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Irons that go far but don't have a ton of offset?

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Give JR a call at arias golf. I will be doing a review on these shortly.. I have been gaming a set for a year now  and just ordered another set for my condo.  Mine beat out my ping blueprints and my Srixon 945s. 
 

They look better at address and are honestly super forgiving. 
 

I detest the look of offset and these, well they have none.  I know offset to some golfers, makes them look more forgiving. These are however the easiest irons to hit I think I have ever tried. 

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HM pro. It’s exactly what you are describing offset is not much different than the tour

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Srixie z545 or 565 too much offset? They hott with great turf interaction

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I know offset is subjective but I find anything over 3 mm as too much, which is what my 4 iron has now.

 

Regarding distance, I don't know if it's the new ball, new swing, new shafts (Apollo 105 tipped SX had X100's)  or my new irons (Acer XV Tour) which are a couple of degrees stronger than my last set but my 9 iron is going 155, which before at best was 145 10 years ago.

 

Also, I'm sure my Apollo 105 gram shafts have something to do with it as they certainly kick more than the X100's but honestly I like it and they feel really good, and cheap too. It probably doesn't help my hook though.

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"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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11 hours ago, 400yards+ said:

Give JR a call at arias golf. I will be doing a review on these shortly.. I have been gaming a set for a year now  and just ordered another set for my condo.  Mine beat out my ping blueprints and my Srixon 945s. 
 

They look better at address and are honestly super forgiving. 
 

I detest the look of offset and these, well they have none.  I know offset to some golfers, makes them look more forgiving. These are however the easiest irons to hit I think I have ever tried. 

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On 10/12/2020 at 12:44 PM, ScottF said:

I’m not adverse to offset but my Titleist T300s don’t have much offset. This is looking down on the 5 iron.

 

 

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I see a good amount of offset there, though it's trying hard to hide/blend it

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1 minute ago, brew4eagle said:

I see a good amount of offset there, though it's trying hard to hide/blend it

 

Some irons have the offset gradually increasing from the hosel and these look better to me than ones that have abrupt offset, like Hogans or Mizunos(at least it used to be that way.) I don't mind a little offset but no more than 3mm.

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"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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On 10/16/2020 at 1:41 AM, 400yards+ said:

Give JR a call at arias golf. I will be doing a review on these shortly.. I have been gaming a set for a year now  and just ordered another set for my condo.  Mine beat out my ping blueprints and my Srixon 945s. 
 

They look better at address and are honestly super forgiving. 
 

I detest the look of offset and these, well they have none.  I know offset to some golfers, makes them look more forgiving. These are however the easiest irons to hit I think I have ever tried. 

C28AE7E7-C0B3-49F5-ABE3-36E3BE8F879C.jpeg

0959AE0D-B6C3-4A9B-8680-00533E8821DF.jpeg

You did'nt say what they are.

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You did'nt say what they are.

That’s the five iron pictured. 
 

Here is what they look like in the bag. 

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the new wishon eq1  single length are 2mm thru the bag

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5 hours ago, ReidThompson said:

Had them for a few months!  Good but not great for me. 

 

Just curious what didn't you like?  I'm looking at the TS-1s or just going back to traditional blades with with the Wishon 575s..

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8 minutes ago, achappy said:

 

Just curious what didn't you like?  I'm looking at the TS-1s or just going back to traditional blades with with the Wishon 575s..

TS1 are def not blades.  They are hollow body and fun to hit.  I just had the wrong shaft in them.  And reshafting isnt an easy process cost wise.  

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On 10/12/2020 at 11:11 AM, ReidThompson said:

This group is the absolute best and alerted me to an awesome driver fit.  

 

Question : Any hot irons that don't have a ton of offset?  I have 919 Hot Metal and would love them if they didn't have any offset.  Like the jump, hate the lefts.  Thanks!!!  Have always been a Mizuno lifer, but open to options. 

 

Reid 

 

Just curious, isn't offset more about adding height to shots rather than right vs. left?

 

I don't reallt understand it but something about center of gravity position relative to the ball.

 

Totally realize it's a huge visual preference thing as well!

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24 minutes ago, BabyFades said:

 

Just curious, isn't offset more about adding height to shots rather than right vs. left?

 

I don't reallt understand it but something about center of gravity position relative to the ball.

 

Totally realize it's a huge visual preference thing as well!

It may be.  But if it keeps going left it'll be one less thing in my head....

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50 minutes ago, BabyFades said:

 

Just curious, isn't offset more about adding height to shots rather than right vs. left?

 

I don't reallt understand it but something about center of gravity position relative to the ball.

 

Totally realize it's a huge visual preference thing as well!

 

I don't see how that is possible. From a physics standpoint when the face of the club meets the ball the position of the shaft - whether forward or backward in relation to the ball - would only cause and rotational force around the center of gravity of the combined ball and club mass. I understand that the most important feature to create spin is to have the center of mass as low as possible in the club head.

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"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, chipa said:

 

I don't see how that is possible. From a physics standpoint when the face of the club meets the ball the position of the shaft - whether forward or backward in relation to the ball - would only cause and rotational force around the center of gravity of the combined ball and club mass. I understand that the most important feature to create spin is to have the center of mass as low as possible in the club head.

Iirc, Mr. Wishon was the first I read to indicate offset adds height to shots more than causing hooks.  Possibly the club head mass further away from shaft axis causes more shaft tip flexibility? 

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Iirc, Mr. Wishon was the first I read to indicate offset adds height to shots more than causing hooks.  Possibly the club head mass further away from shaft axis causes more shaft tip flexibility? 

 

I'd like to see the physics explanation if possible. As far as adding height to shots I understand the factors are increasing face angle or imparting spin. The shaft leading the face would actually reduce the loft of the club for irons for a descending strike. The shaft flexing right before impact could impart spin as it rotates up in relation to the ball. I understand spin is also a consequence of the differential angle between the face and the linear direction(normal to the swing path arc) of the clubface at any point.

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"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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3 hours ago, chipa said:

 

I'd like to see the physics explanation if possible. As far as adding height to shots I understand the factors are increasing face angle or imparting spin. The shaft leading the face would actually reduce the loft of the club for irons for a descending strike. The shaft flexing right before impact could impart spin as it rotates up in relation to the ball. I understand spin is also a consequence of the differential angle between the face and the linear direction(normal to the swing path arc) of the clubface at any point.

Center of gravity further back increases loft

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Center of gravity further back increases loft

 

I said the center of gravity further back in the clubhead + ball mass would cause spin - because it would cause a rotation around that combined c.o.g. I don't see how the shaft connection will change the clubhead + ball impact dynamic on the plane that would cause spin.

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"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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The explanation i got when Pings first dropped was that the hands ahead gave a little more time for the club to release. That made sense to me so I never gave it a second thought. Mind you this was close to 40 years ago.

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