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Brandel was talking last night about the unfortunate break Bryson received and how 3 minutes wasn't enough time to find his ball, even with many people helping him. So how does it make sense that regular hackers, who at best have playing partners helping out, are expected to find their ball in the same amount of time?

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1 hour ago, Nachosgrande said:

Brandel was talking last night about the unfortunate break Bryson received and how 3 minutes wasn't enough time to find his ball, even with many people helping him. So how does it make sense that regular hackers, who at best have playing partners helping out, are expected to find their ball in the same amount of time?

 

Who says regular hacker, or anyone else, is expected to find their ball in 3 minutes? Do enlighten me.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

Not really, but keeping 100 players behind you all waiting for you to find your precious ball after having searched for it for 16 minutes just might be a bit too much...

True, but the modern fascination with pace of play is becoming a bit much.

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Typically one finds their ball in less than 3 minutes when it has not been hit into a dicey area.  An extra 2 minutes rarely produces a found ball.  Many people already have trouble keeping pace and giving them extra time to fruitlessly search for wayward balls just adds to the problem.

 

Hit a provisional.

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3 minutes straight looking for a ball is actually a fairly decent amount of time. It begins when you get to the spot you think it would have landed. 

 

As others have said if you can't find the ball within 3 minutes of consecutive looking, it's unlikely an extra 1-2 will help . Usually if you can't find it within 3 minutes it's because it landed in a really bad area where you might not find it in an hour

 

There has to be some guidance. Otherwise a guy could play a perfectly within the norms round of like 6 hours because he spends 15 minutes looking for balls 5-6 times a round

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31 minutes ago, MtlJeff said:

3 minutes straight looking for a ball is actually a fairly decent amount of time. It begins when you get to the spot you think it would have landed. 

 

 

To put a fine point on it, the clock starts based on when you start searching, not based on where you’re standing.

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19 minutes ago, davep043 said:

A.  Brandel is a boob

2.  Hit a provisional

C.  Minutes 3 to 5 are rarely productive.

4.  As many others have said, hit it where you don't have to search for it.

 

...now I know my A2C4... I guess it wasn't plasticine dave modelled and played with in kindergarten. 🙂

 

 

...my apologies, I'll show myself out...

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1 hour ago, davep043 said:

A.  Brandel is a boob

2.  Hit a provisional

C.  Minutes 3 to 5 are rarely productive.

4.  As many others have said, hit it where you don't have to search for it.

 

 

The ball was lost in pretty routine (by any standards) rough not that far left of the green. That would be A WHOLE LOT of provisionals for many golfers. 

 

But I agree - 3 minutes is a reasonable amount of time. 

 

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6 hours ago, Nachosgrande said:

Brandel was talking last night about the unfortunate break Bryson received and how 3 minutes wasn't enough time to find his ball, even with many people helping him. So how does it make sense that regular hackers, who at best have playing partners helping out, are expected to find their ball in the same amount of time?

He wasn’t suggesting pros should get more time than you get. So your rant is misplaced. 
 

As for 3 vs. 5 as the rule, didn’t see the need for the change. In the situations where it’s applied for real, which isn’t that often, I agree you can probably find it in 3 most of the time, but those few times you might find it inside of two more minutes aren’t that big of a deal. Some of the changes were in the name of pace of play when the particular rules changes really weren’t going to make that much difference. Appearances sake, IMO. I don’t care if it’s 3, but 5 wasn’t killing anyone. 

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Bryson should have spent less time trying to convince the Official that it was all Casual Water and more time actually looking for his ball.

 

 

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Since the change, I’ve noticed that when searching for a ball, people look for actually about 3 mins before moving on. Whereas 5 minutes always ended up being up to 10 minutes. Somehow, either 3 mins is easier for people to get a sense of or it just pushes players to give up on lost causes.

 

either way, I’m a fan

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49 minutes ago, Socrates said:

Bryson should have spent less time trying to convince the Official that it was all Casual Water and more time actually looking for his ball.

 

 

 

The referee contingent at The Masters is pretty high powered. They all know the Definition of Temporary Water. If anyone is interested, here it is:

 

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rules-and-interpretations.html#!ruletype=pe&section=definitions&subrulenum=65

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3 minutes is lots of time that turns into even more time for the average player.

 

I have been a referee and when players are looking for their ball the first thing I do when I get to the scene is start the clock. When it got past 5min (now 3min) I would let them know the search was done. They would be typically shocked and argue that it could not have been 5min. I would show them the clock and point out they started looking well before I go there. 

 

People just aren't generally very good at estimating 3min or 5min and many go over before anyone call them on it.

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1 hour ago, Sawgrass said:

I see that I’m pretty much alone here, but I liked 5 minutes better than 3.  A lost ball is a pretty deadly penalty, and given how rarely the extra two minutes would be used, it’s a reasonable sacrifice for others to make on behalf of some poor soul.  
 

I actually have timed many searches, both my own and as a ref, and I’ve seen plenty of balls found in minutes 4 and 5.  In fact, it might take three minutes for others in the group to realize there’s a problem, and sometimes it’s only the last two minutes in which several people are looking.

 

 


Good point. We find our ball probably 99.9% of the time and spend a tiny amount of the time we play golf concerned with whether we’ve lost a ball. 60 seconds? Big deal, we can all wait another 2 minutes the few times a year it’s an issue. 


 

The people looking for balls most likely have an issue with waiting on aren’t concerned about the actual rule anyway.

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28 minutes ago, Sawgrass said:

I see that I’m pretty much alone here, but I liked 5 minutes better than 3.  A lost ball is a pretty deadly penalty, and given how rarely the extra two minutes would be used, it’s a reasonable sacrifice for others to make on behalf of some poor soul.  
 

I actually have timed many searches, both my own and as a ref, and I’ve seen plenty of balls found in minutes 4 and 5.  In fact, it might take three minutes for others in the group to realize there’s a problem, and sometimes it’s only the last two minutes in which several people are looking.

 

 

You are not alone. As long as it does not get abused, 5minutes is about the right amount in my view.

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I was apprehensive before it commenced. But the world hasn't ended - in fact I can see no downside - and I really like the fact that it puts a bigger premium on accuracy - an issue that modern golf's emphasis on length has significantly trodden on.

That said, IMO, courses in a 3 min search world should be set up for play slightly differently than courses in a 5 min search world.

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