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3 hours ago, NotThatGuyorAmI? said:

People can’t hit a 5 iron.  Must be all the game improvement stuff has made them harder to hit.

 

Reminds me of the days maybe 25 years ago when my boss used Callaway Heavenwood (7) and Divine Nine (9).

 

At one time I played a Adams Tight Lies with 28 degrees with a shaft that must have been 4 or 5 inches longer than my 5 iron, which at that time was my 150 yards club.   Dropped it as my distances increased. If I still played it I would probably never have learned to hit my irons longer, which would be bad since my irons are much more consistent.

 

A club that can be hit with poor technique is not in my book a good thing.

 

And the funny thing is as far as I can tell people still can’t hit their GI irons and hybrids much better than we used to hit say Tommy 

Armour 845’s.  The slice still predominates followed by the grounder.

In the early 90’s I could hit a 3 iron no problem.  Those 845’s were great.  While I agree with you some, the modern balls just seem harder to hit with longer irons.  I don’t think that learning to hit a hybrid or fairway wood is bad technique so much as different technique.  I can’t see why anyone who doesn’t have serious club head speed would hit a 4 iron or below.  It just seems unnecessarily  difficult.

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I replaced my 5 iron with a 5 hybrid. I find it far easier to hit than my 5 iron. I also took my 6 iron out of the bag so now my longest iron is a 7. I now carry a 3, 4, and 5 hybrid since they're so

Last year I took my 3,4,5,6 irons out of my bag and replaced them with 4,5,6 hybrids. My long iron game has improved tremendously. Way fewer miss hits and my misses are always close to the green. I am

5i? That's so last month    6h is where the fun is at

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Top end of my bag goes: driver, 3w, 5w, 3h, 5i.

I dropped the 4i and skipped to a weak 3h because that's where my distances started bunching up.

There was no use in keeping the 4i or finding a 4h for that spot to cover the distance gap. Forget loft numbers.

I hit my 5i right on 155. 3.5h is 165-170. 5w is 180-185. 3w right on 200, and the driver gets out to 215-220.

My 5i is very accurate, the 3h is great off the tee or out of rough, and 5w is the long easy fairway club if the extra 3w distance can't reach and isn't worth it.

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Cally apex gen1 5h at 26* is awesome ....

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I actually just had my first round with a 5 iron that replaced my 5 iron and I have to say I was very happy with the results.  I normally carry my 5 iron about 180 with a medium trajectory that rolls out some and I was able to get that same yardage with the 5 hybrid and it just stopped like a wedge when it landed.

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I have used a five hybrid for several years. More versatile from rough and sand than a five iron.

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I love my g410 #4 hybrid (22*) and am now interviewing an Adams #5 (25*) hybrid.

 

I'm blown away by the height and carry of the #5 hybrid - it's my 175-180 yd. club and I never thought I could get the results like this.

 

I also like to do putt-chipping with it when the opportunity arises.

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I ditched my 5 iron for a Ping G410 hybrid. Reason being it's easier to hit and gets up way higher. It's a no brainer for me.

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12 hours ago, NotThatGuyorAmI? said:

 

 

A club that can be hit with poor technique is not in my book a good thing.

 

 

I disagree. A club that yields decent results with a less than optimal strike is a GREAT thing for amateur golfers!

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I thought i would never put a 5 iron in the bag until I got a set of Ping G 700's, they are all hybrids to some extent. I can actually hit this 5 iron, amazing. My hybrids are longer though, but with the 700's, not by much. I will probably put the 6 hybrid back in the bag, for those days the irons do not cooperate, but right now I trust my irons more, and that is very unusual.

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I currently have a 5 hybrid and a 5 iron in the bag, 818h1 at 25 degrees and p770 at 25 degrees, but one goes 193 or so, the other 182. I’m looking at dhy 5 iron also at 25 to replace the p770, but it’s 3/4 longer stock, so it will likely fly in mid 180s. I’ll look to either shorten it, or bring the 818h1 to 24.

 

my next hybrid is 21 818h1, set to 20. I’m considering also bring it up to 23, dropping 25 h1 and putting either a 5  Wood or 19 degree hybrid in the bag. 
 

for me the gapping at this end of the bag is an issue, as is how easy the clubs are to hit. I’m only generally hitting 3w-5i, once a round or so.  Need them to be nailed on yardage and ultra easy to hit out of any lie. 
 

I’m also considering dropping my 56 wedge to allow me carry 2 clubs with similar yardages for different shots at his end. 
 

I hit my p770 5 iron fine, it’s just not as versatile as hybrid/driving iron options. 
 

 

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Trouble with a 5h you love, you never hit 6 iron

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I have gotten a Mizuno Fli-Hi hybrid 5...What that I like about this hybrids, the are replacements for irons...they have the same length to the iron...I hit it with easy , great trajectory and is gapped just perfect for me...

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On 10/17/2020 at 8:08 AM, Abe21599 said:

never a bad idea to have both a 5i and 5h options in the trunk, just gotta watch lofts


and shaft length...

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For several seasons I've gamed 4 (21-23°), 5 (24-25°) and my first iron is usually a 26-27° 6 iron and 4° progression through the rest of the set. I read some time ago that Jim Furyk said amateur golfers don't carry enough hybrids and he believes that every hybrid in the bag would shave 2-4 stokes per round. 

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I was fit for my current set of irons and we dropped the 5 iron and went with a 5H.  I really do not use my 6 iron much and am thinking about dropping that so that I can bring back a lob wedge.  

Driver _____ Ping G400 Max
Woods ____ Ping G410 3 & 5 
Hybrids ___ Ping  G410 4H & Titleist 818H1 5H
Irons ______ Titleist 718 AP1 6-W
Wedges ___ Titleist Vokey SM8 52.08F & 56.08S
Putter _____ Rife 400 Mid Mallet - Testing Cleveland Huntington Beach Soft Premier 11 (33")
Ball _______ Snell MTB-X Yellow / Srixon Q-Star Tour Yellow
Bag _______ Datrek Lite Rider
Distance __ GPS:  Bushnell NEO Ghost,  Rangefinder:  Precision Pro NX7 Pro
GHIN ______ HCP floats between 10 and 12

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While it certainly will be more forgiving and easier to hit (even ignoring the longer shaft), to me the decision is not quite that simple. I say that thinking about other shots you need- like extricating yourself from the trees. You can’t hit a 6i low and very far and I find hybrids tough to hit hard and still keep low. Most tend to swing too hard which brings up spin into the tree you are trying to avoid. Do you have the discipline to just chip out and take it?
 

if you do it I would at least consider carrying a 4i to extricate yourself from the trees. You may find you hit the 3 and 4 hybrid similar distances and don’t need both so that would give you the space for it. Something to think about. 
 

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On 10/17/2020 at 1:20 AM, erikro said:

I love my 5 hybrid. Just ordered a set of G410s. 4H, 5H, 6H, 7-sw.

Love it. I’m holding out for the new 425s but plan to order 4 and 5H in those as soon as they drop 

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Driver _____ Ping G400 Max
Woods ____ Ping G410 3 & 5 
Hybrids ___ Ping  G410 4H & Titleist 818H1 5H
Irons ______ Titleist 718 AP1 6-W
Wedges ___ Titleist Vokey SM8 52.08F & 56.08S
Putter _____ Rife 400 Mid Mallet - Testing Cleveland Huntington Beach Soft Premier 11 (33")
Ball _______ Snell MTB-X Yellow / Srixon Q-Star Tour Yellow
Bag _______ Datrek Lite Rider
Distance __ GPS:  Bushnell NEO Ghost,  Rangefinder:  Precision Pro NX7 Pro
GHIN ______ HCP floats between 10 and 12

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5 hours ago, golfandtennisfan said:

While it certainly will be more forgiving and easier to hit (even ignoring the longer shaft), to me the decision is not quite that simple. I say that thinking about other shots you need- like extricating yourself from the trees. You can’t hit a 6i low and very far and I find hybrids tough to hit hard and still keep low. Most tend to swing too hard which brings up spin into the tree you are trying to avoid. Do you have the discipline to just chip out and take it?
 

if you do it I would at least consider carrying a 4i to extricate yourself from the trees. You may find you hit the 3 and 4 hybrid similar distances and don’t need both so that would give you the space for it. Something to think about. 
 

 

 

I use my 3 Wood to chip out from under trees.  

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Driver _____ Ping G400 Max
Woods ____ Ping G410 3 & 5 
Hybrids ___ Ping  G410 4H & Titleist 818H1 5H
Irons ______ Titleist 718 AP1 6-W
Wedges ___ Titleist Vokey SM8 52.08F & 56.08S
Putter _____ Rife 400 Mid Mallet - Testing Cleveland Huntington Beach Soft Premier 11 (33")
Ball _______ Snell MTB-X Yellow / Srixon Q-Star Tour Yellow
Bag _______ Datrek Lite Rider
Distance __ GPS:  Bushnell NEO Ghost,  Rangefinder:  Precision Pro NX7 Pro
GHIN ______ HCP floats between 10 and 12

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6 hours ago, golfandtennisfan said:

While it certainly will be more forgiving and easier to hit (even ignoring the longer shaft), to me the decision is not quite that simple. I say that thinking about other shots you need- like extricating yourself from the trees. You can’t hit a 6i low and very far and I find hybrids tough to hit hard and still keep low. Most tend to swing too hard which brings up spin into the tree you are trying to avoid. Do you have the discipline to just chip out and take it?
 

if you do it I would at least consider carrying a 4i to extricate yourself from the trees. You may find you hit the 3 and 4 hybrid similar distances and don’t need both so that would give you the space for it. Something to think about. 
 

 

Bah. Of course you can. My lowest lofted iron is a 7 iron, and I can punch out like the best of them. Simply play the ball back in your stance a bit, and/or forward press, and the ball comes out low.

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Ditched my 5 iron several years ago. I use a 23* Adams Pro hybrid in it's place.

 

The key for me was using an iron-like hybrid that I can hit clean out of the rough, punch out of trouble and still control trajectory and spin going into par 3's off the tee. There's a bit of a distance gap between this club and my 6 iron, choking down 1 inch cuts that gap in half no problem though.

 

Does it feel odd having less irons in my bag than all my playing partners? Yes. Do I beat them every time because I've taken my ego out of the bag? Yes.

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Ditched my hybrids due to looooong hooking shots. Additionally I find irons much easier to use out of the rough (which is where I am enough  times on my drives to matter). 

 

This post makes me want to pull them out again after 2 years and see what happens. My game has gotten much better.

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In general I concur with the main idea in this thread.

 

I would reiterate that you need to pay attention to loft and distance, not just the number on the club. A 5h does not necessarily replace a 5i, particularly for newer game improvement (GI) irons.

 

From this thread, I can pull a couple of examples. One poster plays Callaway X14, another Apex 19. The 6i in the Apex 19 set will go as far as 5i in the X14 set, even though the latter has a 1/2" longer shaft.

 

The break point between last iron and first hybrid will depend on your swing speed and ability to compress/flight the ball with the irons. I have an average driver swing speed of 95, and I carry my 26 degree Mizuno HM 6i 163 yards. I skip 5h and 5i and go to Ping G410 4h set to 23.5 degrees. I have a short-ish 27 degree 5h that goes the same distance as my 6i, but currently I am hitting the 6i pretty well, and straighter than the 5h.

 

I'm not sure I saw it in anyone else's posting here:  A hybrid needs to have more loft than the iron it replaces.

 

I cannot imagine playing a GI 5i unless my swing speed were to increase by 5 mph (goal for the winter!).

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