Shaft for 48” driver experiment?

[Augster]

Hey,

 

Where do I get a shaft for a 48” driver experiment? I’m not straight with my 45” driver, so I may as well max out speed. 
 

I’ll glue it into a .335 Wishon 919. 
 

What would you recommend for a driver that length and I swing my current around 100mph? 
 

So what to get and where to buy it? At what length?

 

Thanks for any help!

[Adam C]

You can get long drive shafts that come longer (I think 50 raw). If you buy a regular stock shaft with a raw 46 inch length you will be just short of 48 if installed straight. Fujikura used to make all their raw shafts 47 inches so if you find one of those you can grab an extra inch. Might want something counterbalanced to try and lessen the heavy head feel you will get at that length.

[Augster]

5 hours ago, Adam C said:

You can get long drive shafts that come longer (I think 50 raw). If you buy a regular stock shaft with a raw 46 inch length you will be just short of 48 if installed straight. Fujikura used to make all their raw shafts 47 inches so if you find one of those you can grab an extra inch. Might want something counterbalanced to try and lessen the heavy head feel you will get at that length.

Thanks!

 

I was thinking a 46” would be really close to the length, but I agree 47”would be better. 

If I’m usually a stiff shaft at 45”, do I still need stiff at 48”? Or do I go up a flex or down a flex? 
 

Thanks for the help!
 

 

[grm24]

6 hours ago, Augster said:

What would you recommend for a driver that length and I swing my current around 100mph? 

A comprehensive launch monitor fitting and lessons. A longer shaft in your driver in no way guarantees you hitting it longer.

Edited October 17, 2020 by grm24

[Stuart_G]

On 10/17/2020 at 1:50 AM, Augster said:

Thanks!

 

I was thinking a 46” would be really close to the length, but I agree 47”would be better. 

If I’m usually a stiff shaft at 45”, do I still need stiff at 48”? Or do I go up a flex or down a flex? 
 

Thanks for the help!
 

 

 

How the length will change shaft performance will depend more on what you do to the head weight (to manage swing weight).  Going from 45" to 48" means roughly an increase in swing weight of 18 pts.   So if it was D0 at 45" then it would be E8 at 48".   So basically the first question you have to ask is how can you get the head lighter and how light can you make it.   Ideally you're going to want to drop around 30 gm for a reasonable swing weight at that length.  That's what is going to dominate the question of how the shaft stiffness might change.  It will also likely play a big part in how long you can play it.

 

Also keep in mind that adding length doesn't automatically add swing speed, particularly with amateurs.  And even if it does, being able to maintain center face contact (the ability to get the extra ball speed from the extra swing speed) can be much more difficult.   Don't get me wrong, no reason not to give it a try.  So by all means go for it.  Just be careful about getting the hopes up too high.  You should find some way to monitor what kind of gains you're really getting when you give it a try. 

 

 

Edited November 9, 2020 by Stuart_G

[Golftat]

I've used long sticks for more than 20 years...

Those are some of them. The center one G400 MAX@47 inch is my current gamer.

 

Left: G400 with ACCUFLEX Visoin 55 (X) @ 46 inch..

Head weight: 195g - head-only weight is 190g, weight removed, the screw 2g  and lead tape 3g. 

 

Center G400 MAX with Aerotech (S, tip cut 2 inches, plays XX) @47 inch. Head weight: 190g - head-only

 

Right: TearDrop TDX2010 (JDM only) with Max300 (Mitsubishi JDM only) @48. Head weight 190g. 

 

I've posted about those sticks in my blog, but unfortuneately,  those are in Japanse.

 

https://kimagurekyougigolf.com/senior12

 

When you are in market for new shaft for long drivers, ACCUFLEX Visoin 55 may be most affordable, yet very stable.  They offer 50-inch version Vision55, too, but when you put a standard 46 inch row shaft in most heads it will make 47 to 47.5 inch.

HOUSE OF FORGED shafts are good, too. The SUPER LIGHT is the lightet and recommended. 

[Adam C]

7 hours ago, Augster said:

Thanks!

 

I was thinking a 46” would be really close to the length, but I agree 47”would be better. 

If I’m usually a stiff shaft at 45”, do I still need stiff at 48”? Or do I go up a flex or down a flex? 
 

Thanks for the help!
 

 

I would maybe drop a flex for this sort of experiment and make sure it's a sub 60 gram shaft. Agree with Stuart that you will probably need to try and drop weight out of the head although who knows, you may find an extremely heavy head feel helps your game. 

I have anyways found that a longer club requires you to try and swing it slower with your body and let the length generate the speed which is another reason to drop a flex. The last thing you want with this kind of thing is going into it feeling like you need to swing for the fences with it. The longer the club, the better your timing needs to be. So if you start to force it, you can go off the rails before you even get started. 

 

[Colej]

Accuflex has some options in the longer lengths that will work. 
 

aerotech claymore is another option. 

[vadersfather]

Definitely try this! I just did this myself and it's been transformative! I took the matrix 49 gram shaft out of my beloved jetspeed driver and had a 2 inch extension installed. The problem was, as Stuart has said, with the jetspeed head 195 gram, the sw was e5.5! No way I could wield it. Terrible contact issues. So I grabbed my m1 head and removed both weights from it which dropped the headweight to 173 grams! BAM! Which dropped the sw to do/d1. Perfect as it turned out, but I had no idea how the head would feel with 25 grams removed from the bottom of the head. Well, it's now one of the best feeling heads I have used! Unreal man, you just don't know until you try Krazy s***! Haha, another side benefit is with the weights removed the launch angle/trajectory dropped dramatically, which  as it turned out is perfect because going to a 48 inch driver increases trajectory tons, at least it did for me! Do this man, you won't regret it. P.s. Adam is right, I feel like I'm swinging only 50 percent but the ball just flies! A bomb machine for sure✌️✌️

[DArnie]

2 hours ago, vadersfather said:

Definitely try this! I just did this myself and it's been transformative! I took the matrix 49 gram shaft out of my beloved jetspeed driver and had a 2 inch extension installed. The problem was, as Stuart has said, with the jetspeed head 195 gram, the sw was e5.5! No way I could wield it. Terrible contact issues. So I grabbed my m1 head and removed both weights from it which dropped the headweight to 173 grams! BAM! Which dropped the sw to do/d1. Perfect as it turned out, but I had no idea how the head would feel with 25 grams removed from the bottom of the head. Well, it's now one of the best feeling heads I have used! Unreal man, you just don't know until you try Krazy s***! Haha, another side benefit is with the weights removed the launch angle/trajectory dropped dramatically, which  as it turned out is perfect because going to a 48 inch driver increases trajectory tons, at least it did for me! Do this man, you won't regret it. P.s. Adam is right, I feel like I'm swinging only 50 percent but the ball just flies! A bomb machine for sure✌️✌️

What's the approximate distance gains from a standard length driver? AnyTrackman info? Would be interesting to see!

[vadersfather]

No trackman info, just hitting at my range that I have hit a billion balls at.

The back fence is 230 and I'm flying it now rather consistently compared to before just hitting the net on the fly before. I would say an honest 20/25 yards, legit. However, a large part of that is improved contact. I know, better contact with a much longer driver? Man, for me, I have tried every length from 46 down to 43 inch in a driver. And the shorter I went, the more my contact moved out toward the toe!! IDK why? But with the 48 inch I'm flushing it dead center and swinging much easier! So more speed because of the length and improved contact to boot. The other thing should mention, the total weight is only 297 grams, and sw is d0/ d1 so I'm able to hit multiple buckets of balls and still feel good! Long and light is the ticket for me ✌️✌️

[hardpan1]

Going to put this in play tomorrow...Krank Rage 7.5* at 47.5"...made several long drive clubs for a good friend a few years back, still have 3 but 2 are 6*...never hit any of them, we will see! ...will put a jumbomax on it 🙂

 

Edited October 18, 2020 by hardpan1
to add

[vadersfather]

Nice!! Let us know how it goes! Also, I have a dritac lt grip on mine, what do you feel the jumbo gives you, Im interested!!✌️

[Howard_Jones]

On 10/18/2020 at 1:35 AM, DArnie said:

What's the approximate distance gains from a standard length driver? AnyTrackman info? Would be interesting to see!

That depends on how much more club speed the longer club gives if anything at all, plus how good the player is able to maintain a high PTR or smash factor if you like.

For theoretical purpose we say we go 2 mph faster for each 0.5 longer shaft, or 4 mph pr inch, so the potential is let say 45" to 48" = 3 inch x 4 = 12 mph club speed each x 1.5 = 18 mph ball speed, each of 2 yards carry = 36 yards carry gained from 45" to 48" IF the player can keep max PTR value.

If PTR drops from 1.50 to 1.4, the player who had 100 with a 45" club and 112 mph with a 48" will know have this numbers

100 x 1.50 = 150 mph ball speed
112 x 1.50 =  168 ball speed
112 x 1.40 =  156 mph ball speed and bad dispersion

So, we have to try it off, we could end up with only 5-6 mph more ball speed even with full gain of club speed, but most have no chance to see a gain in club speed like this numbers shows, so its "numbers on the paper only" and useless real life

For a project like this i would have used a Grafalloy PL RED Supercharged, it compensate for about 1 inch longer without moving SW (up to 5+ SWP)

 

Edited October 19, 2020 by Howard_Jones

[BREWMASTER95060]

https://www.diamondtour.com/grafalloy-blackbird.html
$22 i got 4
there out.

 

https://www.ebay.com/i/401503144680?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D225074%26meid%3D9bd7809a5eec441791e2f0456100e324%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D284010582536%26itm%3D401503144680%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DGrafalloy

Edited October 20, 2020 by BREWMASTER95060

[BREWMASTER95060]

if you need less torque. 

https://www.monarkgolf.com/golf-components/shafts/graphite-golf-shafts/accuflex/accuflex-tantrum-pt-48-long-drive.html
if you need less torque. 
I use XX
get it here:
https://www.amazon.com/AccuFLEX-Tantrum-World-Drive-Shafts/dp/B00GRLBZ4G
or 
http://www.proseriesgolf.com/shafts/detailshafts.php?Prodnum=3599&topic=AccuFLEX Tantrum PT Nano 48

Edited October 20, 2020 by BREWMASTER95060

[Colej]

3 minutes ago, BREWMASTER95060 said:

if you need less torque. 

https://www.monarkgolf.com/golf-components/shafts/graphite-golf-shafts/accuflex/accuflex-tantrum-pt-48-long-drive.html
if you need less torque. 
I use XX
get it here:
https://www.amazon.com/AccuFLEX-Tantrum-World-Drive-Shafts/dp/B00GRLBZ4G
or 
http://www.proseriesgolf.com/shafts/detailshafts.php?Prodnum=3599&topic=AccuFLEX Tantrum PT Nano 48

All great suggestions but I’d be sort of wary about getting something from Pro Series Golf. The owner doesn’t update his website at all. 

[BREWMASTER95060]

Aldila longwood I bought 8 of these $5 each off Aldila ebay account.

[BREWMASTER95060]

 

Edited October 20, 2020 by BREWMASTER95060

[BREWMASTER95060]

 

[BREWMASTER95060]

both at 48"

[BREWMASTER95060]

https://www.accuflexgolfshafts.com/shafts/tantrum-pt.html

 

[Hack Daddy]

Stop worrying about swingweight and shaft profiles, "standard" club building theories, etc. 

 

I play my driver +2", 20g hotmelt in the head, and a 120g jumbomax grip. I've never hit the ball father or straighter. Do YOU! 

[Howard_Jones]

11 hours ago, BREWMASTER95060 said:

https://www.diamondtour.com/grafalloy-blackbird.html
$22 i got 4
there out.

 

https://www.ebay.com/i/401503144680?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D225074%26meid%3D9bd7809a5eec441791e2f0456100e324%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D284010582536%26itm%3D401503144680%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DGrafalloy

This shaft is crap, its infamous for breaking apart, dont buy it.
(its for good reasons its lifespan in production was very short)

My suggestion is even lower priced and has a higher BP
https://www.diamondtour.com/grafalloy-prolaunch-super-charged-wood-shafts.html

Edited October 20, 2020 by Howard_Jones

[Howard_Jones]

On 10/19/2020 at 2:50 PM, Howard_Jones said:

That depends on how much more club speed the longer club gives if anything at all, plus how good the player is able to maintain a high PTR or smash factor if you like.

For theoretical purpose we say we go 2 mph faster for each 0.5 longer shaft, or 4 mph pr inch, so the potential is let say 45" to 48" = 3 inch x 4 = 12 mph club speed each x 1.5 = 18 mph ball speed, each of 2 yards carry = 36 yards carry gained from 45" to 48" IF the player can keep max PTR value.

If PTR drops from 1.50 to 1.4, the player who had 100 with a 45" club and 112 mph with a 48" will know have this numbers

100 x 1.50 = 150 mph ball speed
112 x 1.50 =  168 ball speed
112 x 1.40 =  156 mph ball speed and bad dispersion

So, we have to try it off, we could end up with only 5-6 mph more ball speed even with full gain of club speed, but most have no chance to see a gain in club speed like this numbers shows, so its "numbers on the paper only" and useless real life

For a project like this i would have used a Grafalloy PL RED Supercharged, it compensate for about 1 inch longer without moving SW (up to 5+ SWP)

 

im quoiting myself since the numbers im showing you can be used for the daily question:  "how much can i gain or lose from going longer or shorter"

As you can see, 3 inch gives a "potential" of 36 yards, so 1 inch is a potential of 12 yards and 0.5 inch becomes 6 yards gained or lost....on the paper.

However, what we most often see is this Scenario
- Now 45" club speed 100, Smash factor 1.43 = 143 mph ball speed
Going shorter to 44.50" might give this numbers
- New PL 44.50 = 98 club speed, smash 1.50 = 147 mph ball speed

We gained 4 mph ball speed, each give average 2 yards = 8 yards more carry by going shorter instead of longer if thats what it takes to maximize smash factor


 

Edited October 20, 2020 by Howard_Jones

[hardpan1]

On 10/18/2020 at 8:35 PM, vadersfather said:

Nice!! Let us know how it goes! Also, I have a dritac lt grip on mine, what do you feel the jumbo gives you, Im interested!!✌️

Tried the Krank 7.5* Rage and while I hit it good, I'm afraid my measly 100mph does't get the Pop required to max out that long drive head, will continue 'research' 🙂 

The Jumbomax gives the club excellent stability.

Edited October 20, 2020 by hardpan1

[Colej]

2 hours ago, hardpan1 said:

Tried the Krank 7.5* Rage and while I hit it good, I'm afraid my measly 100mph does't get the Pop required to max out that long drive head, will continue 'research' 🙂 

The Jumbomax gives the club excellent stability.

Did you use the Tour grip or lite grip? 

[hardpan1]

4 hours ago, Colej said:

Did you use the Tour grip or lite grip? 

Went with the Tour as that's what I have on my regular Epic SZ, might get more action with the light?

[BREWMASTER95060]

18 hours ago, Howard_Jones said:

This shaft is crap, its infamous for breaking apart, dont buy it.
(its for good reasons its lifespan in production was very short)

My suggestion is even lower priced and has a higher BP
https://www.diamondtour.com/grafalloy-prolaunch-super-charged-wood-shafts.html

Hi Howard,
blackbird did not like it.
I did not like it.

Edited October 21, 2020 by BREWMASTER95060

[Howard_Jones]

2 minutes ago, BREWMASTER95060 said:

Hi Howard,
I did not like it.

RED or BLUE?

How did it "work" in terms of SW value
(what play length and head weight)

I never saw specs for a really long driver made using any of those.

But sure, if we dont like it its really trash, price tag want matter, it only tells how much we lost 🙂