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On the courses I play I rarely have a need for my 5W, let alone a 3W. 

 

5W typically rolls out to 230m and I never hit it off the tee, so it only comes ever out for long par 5 approach shots.

 

I've had an M3 in the bag for a few years and it's going nowhere. Love hitting it. Great flight and can shape it beautuflly both ways with ease. 

 

Ping G410+ 9*

Taylormade M3 17*

Callaway Epic Hybrid 20*

Srixon ZX7 4-AW

Cleveland RTX4 54* 60*

Odyssey SL Black #7

 

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Your modern 5 wood will probably Have 18° of loft and play more like a four wood. Maybe 10 to 12 yards shorter than a three wood but much easier to hit consistently and get up in the air. I use this c

Thinking that my current 3W is somewhat useless. I hit my driver more consistent and I find when I need less distance or a whole is tight I usually just choke down on my driver. Off the turf is incons

I carry 3-5-7 woods.I guess I am old school. Getting older and need the 3 wood distance.3 wood goes 225 and find out when I hit down with it I have no trouble. Rather than sweep i it hit down on the ball. Works for me. Try it. Might take a bucket of balls to get used to it. Don’t give up on that 3 wood. I play some old fairway woods. Taylor burner 2007 woods. Tried all the new stuff but these for me are golden.

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I have played a four wood for many years having found that I always used to go to the five wood rather than three wood if I wanted a safety shot off the tee.  I figured there was no point in carrying a club I didn’t use.

 

Recently I did a Cobra fitting and they gave me a five wood with the three wood shaft and I got great results with the combination of loft and shaft length.  Might be worth the OP trying some options that allow an adjustable shaft so he could get the pro shop to set up something similar to try.

 

i cannot imagine owning a “traditional” 3 wood again.  I will always stick with the 4 wood or 4 wood.

Callaway Mavrik Max Driver
Cobra Speedzone fairway
M6 hybrid
PXG 0211 irons (5 to G)
Callaway 56 and 60 PM grind 2.0
PXG Operator putter

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Pulled the trigger on the M6 5W at 18 degrees. Is being shafted so will try it out this weekend. I am getting it at a 4 wood playing length (basically 1/2 longer/shorter) than stock 5W/3W. Looking forward to testing it out. Up here in the Northeast the golf season is winding down so hoping to give it a few runs before the winter. 

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I feel like I repeat this whenever this subject comes up.  With apologies for that repetition...

 

In Ye Olde Days, most carried a 3w on top of their driver.  That 3w was 17*, before being bumped to 16* in the late 80s (or thereabouts).  A 14* club was a 2w, and few people carried one.  Even pros tended not to use them.

 

Golfers now moving to the driver/4w or even 5w in the modern bag configuration are merely returning to the loft setup that long worked, only with slightly different names.

 

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Driver: TM Original One 11.5* set to 10*, Aldila RIP Alpha 80 X, 43.5"
3w:  Cobra King LTD, Matrix 8m3 X, 42"
Hybrid:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, NV105 S or DGS400

Irons grab bag:  3-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft pending); 1-PW Golden Ram TW282 or Vibration Matched Golden Rams, RIP Tour 115 R (coin flipping for the reshaft project); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S
Wedges:  Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, DGS400; Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; Ram Watson Scoring System 55*, DGX 7i shaft; Ram TG-898, DGS400; Ram TG-898, NV105 S; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS300; Ram 1982 Commemorative Nickel 58*, Dynamic S; Ram TW282, DGS; Ram TW276, DGS; Ram Troon Grind 58*, Dynamic S; Maltby Design 60* mid sole, DGS400; Maltby Design 60* mid sole, NV105 S
Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"
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I’ve moved to driver 2 hybrid 4 hybrid. I can get 260/270 off tee with 2 hybrid down to 16 degrees and can get 240 with my 4 hybrid lofted to 20. Works for me and I feel confident from more lies than with a fairway wood

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ZX Utility 18* ADDI 95X

4-PW ZX7 CTaper 130x 1 degree weak

SM8 50.12 at 51 KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 135x
SM7 54.08 at 56 KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 135x

RTX ZipCore 60 KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 125

Scotty Cameron Studio Stainless Newport 2.5 with Stability Shaft

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On 10/16/2020 at 7:02 AM, North Butte said:

I think you've correctly identified the two issues. 

 

1) What is the longest and strongest lofted club you can hit well off the fairway?

2) Do you need a slightly shorter than driver club, optimized for distance off the tee?

 

For a lot of us, myself included, this gets pretty simple. I answer #1 first and the answer is something around 18 or 19 degrees of loft no more than 42" or at most 42-1/2" long. That's pretty much a 5-wood nowadays. And my answer to #2 is no.

 

There are two guys I frequently play with who are much better golfers (around 5hcp) than I am and who rely a lot on the option of 3-wood off the tee. In both cases it's because they feel they hit their driver crooked and play 3-wood for "safety". It's funny reading this thread right now because both of them, on separate occasions, have recently told me they are reconsidering that strategy because they don't actually hit the fairway every time with the 3-wood.

 

As one of them said the other day, "It's like I'm giving up 20 yards for no reason". And this guy, the one who said that, also carries a 5-wood which he is absolutely dead consistent with. He can hit a GIR with that 5-wood from 200 yards more often than I hit the GIR with a 6-iron. I try not to give "advice" to better players but I was tempted to suggest he do just what you're proposing. Drop the 3-wood and just carry Driver and 5-wood. 

For a longer player, sometimes 3w off the tee is safer on doglegs with OB so you don't risk a stroke pushing/pulling it into the deep stuff or trees. There's a couple local courses here where hitting it 290-300 and not curving it properly will have you off the hole, whereas cutting the leg with 3w leaves you only a slightly longer wedge and eliminates the chance of a lost ball.

 

Edit: for reference, 3w loft has always been 15° for me, not one of those strong 13.5° ones.

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At 72 and with my aches and pains I can't reach most five pars in two with a three wood anyway.  I switched to a 18* Sim Max five wood (almost as long as my previous  Epic three wood) and am much more consistent with it which breeds confidence that I can swing away.  As an old friend who won our State Am five times, All American at NC and someone who had played in three US Opens told me a long time ago "count how many birdies you've made with your wedge vs your three wood". I've lived by that now for years and its born out to me at least to be true. YNNV. 

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Ping G410's 5 thru PW

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I am considering increasing loft to 17-18 degrees as well. I had good results going to an M2 Tour HL 16 degree a couple years ago and now with the hotter fairways ( SIM in particular) I think its an even easier decision to go for 17-18 degree 4 or 5 woods. They have the same distance, higher ball flight and better descent angles. I've also really struggled with the increased length of stock 3 woods and the resulting dispersion.     

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Good idea OP! Myself I have a good experience going driver, 3 wood @ 16°, 5 wood @ 19° and 4 hybrid @ 22° before going into irons. Feels very versatile and safe. For the windy days I switch out the 18 and 22 for irons.

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TaylorMade SIM2 Driver 8,75° HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 60 6.0

TaylorMade SIM2 Max Fairway 3 15° HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 70 6.0

TaylorMade SIM2 Rescue 3 19,5° ProForce V2 8HY S

TaylorMade P770 4 22,5° KBS Tour 90 S

Callaway Apex MB 18 5 26° - P 47° KBS Tour 115 R+

Callaway Apex MB 18 A 51° KBS Tour 120 S

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Yeah 5 wood is very useful. I find that clubs that can hit high are so versatile because I can learn to also hit them low.  As a relatively long player on mostly short courses, my 5W is mainly a tee club but great off turf when I need.  I only brought back a strong 3W recently really as a 2nd driver that I can shape a draw more easily than driver or hit low bullets.  Could've gone mini driver route for that but I like the smaller size and ability to hit off the turf if needed.  5W off the turf is usually better anyway.

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On 10/14/2020 at 11:16 PM, ChitownM2 said:

Also thinking of making this switch but took the intermediate step of trying out an adjustable 3w and setting it to 17. 

Depends, you are really just adjusting face angle, so a lofted up 3w is going to play closed while a lofted down 5 wood will play open.  Both fun options to experiment with. 

I pick 14 of the following:
Ping G400
Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood
Ping G 400 4 hybrid
Ping G 4-U
Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 54, 58 SS
Grips NDMC +4
Odyssey Pro #1 black
Hoofer
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ECCO Biom Hybrid 3

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1 hour ago, dlygrisse said:

Depends, you are really just adjusting face angle, so a lofted up 3w is going to play closed while a lofted down 5 wood will play open.  Both fun options to experiment with. 

Yeah I fight a slice so closing the face was a win-win. If I decide to go with a 5w I would probably go with a SFT from ping or something else with a closed face.

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