The Match III: Phil + Chuck vs Steph + Payton

[MUNIGRIT]

1 hour ago, Fairway14 said:

 

Andre Iguodala has played lots of rounds of golf with Curry and during yesterday's broadcast he made a few comments questioning Curry's handicap. 

He said he never plays like that when they play and always takes their money.

[Fairway14]

17 hours ago, BobMorris said:

They almost always are.

 

Larry Fitzgerald is an exception. Unlike most of the celebrity athletes who maintain bragging handicaps, Fitzgerald keeps a betting handicap.

[miamistomp]

13 hours ago, Mustard_Tiger said:

Is it over? Judging by the lack of interest in this thread I'd say The Match III may have killed the franchise.

 

No Tiger, no interest.

 No Golfers no interest

   

[SEP1006]

I started watching it ( recorded it first ) and then after about 45 minutes just fast-forwarded to the actual shots. I got so tired of listening to Phil describe in detail how he planned to hit every shot. I've always liked Phil for his aggressive play on tour but this was just to much for me.

 

As far as the others:

Manning - always enjoy him, has such a dry sense of humor

 

Curry - I 've seen him play in the Tahoe event and he just didn't have his best day. 

 

Barkley - Always enjoy listening to him. A lot of people can learn from him as he can always criticize / laugh at himself first before doing the same to others. Also no one deserves more than him to play better. As bad as he has been with the stutter in his swing he has always played in celebrity events knowing how bad he is and putting it out there for all to see. KUDOS to Barkley!!!!!! 

 

[Medson]

This staged program is not for everyone, but I thought Match 3 is highly entertaining. 
 

Barkley and Phil made a good and fun team. The opposition needs a pro. Period. 

[Fairway14]

On 10/29/2020 at 2:52 PM, deadsolid...shank said:

They need to get Michal Jordan in one of these. 

 

Jordan is notorious for having an absurd 1 or 2 bragging handicap. My guess he loves golf and is comfortable having private games but does not want his swing or score on television for public consumption.

[Fairway14]

3 minutes ago, Medson said:

. The opposition needs a pro. Period. 

 I agree and believe this is the takeaway from yesterday's match.

[Medson]

1 minute ago, Fairway14 said:

 I agree and believe this is the takeaway from yesterday's match.

For a course like yesterday’s, a pro probably can shoot an even par in his WORST day. Definitely can’t say the same for a scratch golfer. 

[Fairway14]

1 minute ago, Medson said:

For a course like yesterday’s, a pro probably can shoot an even par in his WORST day. Definitely can’t say the same for a scratch golfer. 

 

I believe the reality is that few "scratch golfers" actually post all their scores. It's common for some 0's and plus handicaps to make an early double bogey or two and declare that day to be a "practice round, not for positing". There have always been handicaps for betting and handicaps for bragging.

[MUNIGRIT]

13 minutes ago, Fairway14 said:

 

Jordan is notorious for having an absurd 1 or 2 bragging handicap. My guess he loves golf and is comfortable having private games but does not want his swing or score on television for public consumption.

He has done TV before. They played one of the USO setups to see if they could break a certain score. I think it was Oakmont and Big Ben played. I dont remember the outcome but he shot a lot.

[Nels55]

8 hours ago, Sean2 said:

I was wondering the same thing. I played 9 holes once on an empty course with a cart and it took me 50 minutes. Just more hyperbole. 

 

As to Curry's HI, maybe he was having an off day, maybe it was nerves, maybe a combination of the two? We've all shot bad rounds that do not reflect our HI. 

It does sound like a bit of an exaggeration but they do have super fast carts which would make a difference.  The pro at the course where I play once told me that he has played 18 holes in about and hour by himself using a cart.  When you don't hit very many shots it does tend to go a bit quicker.  They obviously could not have spent much time putting!  

[dalehead]

On 11/26/2020 at 7:12 PM, tw_focus said: I have an insider who saw Chuck swing lately and he tells me there's no improvement since spring. So I expect the same old chuck unfortunately (well not unfortunately for me because I have money on the other side).

 Another bet you lost, added to the 3 houses you’ve lost this year betting on Tiger in the majors.

[wobgon]

17 hours ago, Prodot said:

Curry has Apex Pro double dots in the bag.  Man has good taste.

Yea, great taste....How bout those pants.....

[bscinstnct]

I think SC shot 71-86 in a web.com event.

 

 

From what I saw he has some great game but he hit an odd hook and terrible bunker shot and some putts that call that + into question. 
 

Then again, not bad for golf being a hobby ; )

[LeoLeo99]

6 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

I think SC shot 71-86 in a web.com event.

 

 

From what I saw he has some great game but he hit an odd hook and terrible bunker shot and some putts that call that + into question. 
 

Then again, not bad for golf being a hobby ; )

Yes, 71-86 in one event and I think 74, 74 in another.  Solid player.  Not seeing +1 though.  Or my expectations of +1 are incorrect.  

[Qqq123xx]

Phil overanalyzing everything just gets to be to much. 

Barkley's self depreciating humor is the best.

Hey Steph what were those Inspector Gadget shoes?

Manning would be a seriously fun guy to play with. 

[Sean2]

2 hours ago, SEP1006 said:

I started watching it ( recorded it first ) and then after about 45 minutes just fast-forwarded to the actual shots. I got so tired of listening to Phil describe in detail how he planned to hit every shot. I've always liked Phil for his aggressive play on tour but this was just to much for me.

 

As far as the others:

Manning - always enjoy him, has such a dry sense of humor

 

Curry - I 've seen him play in the Tahoe event and he just didn't have his best day. 

 

Barkley - Always enjoy listening to him. A lot of people can learn from him as he can always criticize / laugh at himself first before doing the same to others. Also no one deserves more than him to play better. As bad as he has been with the stutter in his swing he has always played in celebrity events knowing how bad he is and putting it out there for all to see. KUDOS to Barkley!!!!!! 

 

And, props to Barkley for sticking with it. Many people would have probably quit the game. 

[llewol007]

Watching the match yesterday reminded me of when me and my two golf buddies took on an inspiring mini tour player. He wiped the course with us. Funny how you think 3 chances at a shot will give you a chance but it show how the skill level is way way way way way different. Manning, Curry and Charles hoping to hit a great shot while Phil hits great shots and if not, he will hit one on the next shot. Really cool watching Phil give Charles pointers during the round. I wish we had a partner like that during our round. 

[Sean2]

1 hour ago, Nels55 said:

It does sound like a bit of an exaggeration but they do have super fast carts which would make a difference.  The pro at the course where I play once told me that he has played 18 holes in about and hour by himself using a cart.  When you don't hit very many shots it does tend to go a bit quicker.  They obviously could not have spent much time putting!  

One guy in an hour I can believe, but as I understand it it wasn't just one person playing. 

[bajadock]

[BlackDiamondPar5]

3 hours ago, SEP1006 said:

I started watching it ( recorded it first ) and then after about 45 minutes just fast-forwarded to the actual shots. I got so tired of listening to Phil describe in detail how he planned to hit every shot. I've always liked Phil for his aggressive play on tour but this was just to much for me.

 

As far as the others:

Manning - always enjoy him, has such a dry sense of humor

 

Curry - I 've seen him play in the Tahoe event and he just didn't have his best day. 

 

Barkley - Always enjoy listening to him. A lot of people can learn from him as he can always criticize / laugh at himself first before doing the same to others. Also no one deserves more than him to play better. As bad as he has been with the stutter in his swing he has always played in celebrity events knowing how bad he is and putting it out there for all to see. KUDOS to Barkley!!!!!! 

 

I agree except for your take on Phil. I think it's awesome to hear from one of the most accomplished players of all time share his insight and process. The Golf Channel had a whole series based on playing lessons with the pro. Really no different. 

 

I actually watched every minute of this event and liked it all. The course is beautiful as well, though it would probably be painful to play regularly. 

[golfandfishing]

2 hours ago, LeoLeo99 said:

Yes, 71-86 in one event and I think 74, 74 in another.  Solid player.  Not seeing +1 though.  Or my expectations of +1 are incorrect.  

For a guy like Curry who is likely not playing the local public rated at 70.8/108 he could easily get to +1 without ever breaking par in a casual round. I don’t know where he plays, but I’m assuming his home course is rated 72 or higher. He could easily post 72 twice, 73 five times, 74 twice and another two 72’s plus three rounds of 80 and be a +1 if he plays somewhere like Fountaingrove Club and those are T scores. 

 

A guy playing your local club rated at 71/110 who regularly posts rounds under par to get to +1 is better suited to competition than a +1 that likes to shoot 74 a bunch. 

Edited November 28, 2020 by golfandfishing

[Fairway14]

3 minutes ago, golfandfishing said:

 I don’t know where he plays, but I’m assuming his home course is rated 72 or higher

 

Curry is a member of California Golf Club, South San Francisco.

 

https://www.calclub.org/#course

[FakeClubPro]

4 hours ago, Fairway14 said:

 

Jordan is notorious for having an absurd 1 or 2 bragging handicap. My guess he loves golf and is comfortable having private games but does not want his swing or score on television for public consumption.

Lots of stories about him with private games.  None of them are good.  I will not repeat them.

[golfandfishing]

12 minutes ago, Fairway14 said:

 

Curry is a member of California Golf Club, South San Francisco.

 

https://www.calclub.org/#course

73.2/139. He could get to +1 without ever seeing the underside of par. It’s not likely, I’d think a +1 would crack par a few times but the math works.  I also see they want pace of play at 3:45. These guys were over 4 hours and didn’t come close to a full 18 holes.  Bottom line:  Curry is a good golfer, but there are phenomenal golfers that will get waxed by average tour players on a stage. Tour players are better than phenomenal, Hall of Famers are better than that. 

[Nels55]

Here is a look at Steph's scores:

[8602081]

2 hours ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

I agree except for your take on Phil. I think it's awesome to hear from one of the most accomplished players of all time share his insight and process. The Golf Channel had a whole series based on playing lessons with the pro. Really no different. 

 

I actually watched every minute of this event and liked it all. The course is beautiful as well, though it would probably be painful to play regularly. 

 

I've enjoyed as well..

I actually laughed out loud few times..

Much better than other challenge matches..

 

 

 

[Murphy76]

2 hours ago, FakeClubPro said:

Lots of stories about him with private games.  None of them are good.  I will not repeat them.

 

I wish you would...

[golfandfishing]

3 hours ago, Nels55 said:

Here is a look at Steph's scores:

This looks like a pretty typical +1s score history. I’m not sure why folks think a +1 doesn’t chop it around every so often. 

[Nels55]

43 minutes ago, golfandfishing said:

This looks like a pretty typical +1s score history. I’m not sure why folks think a +1 doesn’t chop it around every so often. 

 

I suspect that if these folks golfed with Curry when he shot the 79 would say that he had a vanity handicap and if they golfed with him when he shot the 65 would say that he is a sand bagger.  LOL you just can't win some some folks...  Anyway as you mentioned Steph's score history looks legit.  He is a rather honest person from what I have seen and read so I believe that he posts exactly what he shoots.  He is going to drop the -6.5 diff from when he shot 65 in a couple of rounds so his index may well go up unless he has another stellar round.