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Last summer I finally bit the bullet and bought new irons. I had been consistently shooting in Mid-80’s and decided to reward my hard work. My low score last spring was an 82. I figured now that I had consistency down, adding distance was the piece of my game that was missing. 
 

I was fit for a set T300’s with Project X LZ 120’s in 6.0 - I gained a considerable amount of distance, and can consistently hit draws and a baby cut. During my fitting I tried the Mavricks, JPX 919, and G410 - the T300’s were the most consistent on the monitor (indoor fitting - first mistake) so I pulled the trigger. I didn’t think I was good enough to try the T200’s or T100’s so I didn’t bother. 
 

The question I’m posing is: has anyone else seen their scores go up and GIR go down when switching to distance irons? In my old set of Callaways my 7 iron was consistently 150-155 yards. With the T300’s my 7 iron flys anywhere from 150-185, with the rest of my set having outrageous distance disparity, making my approach shots a total crap shoot. If you strike the ball even a centimeter away from the sweetspot it goes 150, in the sweet spot, the ball literally explodes off the face and goes 185. I have a relatively moderate tempo and prefer heavier, tip and butt stiff shafts so I don’t think my shafts are the issue. My reward for shooting in the 80’s bought me rounds in the mid 90’s 😞 
 

Had anyone else had this problem or made the switch back to normal, or even players irons after trying a distance iron? 
 

Is there a greater chance that this is a swing mechanics issue and not a club issue....are their techniques to finding consistency with “hot” irons? 

 

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I played approximately 50 rounds of golf with a set of Ping G700 irons. The clubs produced tremendous distance and it was fun to swing a 9 or 8 iron instead of a 7-iron. However, I sold the G700's because the shots did not have reliable carry distance control. I went back to using my previous iron set, Mizuno MP 63, and my iron shot carry distance control returned.

 

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Not gonna join the snarky replies, instead I’m really curious.

With your Callaways, did you have less front to back dispersion throughout the set?

Have you gotten used to the new sticks to know their tendencies when thinning or toeing shots?

Is this happening from fairway lies or mostly out of the rough, i.e. potential flyer lies?

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1 hour ago, PJF7789 said:


 

The question I’m posing is: has anyone else seen their scores go up and GIR go down when switching to distance irons?

 

 

Yes. 80% of the time my miss of the green was long. sometimes as much as 20 yards of carry too long. I played the set of distance irons (G700)for about a year could never be sure how far the irons shots were going to carry, I tried expecting the extra distance and started clubbing down to play for the extra distance, but the super extra carry yardage was not consistent. About half the shots would carry what I expecting and the other half went extra long, anywhere from a yard or two to as much as twenty yards too long.

The bottom line on distance irons is that they do what they were designed to do , which is produce extra distance.

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1 hour ago, Fairway14 said:

I played approximately 50 rounds of golf with a set of Ping G700 irons. The clubs produced tremendous distance and it was fun to swing a 9 or 8 iron instead of a 7-iron. However, I sold the G700's because the shots did not have reliable carry distance control. I went back to using my previous iron set, Mizuno MP 63, and my iron shot carry distance control returned.

 

Thanks for this! I've felt a little crazy for thinking I want to go back to my old irons after dropping $1100 w/ tax on a new set....

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41 minutes ago, LukeDonaldsTiger said:

Not gonna join the snarky replies, instead I’m really curious.

With your Callaways, did you have less front to back dispersion throughout the set?

Have you gotten used to the new sticks to know their tendencies when thinning or toeing shots?

Is this happening from fairway lies or mostly out of the rough, i.e. potential flyer lies?

1. Much less front to back dispersion with my callys - my miss is a fade about 15 yards offline. For the most part, I had decent 10-15 yard gapings from 4-PW. 

 

2. I've played about 20 rounds with the T300's and I guess I'm used to them? I'm consistently clubbing up out of fear I have another explosion off the face. One of the hardest things to get used to was learning to chip and pitch with my 52 vokey. In my old set, I played 70% of my 50 yard and in shots with my 45* Pitching Wedge, reserving my 52 for full shots and 58 for sand/occasional lob shot. The face on my T300 PW is super hot, and even with a quarter swing explodes off the ball. 

 

3. I don't think this is unique to just "hot" clubs, but out of rough I lose a lot of distance. Firm conditions the ball rockets, soft conditions is a crapshoot of rocket shots and normal shots. 

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26 minutes ago, Fairway14 said:

 

Yes. 80% of the time my miss of the green was long. sometimes as much as 20 yards of carry too long. I played the set of distance irons (G700)for about a year could never be sure how far the irons shots were going to carry, I tried expecting the extra distance and started clubbing down to play for the extra distance, but the super extra carry yardage was not consistent. About half the shots would carry what I expecting and the other half went extra long, anywhere from a yard or two to as much as twenty yards too long.

The bottom line on distance irons is that they do what they were designed to do , which is produce extra distance.

This is the exact issue I'm having. At my club, the tee box for the 9th hole is about 40 yards directly behind the 4th green, separated by a small hut with restrooms and an icemaker.  I was 165 out last Friday, hit a soft six iron and landed directly on the 9th tee box....with people standing on it waiting to tee off. 

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1 minute ago, Krt22 said:

Yep, time for blades. 160 on a pure one and 130 on a thin one here we come! 

Not in my lifetime. 

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21 minutes ago, PJF7789 said:

Thanks for this! I've felt a little crazy for thinking I want to go back to my old irons after dropping $1100 w/ tax on a new set....

 

If someone has consistent carry distance control with their current iron set they should probably stick with that set. Yes, it is fun to swing a 9 or 8 iron instead of a 7-iron but for 18 hole scoring the player is probably better off with a set he/she hits shorter yardages per club but consistently reliable distances.

I don't think there is an iron model (designed for distance) that also produces consistent carry yardages.

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2 hours ago, PJF7789 said:

Last summer I finally bit the bullet and bought new irons. I had been consistently shooting in Mid-80’s and decided to reward my hard work. My low score last spring was an 82. I figured now that I had consistency down, adding distance was the piece of my game that was missing. 
 

I was fit for a set T300’s with Project X LZ 120’s in 6.0 - I gained a considerable amount of distance, and can consistently hit draws and a baby cut. During my fitting I tried the Mavricks, JPX 919, and G410 - the T300’s were the most consistent on the monitor (indoor fitting - first mistake) so I pulled the trigger. I didn’t think I was good enough to try the T200’s or T100’s so I didn’t bother. 
 

The question I’m posing is: has anyone else seen their scores go up and GIR go down when switching to distance irons? In my old set of Callaways my 7 iron was consistently 150-155 yards. With the T300’s my 7 iron flys anywhere from 150-185, with the rest of my set having outrageous distance disparity, making my approach shots a total crap shoot. If you strike the ball even a centimeter away from the sweetspot it goes 150, in the sweet spot, the ball literally explodes off the face and goes 185. I have a relatively moderate tempo and prefer heavier, tip and butt stiff shafts so I don’t think my shafts are the issue. My reward for shooting in the 80’s bought me rounds in the mid 90’s 😞 
 

Had anyone else had this problem or made the switch back to normal, or even players irons after trying a distance iron? 
 

Is there a greater chance that this is a swing mechanics issue and not a club issue....are their techniques to finding consistency with “hot” irons? 

 

 

I'm a high h.c. but I've always played blades or small cb since I started in 1995 until I recently tried some midsize cb's(Pinhawks) and started out well enough but then started to hit them all over the face for some reason. I went back to my small blades and am happy, if I miss it out on the toe I just end up in front of the green which isn't too bad.

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"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Fairway14 said:

 

If someone has consistent carry distance control with their current iron set they should probably stick with that set. Yes, it is fun to swing a 9 or 8 iron instead of a 7-iron but for 18 hole scoring the player is probably better off with a set he/she hits shorter yardages per club but consistently reliable distances.

I don't think there is an iron model (designed for distance) that also produces consistent carry yardages.

The set was 10 years old....

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12 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

Yep, time for blades. 160 on a pure one and 130 on a thin one here we come! 

 

The OP did not mention anything about "blades".

I believe the OP was about the irons specifically designed for extra distance. Most manufacturers offer iron designs-models in between "distance irons" and "blades". Ping for example has the G710 (extreme distance) and Blueprint (blade). In between Ping offers the i210 model, which is neither a distance iron or a blade.

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1 minute ago, PJF7789 said:

The set was 10 years old....

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Can you can exchange the distance iron set for a model more similar to your 10 year old set ?

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Just now, Fairway14 said:

 

The OP did not mention anything about "blades".

I believe the OP was about the irons specifically designed for extra distance. Most manufacturers offer iron designs-models in between "distance irons" and "blades". Ping for example has the G710 (extreme distance) and Blueprint (balde). In between Ping offers the i210 model, which is neither a distance iron or a blade.

Thank you for the insight on Ping's product offerings 

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I think distances irons(TM M-6) have hurt my nephews game. He is scratch at times and won his local course championship but he likes to point out he hits his stock 8 iron 200 yards and his driver s.s. is only 115 on average. I don't think he has his short iron distances covered well and besides that I know he is taking a full swing with the 8 when in my opinion the better players only take full swings with the longer irons and above generally. Also, his Dad is new to the game and when we talk he is concerned about distance even though we are both over 50 to the point that I sent him a thread from the forum of a member placing second in a local tournament with a 60 something and hitting his 7 iron 155-160. I keep on telling him the only clubs that distance makes any real difference is the driver or a fairway wood while the irons are just to cover the yardages consistently up to 200 or whatever.

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"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Nessism said:

  

You lost me right here...

I’d venture a guess at 150 being a mishit and 185 being the dreaded no spin flyer bomb.    

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What model were your old Callaways?

 

My Dad has just bought the T300s but doesn't have them yet. He is a super smooth player with moderate swing speed and they came out best for him during a Titleist fitting. Interesting issue. I just thought 'Distance Irons' meant new clubs are 4° stronger than my old ones so I'll be hitting a 7 iron where I used to hit a 6 iron. Didn't realise you could get all these inconsistencies in distance control? 

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I was hitting a certain companies player distance irons. They basically had 2 set options. One thing I found was 5 shots that all felt solid 4/5 went 170 while the 5th would go 185. Seemed very random. When I was in high school my G10 irons only dislike was my PW was very hard to control distance. My AP2 712s were consistent. Since then I basically only play MB or CB type clubs. I’d love something a little more forgiving, but the race for more speed I feel results in less consistent distances and I’m a 3 handicap under 30. I don’t need a ton of help from the club compared to a guy 60+ who is bogey or worse. I saw a video with Crossfield where he discussed this very issue compared a blade from the 80s to a modern GI club. 80s blade had a tighter dispersion especially with distance. 

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