Lacking ballspeed on driver

[andrewk8]

17 hours ago, nsxguy said:

 

Angle of Attack issue ? Smash 1.43. Better than the OP but still kind of low. Perhaps hitting with a descending blow ?

 

Got spin rates ? Launch angle ?

Angle of attack is something I've never really looked at with driver.  Launch angle is always around 12 or 13 with spin in and around 2400.  Overall I am very happy with my center strike ability however on trackman specifically my ballspeed seems to hover at 160 and that's the max.  We shall see in the winter months if I am going to switch to a lighter shaft (thinking Motore X 6x or Tensei Pro Blue)

[copperjeff]

3 hours ago, Krt22 said:

 

What ball and what environment (indoor or out)

Outside into a net. Regular balls. Even took out a new zstar just to make sure

[Krt22]

20 minutes ago, copperjeff said:

Outside into a net. Regular balls. Even took out a new zstar just to make sure

I never got reliable data with driver when I had the Mevo, I couldn't even get solid data indoors with irons. I would try to get on a more powerful monitor before diving too deep into it

[copperjeff]

11 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

I never got reliable data with driver when I had the Mevo, I couldn't even get solid data indoors with irons. I would try to get on a more powerful monitor before diving too deep into it

I appreciate the advice. They are supposed to be fairly reliable for ball speeds, but maybe going into a net just isnt any good. Ill drag it to the range next time i go

[Krt22]

30 minutes ago, copperjeff said:

I appreciate the advice. They are supposed to be fairly reliable for ball speeds, but maybe going into a net just isnt any good. Ill drag it to the range next time i go

There is also the possibility that you have a swing flaw that is amplified with driver. I was in a similar boat where I was consistently swinging 6i 92-93ish (127-130 ball speed), but driver was peaking sub 110. It took some concerted effort with my swing to get driver speed where one would expect (113-114). When I start losing speed/distance with driver, it's usually for the same reason, where I am falling into my old bad habits that disproportionately impact my driver speed

[nsxguy]

3 hours ago, andrewk8 said:

Angle of attack is something I've never really looked at with driver.  Launch angle is always around 12 or 13 with spin in and around 2400.  Overall I am very happy with my center strike ability however on trackman specifically my ballspeed seems to hover at 160 and that's the max.  We shall see in the winter months if I am going to switch to a lighter shaft (thinking Motore X 6x or Tensei Pro Blue)

 

Take a look at Red's post on the first page about "dplane". I'd not heard of dplane until recently but I had thought about the concept of getting the ball speed a bit higher as it seemed to me the club face would be making more of a direct impact the closer it got to being in line with the launch. That's a clumsy way of saying it but,,,,,,,,,,,

 

Your launch and spin aren't bad at all and smash of 1.43 isn't terrible but it should be a bit higher; around 1.46 or 7. That would give you another 5 mph or so or ball speed, 'round about 7-8 more yards carry.

 

Might be worth a bit of an experiment to try to increase your AoA a little bit. That would probably increase your ball speed and launch angle a little bit while lowering your spin a little as well.

 

Maybe experiment with just try a tiny bit more spine tilt away from your target. All the rest being the same that should bring your AoA up a bit.

 

This pic is from flightscope.com 165mph (bit less than 1.5 smash), roughly where you should be, launching a bit higher at 14 with spin a bit lower at 2000.

 

 

 

[Stuart_G]

9 hours ago, nsxguy said:

 

Take a look at Red's post on the first page about "dplane". I'd not heard of dplane until recently but I had thought about the concept of getting the ball speed a bit higher as it seemed to me the club face would be making more of a direct impact the closer it got to being in line with the launch. That's a clumsy way of saying it but,,,,,,,,,,,

 

Your launch and spin aren't bad at all and smash of 1.43 isn't terrible but it should be a bit higher; around 1.46 or 7. That would give you another 5 mph or so or ball speed, 'round about 7-8 more yards carry.

 

Might be worth a bit of an experiment to try to increase your AoA a little bit. That would probably increase your ball speed and launch angle a little bit while lowering your spin a little as well.

 

Maybe experiment with just try a tiny bit more spine tilt away from your target. All the rest being the same that should bring your AoA up a bit.

 

This pic is from flightscope.com 165mph (bit less than 1.5 smash), roughly where you should be, launching a bit higher at 14 with spin a bit lower at 2000.

 

 

 

 

IF launch angle and spin and impact location on the face is good - then AoA is NOT the cause for the low smash factor.   More am's are likely to screw up their swing trying to increase AoA (without proper instruction) than they are to improve the results.

[Red4282]

3 hours ago, Stuart_G said:

 

IF launch angle and spin and impact location on the face is good - then AoA is NOT the cause for the low smash factor.   More am's are likely to screw up their swing trying to increase AoA (without proper instruction) than they are to improve the results.

Yes, just increasing AOA, doesnt mean a decrease in dplane. Usually when people try they just tilt the angle. To effectively change it, mechanical changes in the swing need to be made. If spin is at 2400 ( @andrewk8) at those speeds, dplane is not an issue. To the OP, we still dont know what your spin numbers are, so dplane could be an issue. Another thing to note on trackman, if you look at the chart howard shared, geometric center is not the ideal place to strike. It is the most EFFICIENT (assuming cog is also geometric center) at 1.5 smash. But toe side offers more ball speed because the toe side is being swung faster even though its smash is lower. This explains to some extent why trackman can get such high smash numbers. If a ball is struck toe side and the swing speed is measured at geometric center, it will provide an inflated smash. Combine this with some heads such as SIM or g410, where cog is toeside of center, it will inflate the smash even more so.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Red4282

[nsxguy]

5 hours ago, Stuart_G said:

 

IF launch angle and spin and impact location on the face is good - then AoA is NOT the cause for the low smash factor.   More am's are likely to screw up their swing trying to increase AoA (without proper instruction) than they are to improve the results.

 

Agree and agree.

 

That's why I suggested "experiment", "little" and "tiny" (changes). SMALL changes and see how it works.

[Stuart_G]

2 hours ago, nsxguy said:

 

Agree and agree.

 

That's why I suggested "experiment", "little" and "tiny" (changes). SMALL changes and see how it works.

 

Never hurts to experiment.

[Noodler]

A cracked head could be a possibility, but another possibility is that you just have a "lemon".  There are manufacturing tolerances that result in variances in the performance of driver heads.  Just like we can sometimes find a "hot" head, you can also run into "cold" ones.  I have run into this situation a few times when dealing with replacement heads.  It's quite obvious that there are differences in performance directly attributable to the specific head.

 

So there are differences between heads of the same model coming off the same manufacturing line.  This is why it is often recommended that if you have the opportunity to buy the actual head you hit in a demo then do so.  There's no guarantee that the head you receive in a final build will produce the same performance as the head hit at the demo/fitting.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Noodler