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4 Hybrid for Plus hdc with Decent speed


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On 11/10/2020 at 11:23 PM, dre72 said:

+4 handicap here, little slower swing speed than you though.  105-108 w/driver

 

I recently picked up a 2016 Apex 4 hybrid and I am starting to figure it out.  I struggled with it at first, I was hitting moon balls with it and it was no longer than my 5 iron.   Figured out that if I play it back in my stance a bit I can get the desired trajectory I want.  Like you I hated giving up my "punch out" club but I can accomplish the same result with a 5 iron.  Being able to attach flags from 210-220 out is a nice change.  With my 790 4 iron I had the tendency to hit the ball too low to realistically get to any flag on the front half of a green.  

 

I am going to give it some additional time to see if I end up leaving it in the bag but so far I have been pretty happy with it.

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I think the style of hybrid / shaft combination are the most critical factors when making the switch.  I added the 2016 Apex 4 hybrid this year and I occasionally clank my putter in to my shin bone for not making the move sooner.  IMO, the Apex line and the hybrids shaped similarly allow for lower, stinger-like shots when paired with the right shaft.  Conversely, they have enough mass to still launch the ball when need be.  Also, less pressure on you to hit the long irons perfectly is always a good thing.

Tour  M2 RipTide MX 70 | Mavrik 4 Wood Rogue 70 | Callaway '16 Apex RipTide MX 105  | Callaway '16 Apex HC Hzrdus 105 | Titleist 718 AP1 SF 95 | TM MG3 53° / MG3 TW 57° Heppler TYNE 3

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1 hour ago, Skipperation said:

22 degree hybrid to a 5 iron could be quite a gap distance wise. My 818H2 at 21 degrees goes as far as my 3 iron. If the gap is big, don't be afraid to go to a shorter, heavier shaft in the hybrid, even a steel shaft the same as your irons. It's where I went and I love it.

Couldn’t agree more with the steel shaft in the Hybrid. I hard stepped a Modus 105S and play it 1/2 over in my hybrids except for my TEE, but I have a 95 gram graphite hybrid shaft in it. So, weight is essential for me. 

 

The biggest reason why I like the Adams 9031 is because it’s not super long and it’s flight is much lower than any other hybrid I’ve hit. The only hybrid close in launch was the TEE EXS PRO, albeit the TEE was about the same flight as my 20* Adams and the TEE was 17* My 20* Adams goes in between my 17* TMB and my 20* for distance and almost all of it carry. 
 

My 2016 Apex was 18* and much longer than my 17* TMB without wind. Into the wind, it was much shorter. The Apex like many of the hybrids now was hot off the face compared to my TMB which is a hot faced iron. My 17* TMB ball speed is generally 145-146mph, the 18* Apex 155mph. At 18* the Apex flew high with an X flex Aldila  2kxv Tipped 1 inch. The standard Kuro Kage it came with flew even higher.  I couldn’t imagine it a 23 or 26*  without a low flighted steel shaft, even then, head design affect flight mire than a shaft will. 

If I were looking to replace a 4 wood then I pick the Apex at 16* (yes they exist) over the Adams at 16* all day, but when filling a gap is the goal, none better than the 9031 in my eyes! 
 

More ball speed and launch sounds great, until you try filling a gap consistently. For instance I bought an Adams XTD ti to replace a 3-4 wood at 16* and you could loft it down to 14.5* . It didn’t work out. It flew just as high at 14.5* as my 18* Apex did, I gained almost nothing in distance, maybe 3-4 yards, but I had better dispersion with the Apex. 
 

Shafts help in launch, but head design matters a ton more from what I have seen. I bet I hit a 23* Adams super 9031 lower than the Adams XTD at 14.5*  

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Started playing a SLDR 4H earlier this year.  I'm almost identical as OP on speed.  I love it.  I can play a spinny cut and hit it 210, stock 220, or hooded sweeping draw 230.  It is so much more versatile than a 4 iron.

G430 LST 9°  RDX Blue 70 TX
SIM 15° RDX Blue 70TX

Cobra King Tec 19° hybrid RDX Black 9-6.5
4-W Z-585 -Tour V 130x
Vokey SM6 50,55,60
DF 2.1 

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On 11/9/2020 at 1:10 PM, Jnardelean19 said:

That is exactly my assessment the only thing I see as a negative is punch out shots and working punch shots but I could just use 5 iron for those. That is me 100% on the 215-220 shots trying to manufacture shots with my 3 hybrid. Just want to see how many plus caps like myself have done it and their results! Thank you for your feedback!

 

I had been eyeing this for the whole season.  I finally just got a 4H this past week as part of a set I bought on here.  I played it for the first time the other day and am wishing I had of changed earlier this year.  No mis-hits, used it off the tee multiple times with perfect results.  And as you mention, the low stinger/punch, you can just use the 5i still.

Driver: TaylorMade SIM 9* Kai'li White 60 S

3 Wood:  TaylorMade SIM2 15* Mayazaki Kusala Tour 72 S

5 Wood: TaylorMade Stealth2 18* Ventus Red TR 6 S

4 Hybrid: TaylorMade SIM 22* Tensei Orange Pro 80HY S

5 Iron-PW: TaylorMade P770 KBS TGI 100

Gap Wedge: Titliest Vokey SM0 50* KBS TGI 100

Sand Wedge: Titliest Vokey SM9 54* KBS TGI 100

Lob Wedge: Titliest Vokey SM9 60* KBS TGI 100

Putter: Scotty Cameron Special Select Newport 2 

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Right now I go driver , ts2 16.5 , g410 19 degree hybrid then apex pro 4 iron then apex MB’s 5-pw. Like the op 4 iron off the tee is pint and shoot but the turf shot is hit or miss. Usually on line but sometimes doesn’t climb as high as one that’s completely flush. I’ve been debating the g410 22 degree and just caught 1/2” off and go from it to the 5 apex mb. What do you guys think of that gap?

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Im in the process of trying to find the right hybrid to fill the 4 iron gap. My 4 iron is 22° and my 5 iron is 25°. From my initial testing the G410 4 hybrid in the flat setting +1° too far of a gap from my 5 iron. Thinking and hoping the G410 5Hybrid lofted down a degree is the ticket!

10° Titleist TSI2 x Fujikura Ventus Blue 6S

17.5° PING G410 x Fujikura Ventus Red 7S

22° PXG 0317X Gen 2 Hybrid x Mitsubishi MMT 80S

Srixon z545 3 Iron x Nippon Modus 120S

Srixon z585 5 Iron x Nippon Modus 120S

Srixon z785 6-PW x Nippon Modus 120S

Wedges: Titleist SM8 50*12F, 54*12D, 58*8M

Putter: PXG Battle Ready Brandon Double Bend

 

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I'm not scratch (Im 3-4), and I live at altitude, and with my 4i (22*) I wouldn't get quite enough height. So I opted to put a 4H 22* in and it has been a revelation. Anything in the 220-240 range (which sometimes is a lot of par 3s on some courses I play), it has been just wonderful. Thin, toe, doesn't matter, it at least gets to pin high. And its starting to become super accurate. I will say, it is a bit closer to my 5W than my 5i (5W is about 240-250 carry, 5i is 210-215). So a back pin at 218 with death long and a bunker at 205 presents an interesting challenge, but it has been wonderful.

 

I do have the 4i and the 3H as alternate clubs if I go down to sea level or somewhere where low is better (Scottland, I guess?), but Webb Simpson goes 3H, 4H, and this week TF went 3/5/7W, so I think using more woods/hybrids at the top of the bag is going to become much more common and acceptable.

Titleist TSi3 Ventus TR Blue

Titleist TSi2 3W, 5W Ventus TR Blue

Callaway Apex CB 4-PW DG 120

Titleist Vokey SM9 50/55/60 Oban CT 115

Ping PLD Anser

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Try a #4 utility iron like a SIM DHY Or UDI, etc.

Really like my SIM DHY.

Even a P790Ti #4!

DRIVERS (TBD):  PXG BLACK OPS TOUR 8*,  BLACK OPS TOUR 10.5*,  BLACK OPS STD 8*;  Vanquish 4TX / Diamana WB 53x / GD AD-VF 5s / Ventus TR Black 5x / Kaili White, Blue, Red 60x / Tensei AV White/Blue 65x / Diamana S+ 60x

FAIRWAYS:  TAYLORMADE STEALTH 2+ FAIRWAYS/HYBRIDS:  R13.5( FW Rocket TI), 12.8*, Kaili White/Blue 70X;  #3 FW, 15.0*, Kaili Blue 70X/Red 75X;  #4 FW TI, 16.6*, Kaili White 70TX;  #6 FW TI, 20.3*, Kaili White 80TX;  #3 HY 19.5*, Kaili White 90TX; #4 HY 22*, Kaili White 90X

PXG GEN5 0311X, Black Label Elite, 22*, Accra TZFive, 105DI, M5

PXG 0317T, Xtreme Dark, 5 - GW, LAGP L Series, X

PXG  GEN6 Two Sets 0311XP, Double Black and Xtreme Dark, 4 - LW, LAGP L Series, X

TAYLORMADE P7TW, 5 - GW, LAGP L Series, X

PXG 0311 Sugar Daddy II Milled Wedges, Xtreme Dark, 54*/10, 56*/10, 58*/10, 62*/10; // LAGP L Series, S

SCOTTY CAMERON CONCEPT X 7.2 LTD,  LAGOLF P 135g shaft // LAGOLF BEL-AIR X Forged Carbon Putter // TOULON GARAGE - Austin Custom Rose Gold // STEWART GOLF Q Follow Electric Cart..Carbon // SKYCADDIE SX550 // COBALT Q6 Slope

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I love my 4i & 5i super game improvement irons hard to kick out of the bag. 4 hybrids always have attitudes and always fly too spinni and ballooning.  But if i had to suggest something i would say ping g410 hybrid super steady and the 17* creeped into my 3 wood distance from the ground.

TAY; 7.5* SIM  SPEEDER 57  S.  (44 3/4")

TTL; 13.5* TSI 2 DIA BLU 70 S.  (42 7/8")

SRZ; 18* 85 U STEELFIBER 95I S. ( 39 3/4")

Cal; 4/5i EPIC, 6i-7i MVRK PR, 8i-PW MB  

Cal; 52* X FRG STK W. 
Cal;  ODYSSEY W B/W 

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On 11/9/2020 at 10:56 AM, Jnardelean19 said:

Okay working on the bag for 2021 and have been debating the switch from 4 iron to hybrid. I swing the 7 iron at 98ish and driver 115ish. I struggle with 4 iron so bad but LOVE my G410 hybrid and my SLDR hybrid before that. I am curious what I am losing out on by going 4H and starting t100s 5-pw This would mean 3 wood, 18*Hybrid and then 22* hybrid and then 5 iron strong.

 

What are peoples thoughts on this for a +2 HDC.

 

Thank you!

I have the same setup you are proposing. Although you have more speed than I,  my hybrids are 18 and 21 with a 23 5 iron. I have PXG Gen 2s with Ventus 8x shafts and they play as accurate as my short irons.

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My setup:

16 Epic Flash 3W head in 5W shaft

22 TaylorMade Sim Max rescue 

23 New Level 902 Forged

26 Callaway Apex MB 18

 

Debating to change the 23 New Level 4 iron with a 24-25 hybrid for more consistent gapping. The 22 hybrid has been a revelation.

Driver: Titleist TSr2 8.25

Wood: Titleist TSr2 15

Hybrid: Titleist TSr2 4hy 20

Irons: Titleist T200 UT 4, T150 5, Artisan LS720MB 6-9

Wedges: Artisan LS720 MB 47, 51S, 55SB, 59DS

Putter: Titleist Tei3 Newport 2

Ball: Titleist ProV1

Bag: Jones Trouper R

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