGregor's and persimmon wood quality of the early to mid 50s, the golden era of persimmon woods.  There are a few ultra Cadillac models.  The Muirfield 20th persimmons were made to emulate Jack Nicklaus' driver at the time, a 1954/1955 MacGregor Tommy Armour 945W Eye-O-Matic.  He was gaming a MacGregor 693 fairway wood during this time as well.

 

These are two of the three MacGregor 945W Eye-O-Matic drivers I own.  The gamer is a 1954 945W driver and the second one is a 1955 945W.  The first one with the more traditional finish is my former gamer.  Also included is another 945W driver that was restored at the same time my gamer was earlier this year.  The second 945W driver has a special finish Dave Wood applied to it referred to as the EDO treatment.  It is a very special driver.  There is nothing like the craftsmanship and the feel of an early to mid 50s MacGregor.  For those who want to find one of the classics try the 693, 945W, M43 and M85W.  These are the four cornerstone models that will elevate any collection from good to great.  I am fortunate to own outstanding pieces of all four.

 

 

 

 

 

Stunning clubs!

I have just posted pictures of my M43's in the recent acquisition thread.

I also have a number of Tommy Armour 693's from various times in their long run. Silver Scot Tourney's and one with an impact weight insert.

However, I am curious about those pictured below. Like my M43's, they are a bit over restored - not Dave Wood standard! However, my question, also like my M43's is whether they are original early '50's blocks?

Hey have new shafts and whipping, the crown and sole stampings remain but no neck numbers. A bit heavy on the finish!

Having the TA crown stamp I assume rules out any remake?

 

[RobotDoctor]

2 hours ago, Foozle said:

Stunning clubs!

I have just posted pictures of my M43's in the recent acquisition thread.

I also have a number of Tommy Armour 693's from various times in their long run. Silver Scot Tourney's and one with an impact weight insert.

However, I am curious about those pictured below. Like my M43's, they are a bit over restored - not Dave Wood standard! However, my question, also like my M43's is whether they are original early '50's blocks?

Hey have new shafts and whipping, the crown and sole stampings remain but no neck numbers. A bit heavy on the finish!

Having the TA crown stamp I assume rules out any remake?

 

 

These are original, not remakes.  Yes, definitely a little excessive on the poly spray.  Overall these are really nice.  Nice set!  I know this is a departure from the OPs irons but .....

This is my set of 693s (Dave Wood restorations)

 

 

Edited December 2, 2020 by RobotDoctor

[Foozle]

26 minutes ago, RobotDoctor said:

 

These are original, not remakes.  Yes, definitely a little excessive on the poly spray.  Overall these are really nice.  Nice set!  I know this is a departure from the OPs irons but .....

This is my set of 693s (Dave Wood restorations)

 

 

Many thanks RobotDoctor.

What can I say about your Dave Wood 693's apart from Wow!

[RobotDoctor]

2 minutes ago, Foozle said:

Many thanks RobotDoctor.

What can I say about your Dave Wood 693's apart from Wow!

 

Thanks!  Dave doesn't take as many clients as he once did and I am fortunate that I am a client he will take in.  Dave is also not the most inexpensive restoration craftsman there is so anyone who wants a bargain look elsewhere.  That said, he is the best of the best and his results prove it.  More than a person who restores clubs, Dave is my friend.  He will get all the business from me as he wants.

[Dr. Block]

1 hour ago, RobotDoctor said:

 

Thanks!  Dave doesn't take as many clients as he once did and I am fortunate that I am a client he will take in.  Dave is also not the most inexpensive restoration craftsman there is so anyone who wants a bargain look elsewhere.  That said, he is the best of the best and his results prove it.  More than a person who restores clubs, Dave is my friend.  He will get all the business from me as he wants.

Beautiful Persimmon instruments. Thank you for sharing those photo's.

 

I wish I wasn't left handed so I could find and play one of those "golden era" beauties. Right now, I am playing a Penna re-shafted with a modern Dynamic Gold S400. It's a superb golf club, and I enjoy it very much, but the golfing heart wants what the golfing heart wants. 

 

Would you happen to know if Dave has any left handed drivers he'd be willing to sell? A Wood Brothers' driver has been my holy grail for quite some time. My apologies for the crass, off-topic inquiry, but I am hoping I might grab the attention of some of my soulful brethren in this part of the forum.  

Edited December 2, 2020 by Dr. Block

[RobotDoctor]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Block said:

Beautiful Persimmon instruments. Thank you for sharing those photo's.

 

I wish I wasn't left handed so I could find and play one of those "golden era" beauties. Right now, I am playing a Penna re-shafted with a modern Dynamic Gold S400. It's a superb golf club, and I enjoy it very much, but the golfing heart wants what the golfing heart wants. 

 

Would you happen to know if Dave has any left handed drivers he'd be willing to sell? A Wood Brothers' driver has been my holy grail for quite some time. My apologies for the crass inquiry here, but I am hoping I might grab the attention of some of my soulful brethren in this part of the forum.  

 

I don't know what Dave has in his collection and whether he would sell any piece of it.  You can always send him an email at [email protected].  He may take a few days to reply but he will eventually.  In my opinion, Wood Brother woods were the best woods to be made since the golden era of persimmon in the early to mid 50s, bar none.  I have only one WB Texan and it is a made for tour block that was made for Gene Sauers.  Also, be on the lookout for a MacGregor M80W.  These are pretty rare but this this the left handed version of a M85W.  Occasionally left handed MacGregors come up.  I recently saw a set of left handed 653 woods (IIRC).  Best of luck.

[Dr. Block]

3 minutes ago, RobotDoctor said:

 

I don't know what Dave has in his collection and whether he would sell any piece of it.  You can always send him an email at [email protected].  He may take a few days to reply but he will eventually.  In my opinion, Wood Brother woods were the best woods to be made since the golden era of persimmon in the early to mid 50s, bar none.  I have only one WB Texan and it is a made for tour block that was made for Gene Sauers.  Also, be on the lookout for a MacGregor M80W.  These are pretty rare but this this the left handed version of a M85W.  Occasionally left handed MacGregors come up.  I recently saw a set of left handed 653 woods (IIRC).  Best of luck.

Excellent info. Thank you very much. And thank you for Dave's email. I've done my best to read up on his work here and elsewhere; he is a true artist. It would be great to exchange a few emails with him.  

 

I currently have a black MacGregor driver with a key-hole insert. I think it might be a DX2W or M2W, or the left handed equivalent. I also have the Cleveland Classic persimmon driver that, I think, was a tribute to the golden era Mac's. Hitting those drivers makes one really want to experience the original real deal.  

[BIG STU]

2 hours ago, RobotDoctor said:

 

Thanks!  Dave doesn't take as many clients as he once did and I am fortunate that I am a client he will take in.  Dave is also not the most inexpensive restoration craftsman there is so anyone who wants a bargain look elsewhere.  That said, he is the best of the best and his results prove it.  More than a person who restores clubs, Dave is my friend.  He will get all the business from me as he wants.

From what I have seen of his work he is the best. If I was into pristine and rare collectables like you are he would be the only one doing my restoration work

[Bogey Bomber]

Well 'SwingingK' now you can't say anymore that Muirfield's show up in everybodies "Top 10 blades of all-time list that you see....

Here is my 'Top 10 blades of all-time list':

•Macgregor VIP Penna 63
•Macgregor VIP by Nicklaus
•Macgregor CF4000 SS1
•Macgregor Tommy Armour 985
•Wilson Dyna-Powered 1958
•Wilson Dyna-Powered 1960
•Spalding Synchro-dyned 1953
•Spalding Top Flite 1963
•Hogan Precision
•F&J Tony Lema Golden gate

 

.... I do think the Muirfield irons are very good though, i have them and like them, but not in my top 10. I have every set in my top 10 except the Penna VIP 63's (they are too expensive and rare to get) they look like really sweet clubs!

[Swingingk]

8 hours ago, Bogey Bomber said:

Well 'SwingingK' now you can't say anymore that Muirfield's show up in everybodies "Top 10 blades of all-time list that you see....

Here is my 'Top 10 blades of all-time list':

•Macgregor VIP Penna 63
•Macgregor VIP by Nicklaus
•Macgregor CF4000 SS1
•Macgregor Tommy Armour 985
•Wilson Dyna-Powered 1958
•Wilson Dyna-Powered 1960
•Spalding Synchro-dyned 1953
•Spalding Top Flite 1963
•Hogan Precision
•F&J Tony Lema Golden gate

 

.... I do think the Muirfield irons are very good though, i have them and like them, but not in my top 10. I have every set in my top 10 except the Penna VIP 63's (they are too expensive and rare to get) they look like really sweet clubs!

That's a fine top-10 list there BB.

[RobotDoctor]

The Muirfield line of irons are terrific irons.  I have had a set of Muirfield irons as well as two sets of Muirfield 20th irons (my first set was my primary gamers from 1989 through 1991).  I got a set of 1991 MacGregor VIP remakes which were essentially a Muirfield grind which were an evolution of the old VIP grind.  I hope you play these well!!!

[Foozle]

On 12/5/2020 at 3:27 PM, Bogey Bomber said:

Well 'SwingingK' now you can't say anymore that Muirfield's show up in everybodies "Top 10 blades of all-time list that you see....

Here is my 'Top 10 blades of all-time list':

•Macgregor VIP Penna 63
•Macgregor VIP by Nicklaus
•Macgregor CF4000 SS1
•Macgregor Tommy Armour 985
•Wilson Dyna-Powered 1958
•Wilson Dyna-Powered 1960
•Spalding Synchro-dyned 1953
•Spalding Top Flite 1963
•Hogan Precision
•F&J Tony Lema Golden gate

 

.... I do think the Muirfield irons are very good though, i have them and like them, but not in my top 10. I have every set in my top 10 except the Penna VIP 63's (they are too expensive and rare to get) they look like really sweet clubs!

Bogey Bomber, I note the inclusion of Spalding Synchro Dyned and Top Flite in your list. Don't suppose either are the set pictured but have you any thoughts on the year of these?

[Bogey Bomber]

No sorry i have never seen them before... interesting!

I'm pretty familiar with each Spalding release from 1950-1980 and i haven't seen them, yeah now i wonder snd want to know more about them. I hope you find out soon when they are from, i'll let you know if i find anything with my researches!

[Foozle]

40 minutes ago, Bogey Bomber said:

No sorry i have never seen them before... interesting!

I'm pretty familiar with each Spalding release from 1950-1980 and i haven't seen them, yeah now i wonder snd want to know more about them. I hope you find out soon when they are from, i'll let you know if i find anything with my researches!

Thanks Bogey Bomber, all help gratefully received!

I am in the UK which may be a factor - export model or made here under license? The shape of the head, length of hosel make me think '50's....?