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Been playing 105s for several years now.  I can play stiff fine, but currently in regs hardstepped.  I am a very smooth swinger without an aggressive move.  I recently sold my JPX 919 HMs through FB with the above shafts to a guy I know that traditionally plays stiff and has an entirely different and faster swing than mine.  We keep in touch through FB and he LOVES them.  Maybe he can adjust naturally or the shafts can handle his old swing?  I don't know.   I don't think it should be based on swing type but rather on being comfortable with the weight, trajectory and spin.

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3 minutes ago, LowAndLeft32 said:

So I don’t have a deliberate tempo. Driver swing speed is 105 

I would go hit the mizuno shaft optimizer and see where you fall for a good starting point. And I could also be wrong, I'm just surmising based on my swing speed, tempo, and what was rec for me which is modus 105x, SS is 85mph with 7 iron.

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I just got fit a couple weeks ago into the 105 x. 95 mph 7 iron with a very smooth tempo. Shafts were also 1” over-length

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The Modus 105 and 125 are Nippon’s DG comparable shaft. If you’ve played any of the DG shafts, you may get along well with Modus 105. Much like DG, any swing style or tempo can play the shaft. 

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My 7i swingspeed is around 84 mph and I’ve been fitted into Modus 105s. I’m moving from Dynalite S-300s at 117g which flexwise are ok but are just a little heavy. Compared to the Dynalite’s the Modus 105s is lighter, a little easier to load and gives me that nice high ball flight without getting too spinny.

 

In my opinion the Modus 105 can fit a wide range of players with only the strongest needing stouter. Quite a few PGA and Sr PGA players using the 105 in Stiff and X.

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9 hours ago, noodle3872 said:

The Modus 105 and 125 are Nippon’s DG comparable shaft. If you’ve played any of the DG shafts, you may get along well with Modus 105. Much like DG, any swing style or tempo can play the shaft. 

I would agree with this.  I get along best with DG shafts and I have a set of 105s in some Z745s.  They are a lighter, better feeling S300 IMO.  I swing 7i about 83 I think, they work well for me, but I prefer a little more weight in my iron shafts so I currently play the S300 in my Hogans.  IDK why, but I tend to get the shanks with lighter shafts and it drives me nuts so I have been leaving them in the garage for now.  I will say, I was worried about a higher, ballooning flight and having the shaft feel like a noodle... neither of those came to fruition.  Fantastic penetrating flight with great distance and stopping power.  It feels softer but can hold up when stepped on.  I have played the Modus 120s and that shaft feels more loose and out of control to me in comparison.

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Ive been playing modus 105x in Mizuno MP18 SC for 18 months. They are fantastic!  I came from Callaway X forged with px6.0. I find them smoother than the Px (I had the rifle version) and they flight really well. 
 

Generally I’m a smooth swinger, I find I fit into wood shafts like Tensei Blue, KuroKage etc do something with a little bit of kick but tip stiff. 
 

For reference my driver swing speed is  106 - 110mph and 7 iron carry is 165. 
 

One thing to note is that the 105x is actually 112g, so perhaps with your 105mph driver speed the x-flex could be worth a look? I don’t find them overly stiff, all of my woods are Stiff flex. 

 

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There are a lot of variables here in play. I use the 105s due to firmer tip to help with my draw, lightweight because of my 75MPH swing speed. Also the 105s launch higher, which I need. 

OP, also depends what heads you are using too?! What do you want your irons to do/performance? Maybe buy one and put it in your most used/fav. club and see if it works for you?!

I agree with the above, try to get to a fitter and see what the optimizer suggest and go from there?!

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On 10/16/2020 at 10:18 PM, noodle3872 said:

The Modus 105 and 125 are Nippon’s DG comparable shaft. If you’ve played any of the DG shafts, you may get along well with Modus 105. Much like DG, any swing style or tempo can play the shaft. 

That sums it up nicely. The play alot like DG, with better feel. I played them in both stiff and regular before going back to Steelfiber i95.

 

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I like the 105's in stiff, great shaft.

Have had it in two sets of irons , 

Somewhat aggressive swing, mizuno shaft analyzer put me in the 120's for first choice, but the 105's were 4th and I wanted lighter in a steel shaft, so opted for them and have not looked back

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2 hours ago, CMZ24 said:

I’m trying to decide between modus 105 regular and stiff. Anyone have any insight between the 2 flexes on what I should look for and think about when deciding without being able to hit them? Thanks. 

I have always played stiff flex, so shaft flex was not my concern, only the shaft weight matters to me. Opting for lighter weight has been easier on my elbows and wrists



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14 hours ago, CMZ24 said:

I’m trying to decide between modus 105 regular and stiff. Anyone have any insight between the 2 flexes on what I should look for and think about when deciding without being able to hit them? Thanks. 

 

Most Nippon's are very soft to flex compared with other shaft OEM's.  So the 105 Stiff is actually closer to most other OEM's Reg flex shafts.   Which means if you're not sure and only have experience with other OEM shaft flexes - it's probably best to err on the side of going stiffer instead of softer.

 

But any shaft choice without any actual testing will always bring with it some risk.  There is no standard for flex so the labels themselves will never tell you what will be the right flex or how stiff a shaft might feel.  It's better to buy and test a single shaft before committing to buying a whole set.

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16 hours ago, CMZ24 said:

I’m trying to decide between modus 105 regular and stiff. Anyone have any insight between the 2 flexes on what I should look for and think about when deciding without being able to hit them? Thanks. 

It's been a while, but I got fitted in 2018 for Ping irons and we settled on the Modus 105 Reg and my avg swing speed with that shaft was 72.8 mph.  I was seeing 105.6 mph ball speed and 150 carry with a G700 7i. 5120 spin.  It handedly beat all of the other shafts we tried that day (Alta Reg, AWT2.0 reg, Project X LZ, etc.).  Unfortunately I have lost about 3-4 mph of speed with a 7i these days and the modus 105R feels kinda heavy and clunky through the ball for me now.  Lately I have been doing better with 70-95g shafts.   

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On 8/17/2023 at 8:56 AM, Stuart_G said:

 

Most Nippon's are very soft to flex compared with other shaft OEM's.  So the 105 Stiff is actually closer to most other OEM's Reg flex shafts.   Which means if you're not sure and only have experience with other OEM shaft flexes - it's probably best to err on the side of going stiffer instead of softer.

 

But any shaft choice without any actual testing will always bring with it some risk.  There is no standard for flex so the labels themselves will never tell you what will be the right flex or how stiff a shaft might feel.  It's better to buy and test a single shaft before committing to buying a whole set.

That is only true when it comes to the Modus 120. That is because of the ultra-soft mid-section in that design. In terms of cpms, the Modus 105s is actually about the same stiffness as the 120x. The Modus 130 is actually significantly more stout than other brand shafts with the same stiffness rating. Here is a useful chart I found: Shaft_Comparison_310-350_updated.png?v=1614268660

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14 hours ago, SWH81 said:

That is only true when it comes to the Modus 120. That is because of the ultra-soft mid-section in that design. In terms of cpms, the Modus 105s is actually about the same stiffness as the 120x.

 

No, it's not just the 120. The 130 is the exception, not the rule when it comes to Nippon shafts.   Even that chart shows the 105X is also soft relative to many other OEM stiff shafts as and even some R shafts.

 

But forget that chart,  butt frequency is not an accurate representation of how stiff or soft a shaft will feel or play.   You need to look at full profile data to get the true picture.   And then the 105 get's even softer overall due to the very soft tip section.

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On 3/1/2024 at 5:20 AM, Stuart_G said:

 

No, it's not just the 120. The 130 is the exception, not the rule when it comes to Nippon shafts.   Even that chart shows the 105X is also soft relative to many other OEM stiff shafts as and even some R shafts.

 

But forget that chart,  butt frequency is not an accurate representation of how stiff or soft a shaft will feel or play.   You need to look at full profile data to get the true picture.   And then the 105 get's even softer overall due to the very soft tip section.

I agree that butt stiffness doesn't give you the whole picture in terms of how a shaft will feel or play. Total area under the E.I. curve is probably the best number to look at. When it comes to steel shafts, overall weight is a good indicator of how stiff a shaft really is in relation to it's given stiffness rating. Whether or not, a shaft feels, "boardy", or "smooth", tends to correlate with it being stepped, or step-less. Most players agreeing that stepped shafts feel significantly smoother. 

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32 minutes ago, SWH81 said:

I agree that butt stiffness doesn't give you the whole picture in terms of how a shaft will feel or play. Total area under the E.I. curve is probably the best number to look at.

 

That's an interesting theory.  I've seen it proposed before but not seen any real valid theory to back it up.  Personally I don't think it's possible for any one single number to be able to represent a properties that varies along the full length of the shaft.  The permutations of how the stiffness can very AND how much the dynamics of the swing can vary between different individuals AND even just how perception can vary between individuals makes it a wild goose chase to even try to simplify such a complex phenomena.  But that's just the opinion of an old engineer.  🙂

 

 

32 minutes ago, SWH81 said:

When it comes to steel shafts, overall weight is a good indicator of how stiff a shaft really is in relation to it's given stiffness rating.

 

Weight is certainly one factor for steel but diameter and step patterns actually plays a bigger role in the stiffness.    I think people believe that largely because the designers know that the same players that prefer heavier shafts also tend to prefer stiffer shafts.  So it's really more the demand that has created that kind of pattern in design as opposed to being any kind of "fixed" or reliable relationship.   Weight can certainly impart some limits on how stiff a steel shaft can be (you can only make a 90 gm steel shaft so stiff) but it is possible to make heavier shafts softer.   Just look at a comparison between DG R300 and x100 - both the same weight but very different in terms of stiffness.

 

32 minutes ago, SWH81 said:

Whether or not, a shaft feels, "boardy", or "smooth", tends to correlate with it being stepped, or step-less. Most players agreeing that stepped shafts feel significantly smoother. 

 

Well putting aside the subjective adjectives - stepless designs do tend to be stiffer.  And steps make it easier to get more flexibility with the IE curve design.  But not really sure there have been enough different stepless designs to really draw any strong conclusions about what might be possible or the full potential.   It could be that it's just much less expensive to manufacture the stepped designs for when a softer shaft is desired.  It's likely very easy to modify the swedging of stepped shafts and produce different designs using the same dies and machines - while each stepless design would require new die's to be created for each new design.  But that's just pure speculation.

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