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SIM hasn't even been out a year. How much more technology could they have crammed into the 2.0? Crazy to me that TMAG comes out with new driver info every 10-11 months saying "now we've pushed the limit blah blah blah". Granted, the SIM was a vast improvement but how much further can they go?

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You cant really call these the same can you? They are SIM'ilar.. But for sure some differences. Please hard to tell much from a black and white photo.. 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, BirdieBirdieX said:

SIM hasn't even been out a year. How much more technology could they have crammed into the 2.0? Crazy to me that TMAG comes out with new driver info every 10-11 months saying "now we've pushed the limit blah blah blah". Granted, the SIM was a vast improvement but how much further can they go?

 

They released the first official pictures on January 6th last year. It hasn't been released yet. So it's not 10-11 months, it's a year. Just like Callaway, Cobra, etc. 

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4 minutes ago, TaylorMade Golf said:

It's been totally re-built from the ground up. You'll see on 1/19/21.

 

Looking forward to it. The TMAG offerings haven't been able to kick the Titleist driver out of the bag in the last 10 years but we'll keep trying with each release. Kudos on the SIM though, your company really made vast improvements with that head over the M-lines

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2 minutes ago, Golfer_1993 said:

 

They released the first official pictures on January 6th last year. It hasn't been released yet. So it's not 10-11 months, it's a year. Just like Callaway, Cobra, etc. 

 

There were rumors and rumblings all the way back to the first few weeks in October. WRX has plenty of members in the know and are usually pretty reliable when it comes to the rumor mill. 

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42 minutes ago, BirdieBirdieX said:

SIM hasn't even been out a year. How much more technology could they have crammed into the 2.0? Crazy to me that TMAG comes out with new driver info every 10-11 months saying "now we've pushed the limit blah blah blah". Granted, the SIM was a vast improvement but how much further can they go?

Every golf manufacturer does this.......

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25 minutes ago, TaylorMade Golf said:

It's been totally re-built from the ground up. You'll see on 1/19/21.

 

Looking forward to it.. 

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44 minutes ago, BirdieBirdieX said:

SIM hasn't even been out a year. How much more technology could they have crammed into the 2.0? Crazy to me that TMAG comes out with new driver info every 10-11 months saying "now we've pushed the limit blah blah blah". Granted, the SIM was a vast improvement but how much further can they go?

Were you not around in the late 2000's, early 2010's when they had a new driver every 4-5 months at some points? They are not any different now then Callaway, Cobra. 

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Were you not around in the late 2000's, early 2010's when they had a new driver every 4-5 months at some points? They are not any different now then Callaway, Cobra. 

 

Of course I was around but was the hype was never more than this past release of the SIM. I'm not blaming TMAG and I also understand that almost all OEM do this. Just curious how much new innovation is going into 2.0

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13 minutes ago, BirdieBirdieX said:

 

Of course I was around but was the hype was never more than this past release of the SIM. I'm not blaming TMAG and I also understand that almost all OEM do this. Just curious how much new innovation is going into 2.0

I can say with 100% certainty there are differences. The SIM2 is almost a completely different driver from the SIM. What those differences equates to in performance is still to be seen. But it is different.. It is not just a repackaged SIM with new paint.. 

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4 hours ago, Puttersaurus Rex said:

The sim 2 titanium fairway is the design I hoped they released last year.  Maybe this version will be more popular with others as well.

As excited as I am for a fairway that feels like my Original One mini-driver, I will not be paying $400 retail for a fairway wood.  I think this price diminishes the Ti release.  For example, Tour Edge's $400 price point hurt their sales a few years ago.

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1 hour ago, Puttersaurus Rex said:

As excited as I am for a fairway that feels like my Original One mini-driver, I will not be paying $400 retail for a fairway wood.  I think this price diminishes the Ti release.  For example, Tour Edge's $400 price point hurt their sales a few years ago.

It certainly could; but I think there’s probably more of an appetite (warranted or not) to spend more on a “big name” product.

 

 I’m excited to try the driver, if it’s truly different from the SIM it may be better, or it may be different in a way that’s less suited to me.  Time will tell.  I probably won’t try the FW only due to the fact there isn’t a 16.5.  I absolutely LOVE my SIM Ti 3W, but would like it in 16.5 so I could open it up 1 click to soften my natural draw.  So I doubt the SIM2 is much better than the current SIM 3W.

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2 hours ago, BirdieBirdieX said:

 

Of course I was around but was the hype was never more than this past release of the SIM. I'm not blaming TMAG and I also understand that almost all OEM do this. Just curious how much new innovation is going into 2.0


Like @QuigleyDU mentioned, on paper at least it looks a good bit different. The amount of effort they seem to have put in to freeing up weight (all carbon sole, aluminum back, reduced speed injection) means they are likely making some decent CG moves, and that is one of the biggest markers for performance change. 

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3 minutes ago, Valtiel said:


Like @QuigleyDU mentioned, on paper at least it looks a good bit different. The amount of effort they seem to have put in to freeing up weight (all carbon sole, aluminum back, reduced speed injection) means they are likely making some decent CG moves, and that is one of the biggest markers for performance change. 

They're just making it like all of us wrx'ers made our SIMs...

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Liked how they were cranking the sound on the SIM2 commercial.  Seems like they focused on improving the sound of the driver.  Just speculation, but they sound a little more tingy then claypoty.  That was my only complaint last year besides the shape of the sim.  Performance was good.

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4 minutes ago, Shupe said:

Liked how they were cranking the sound on the SIM2 commercial.  Seems like they focused on improving the sound of the driver.  Just speculation, but they sound a little more tingy then claypoty.  That was my only complaint last year besides the shape of the sim.  Performance was good.

 

Funny, I thought the shape of the SIM was almost perfect. 

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1 minute ago, QuigleyDU said:

 

Funny, I thought the shape of the SIM was almost perfect. 


Same, I love how it is asymmetrical and shifted towards the toe from mass/visual standpoint. I can see how some people would hate that though. 

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2 minutes ago, QuigleyDU said:

 

Funny, I thought the shape of the SIM was almost perfect. 

Something about the length from the front of the club to the back of the club throws me off.  I assume it has something to do with the paint and not the measured length.

 

Hope the paint scheme fits my eye this year.  It’s gonna come down to the TSi and SIM2 for me.

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12 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

They're just making it like all of us wrx'ers made our SIMs...


I'd be willing to bet that was the plan all along honestly. The front weight track had been phased out since the M3, and while reintroducing it allowed for some adjustability and some of that lower CG/lower MOI launch monitor bomb potential, it left an easy thing to get rid off and free up weight to move back and make the driver more stable. I'm curious so see whether or not this leads to the "The SIM2 is more forgiving and stable, but the SIM is longer when struck well" kind of scenario. 

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4 minutes ago, TaylorMade Golf said:

Friend of my cousin's brother knows a guy at his local club who says he overheard the pro and the rep talking...

That is about as horses mouth as you get in golf... 

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4 minutes ago, TaylorMade Golf said:

Friend of my cousin's brother knows a guy at his local club who says he overheard the pro and the rep talking...


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4 minutes ago, TaylorMade Golf said:

Friend of my cousin's brother knows a guy at his local club who says he overheard the pro and the rep talking...

No possible way this is wrong. I know a guy who sells insurance. His favorite bartender said he served a starter who works at this same course. He said he was in that pro shop when the pro and rep were talking and apparently, the pro shop is only 85 square feet, so he could hear the entire conversation. Mark it down.  

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9 minutes ago, Valtiel said:


I'd be willing to bet that was the plan all along honestly. The front weight track had been phased out since the M3, and while reintroducing it allowed for some adjustability and some of that lower CG/lower MOI launch monitor bomb potential, it left an easy thing to get rid off and free up weight to move back and make the driver more stable. I'm curious so see whether or not this leads to the "The SIM2 is more forgiving and stable, but the SIM is longer when struck well" kind of scenario. 

I bet it's going to be a rough driver for those of us who prefer a bit more forward CoG...

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