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Timeless design......lots of enjoyment playing well with classic oldies!

Buying the Hogan’s was way less risky than buying those Crocs.  What was the thought process there?!?

So I think there are other threads on this but being the club ho I am I was perusing eBay yesterday whilst taking a break from work and stumbled across a set of Hogan FTX in my exact specs. Project X

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If you are not worried about the number stamped on the bottom and already play blades of small cb's honeslty I don't know what the difference could be.

 

I play a small cheap blade that has virtually the same specs of some small cb's I bought 15 years ago, except the iron numbers have changed from 3-p to 4-g.

 

BTW, I always like Hogan's irons, I just couldn't afford the better forged cb that I always preferred. I once did have Hogan Edges with the Apex 4 shaft for a while but the offset was just too much, plus they were really worn.

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Very nice find.  All my irons are old from my 1971 Wilson Staff Button Backs to my 2002 Tommy Armour Oversize Plus and everything else in between.  I prefer buying old, used irons because of price (obviously) and iron tech hasn't really changed in decades.  Loft for loft, length for length, shaft for shaft, the iron will go the same distance when hit on the sweet spot regardless of when it was made.  None of my irons are any longer than the other but there is a certain level of forgiveness for sure (with my 71' Button Backs being the least forgiving to my 1997 Bertha Golds being the most).

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"Loft for loft, length for length, and shaft for shaft, the ball will go the same distance when hit on the sweet spot regardless how old the iron."

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Pretty sure I played most of 2016-2017 with circa 1990 Maxfli Revolutions and Aussie blades or some combo of the two. Got sick of chasing the latest and greatest. But then again, I'm pretty casual compared to most here. 

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1 minute ago, Puppetmaster said:

Pretty sure I played most of 2016-2017 with circa 1990 Maxfli Revolutions and Aussie blades or some combo of the two. Got sick of chasing the latest and greatest. But then again, I'm pretty casual compared to most here. 

Very nice set.  I have a set of the Black Dots myself.  Would love to have a set of those Aussie Blades (the ones that are cast out of nickel).

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Man I had the Aussie blades with some sort of red graphite shaft back in the mid/late 90’s. What a great set. Those and the Ram Lazer FX’s. Such fond memories ha

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6 minutes ago, cgasucks said:

Very nice set.  I have a set of the Black Dots myself.  Would love to have a set of those Aussie Blades (the ones that are cast out of nickel).

 

You will love them if you like the Blacks. I feel like you and I come out of the woodwork whenever there is a Maxfli discussion 🙂 

 

Found it: May 2017 was the Aussie Blades, but I definitely played most of that year with Revolutions, which I've owned brand new since 2000. Sorry, not 1990 lol. 

https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/381970-puppetmaster-witb-course-pictures/?do=findComment&comment=18554188 

 

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Man I had the Aussie blades with some sort of red graphite shaft back in the mid/late 90’s. What a great set. Those and the Ram Lazer FX’s. Such fond memories ha

 

And I remember not being able to hit those Rams worth a damn at the time lol. 

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Titleist 962b here, no reason to change, except to another set of same😃

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I blame age for my sets...Tommy Armor 845's...Maxfli Black Dot Revolutions....Titleist 735's & 2007 X-forged that were Korean issue.  Thinking I might part with the X-forged heads, this is the set that I tend to play the least.  All I can say is that I am happy with how these perform for me.  I can rely on the distance of every iron in the set.  By the way, I have two 2 irons that I use with the 3-PW iron sets.  The 2 irons are Ping Eye 2, one is a BeCu head.

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Old irons are really all I play.  The newest set that saw time in my bag in 2020 are MP37s.  Several sets of Golden Rams got course time.

 

New stuff doesn't capture my attention as much as the older stuff.

 

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I'm not knocking them but I think it depends on how old you're talking. Lofts aside, many clubs from 25 years ago, or older, didn't have any bounce, had sharp leading edges and flat soles.

 

That's all cool. Great golf has been played with a lot older. I have a set of 1980 Staffs and 90's Ping Eye 2+. Love em.  But there are things incorporated into new(er) designs that really do help.

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I play a lot of golf with 86-90 Tour Models, 4-P (49*.) Lots of Fun. To compliment previous statements about sharp edges, less bounce etc, I think that for me they battle some bad habits that sometimes creep in, mostly ball too far back and steep etc. plus, there really isn’t any faking it with these. 

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Nothing wrong with living in the past.

 

I cycle through older sets, I usually don't spend more than $200 on iron sets, and often do not see benefits to "latest and greatest". I'll give new sets a demo spin at the range or shop, but usually just go back to playing the oldies I have at home.

 

Gaming a beat to death set of 2007 X Forged now, probably the "newest" set I have bought in years..

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23 hours ago, weavej1 said:

Buying the Hogan’s was way less risky than buying those Crocs.  What was the thought process there?!?


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At some point when my swing becomes more disciplined I plan on getting a used set of forged blades probably something from '95 to '05 only I'll use a small cb in place of the 3 iron. I always like how Hogans felt, that would probably be my first choice.

 

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On 10/29/2020 at 2:57 PM, weavej1 said:

Buying the Hogan’s was way less risky than buying those Crocs.  What was the thought process there?!?

Honestly I was a “never-crocer” my whole life. Absolutely despised them l, ridiculed those that wore them etc but took a leap of faith and honestly they’re probably the most comfortable thing I’ve ever put on my feet. Ha plus they’re trending 😂😂😂

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On 10/28/2020 at 4:48 PM, drvrwdge said:

Man I had the Aussie blades with some sort of red graphite shaft back in the mid/late 90’s. What a great set. Those and the Ram Lazer FX’s. Such fond memories ha

Wow...Those Ram Lazer FX's....talk about bringing back some great memories (and dating ourselves)!  What a great set of irons.  I kind of started a post like this a few weeks ago.  My point was, in the cb & blade heads, I don't think a lot has changed in a while (of course a little bounce here, a rounded edge there-maybe even some added weight to "help").  I just feel like tech in those types of irons is either maxed out or close to it.  

 

I currently have a set of J33 combo irons, MP 4's (MP 54-5 iron) and Nike Vapor Pro Combo irons...all are fantastic irons and feel great, with more traditional lofts.  And on the lofts - I don't play golf for a living so I'm not too caught up in distance...I just play the right set of tees.  I don't need to hit a 7 iron 215 yards (would be super cool I'm guessing).   I personally just can't see paying over $1K on a set of irons that are no better than what I already have.  Although, I do love looking!!

 

Great thread...hit them well everyone!

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On 10/28/2020 at 3:14 PM, chipa said:

If you are not worried about the number stamped on the bottom and already play blades of small cb's honeslty I don't know what the difference could be.

 

Swing speed.  If you swing pretty fast you won't notice any difference at all.  But somebody with an 85 mph driver speed can't gap 4, 5 and 6 irons 4* apart.  They can't hit them with enough spin to get them off the ground enough to gap well.  This is the point of strong lofts.  If you put a 5-6* gap between 9-PW-GW you can replace those degrees in between the 4-5-6 so that slow swing speed players actually have a ten yard gap between their four and five irons (instead of two clubs that hit lines drives a ways then roll forever).  Now, there is some marketing in there too, but the whole "strong lofts are only marketing!" is just as wrong.  For low swing speed players who refuse to play hybrids (I swing my driver 108-111, and I play hybrid through 5 iron, so I have no idea why people swinging 95 are playing forged 4 irons for the "feel" but that is another thread) gapping like this produces consistent distance between irons.

 

I don't think my 2013/14 j40s are "old" yet (maybe?) but they are the best irons ever made IMO.  Kuchar bags a similar set today, eschewing all of Bridgestone's newer irons.  He also bags a bunch of hybrids, because he has a low swing speed (relatively speaking).

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Swing speed.  If you swing pretty fast you won't notice any difference at all.  But somebody with an 85 mph driver speed can't gap 4, 5 and 6 irons 4* apart.  They can't hit them with enough spin to get them off the ground enough to gap well.  This is the point of strong lofts.  If you put a 5-6* gap between 9-PW-GW you can replace those degrees in between the 4-5-6 so that slow swing speed players actually have a ten yard gap between their four and five irons (instead of two clubs that hit lines drives a ways then roll forever).  Now, there is some marketing in there too, but the whole "strong lofts are only marketing!" is just as wrong.  For low swing speed players who refuse to play hybrids (I swing my driver 108-111, and I play hybrid through 5 iron, so I have no idea why people swinging 95 are playing forged 4 irons for the "feel" but that is another thread) gapping like this produces consistent distance between irons.

 

I don't think my 2013/14 j40s are "old" yet (maybe?) but they are the best irons ever made IMO.  Kuchar bags a similar set today, eschewing all of Bridgestone's newer irons.  He also bags a bunch of hybrids, because he has a low swing speed (relatively speaking).

 

I actually did some calcs of the yardage distances between standard loft irons and strong ones like cobra with min and max values and the difference was a lot less than many are claiming. At the end of the day a 3 iron and a 5 iron with the same loft will hit the ball more or less the same difference because it is mostly a function of swing speed and loft more than anything.  This is a marketing ploy nothing more started by Callaway and Cobra about 20 years ago and a lot of people still haven't caught on that they are hitting the ball significantly farther with the same lofts and shaft lengths.

 

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19 hours ago, chipa said:

 

I actually did some calcs of the yardage distances between standard loft irons and strong ones like cobra with min and max values and the difference was a lot less than many are claiming. At the end of the day a 3 iron and a 5 iron with the same loft will hit the ball more or less the same difference because it is mostly a function of swing speed and loft more than anything.  This is a marketing ploy nothing more started by Callaway and Cobra about 20 years ago and a lot of people still haven't caught on that they are hitting the ball significantly farther with the same lofts and shaft lengths.

 

What do you mean by you "actually did some calcs" ?  What did you calculate?

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What do you mean by you "actually did some calcs" ?  What did you calculate?

 

I estimated a range of distance from say the 4 iron to the PW and then calculated a prorated distance differential between each club. If I remember right assuming a standard of 10 yards between club I think I came up with 8 point something difference with the distance irons.

 

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44 minutes ago, chipa said:

 

I estimated a range of distance from say the 4 iron to the PW and then calculated a prorated distance differential between each club. If I remember right assuming a standard of 10 yards between club I think I came up with 8 point something difference with the distance irons.

 

What is a prorated distance differential? I'm interested any new information but I'm not sure what you're saying here.

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