New Level PF-2 Forged Irons

[Tzoid]

Has anyone done a Head to Head comparison with the Srixon ZX7 & NL PF2 ?  They have my interest.  

[B.Easy]

5 hours ago, Tzoid said:

Has anyone done a Head to Head comparison with the Srixon ZX7 & NL PF2 ?  They have my interest.  

 

I feel like I've answered this recently and apologize if this is redundant.

I've owned the PF2 since they first came out.  My adult son has had the ZX7's since they came out.  We both believe they are very different irons.  If you have a steeper angle of attack and love that V-sole on the Srixon's, then you may not like the PF2 as much. The PF2 sole will not prevent you from digging as much as the v on the Srixon's.  They have a soft feel and semi-powerful thud.  Launch a little lower and spin more than the Srixon's.  Offset is similar between them from what I can tell.  I love the PF2's and wouldn't switch to the ZX7's.  My son loves the ZX7's and wouldn't switch to the PF-2's, although he did like them.  I really like the Srixon's, but don't get along with that sole.  Distance is similar for me, but I felt like the ZX7's were maybe a few yards longer due to the lower spin.  On a launch monitor, carry was within a few yards, but the Z's would roll out a little more.

 

Just my experience.  Both nice, but irons are all about your specific swing and game.

[i*windows]

seems like the PF1 & PF2 are now on sale.

[Tzoid]

19 hours ago, B.Easy said:

 

I feel like I've answered this recently and apologize if this is redundant.

I've owned the PF2 since they first came out.  My adult son has had the ZX7's since they came out.  We both believe they are very different irons.  If you have a steeper angle of attack and love that V-sole on the Srixon's, then you may not like the PF2 as much. The PF2 sole will not prevent you from digging as much as the v on the Srixon's.  They have a soft feel and semi-powerful thud.  Launch a little lower and spin more than the Srixon's.  Offset is similar between them from what I can tell.  I love the PF2's and wouldn't switch to the ZX7's.  My son loves the ZX7's and wouldn't switch to the PF-2's, although he did like them.  I really like the Srixon's, but don't get along with that sole.  Distance is similar for me, but I felt like the ZX7's were maybe a few yards longer due to the lower spin.  On a launch monitor, carry was within a few yards, but the Z's would roll out a little more.

 

Just my experience.  Both nice, but irons are all about your specific swing and game.

This is exactly what I wanted to hear...  

 

Thank you 

 

T 

[Tzoid]

On 9/20/2021 at 1:48 AM, i*windows said:

seems like the PF1 & PF2 are now on sale.

That is what has my Club Ho juices flowing.....  I need to resist the temptation to Muddy the waters but it's difficult not to grab a set of PF2 5-PW with KBS Tour V with no grips for 

$ 575 USD Shipped 😛 

[dmeeksDC]

11 minutes ago, Tzoid said:

That is what has my Club Ho juices flowing.....  I need to resist the temptation to Muddy the waters but it's difficult not to grab a set of PF2 5-PW with KBS Tour V with no grips for 

$ 575 USD Shipped 😛 

Yes, and I also believe New Level irons are .370 hosels and that means they can take parallel tip shafts, which I like in the case of KBS Tours because the taper tip 120S feels too stiff for me but the parallel tip Tour stiff is just right.
 

Having played two NL heads plus the wedges I’ll say these are a lot more like Mizunos in terms of low bounce vs the high bounce Srixon v-sole. I am far better with lower bounce irons. 

[Tzoid]

1 hour ago, dmeeksDC said:

Yes, and I also believe New Level irons are .370 hosels and that means they can take parallel tip shafts, which I like in the case of KBS Tours because the taper tip 120S feels too stiff for me but the parallel tip Tour stiff is just right.
 

Having played two NL heads plus the wedges I’ll say these are a lot more like Mizunos in terms of low bounce vs the high bounce Srixon v-sole. I am far better with lower bounce irons. 

Good to know....  So if I don't like the Tour V I can't use my spare set of Modus 120S .355 Taper shafts 😞 

Edited September 21, 2021 by Tzoid

[NRJyzr]

I was under the impression New Level were tapered.  I admit I've based that on the MMT 105 or 125 shafts in the build options.

 

[dmeeksDC]

9 minutes ago, Tzoid said:

Good to know....  So if I don't like the Tour V I can't use my spare set of Modus 120S .355 Taper shafts 😞 

I am no club building expert but I think they work fine with shims. I think builders do it all the time. More work to go the other way and bore out a .355 hosel to take a .370 shaft.

 

See, I am like Greg Norman, who only will play with parallel tips. Says he can tell the difference. There is a great story about him going to tapers once and then immediately going back. That’s the only way I’m like Greg Norman. 😉

 

It is a myth often spread on wrx that clubs built with parallels are “descending weight” as you go from 4 iron to wedge. The shaft may be descending weight due to trimming blanks, but that is a part, not a club, and the difference is more than wiped out by the heavier head weights. The clubs still get heavier, it is just the difference between each club is a little less, which is what I like about parallel builds.

[Tzoid]

1 hour ago, dmeeksDC said:

I am no club building expert but I think they work fine with shims. I think builders do it all the time. More work to go the other way and bore out a .355 hosel to take a .370 shaft.

 

See, I am like Greg Norman, who only will play with parallel tips. Says he can tell the difference. There is a great story about him going to tapers once and then immediately going back. That’s the only way I’m like Greg Norman. 😉

 

It is a myth often spread on wrx that clubs built with parallels are “descending weight” as you go from 4 iron to wedge. The shaft may be descending weight due to trimming blanks, but that is a part, not a club, and the difference is more than wiped out by the heavier head weights. The clubs still get heavier, it is just the difference between each club is a little less, which is what I like about parallel builds.

I just spoke to Eric and he confirmed what you said..   I ordered a set of PF2  5-pw 🙂 

[dmeeksDC]

4 hours ago, Tzoid said:

I just spoke to Eric and he confirmed what you said..   I ordered a set of PF2  5-pw 🙂 

Congrats on that. They are truly beautiful irons, as is the feel at impact.

[Tzoid]

22 hours ago, dmeeksDC said:

Congrats on that. They are truly beautiful irons, as is the feel at impact.

I'm blown away by the fact that I called and Eric answered the phone and spoke with me for 10 minutes and after I placed my order they shipped within 4-6 hours.  They will be at my door Saturday 🙂.

 

That's amazing by any standard

Edited September 22, 2021 by Tzoid

[Tzoid]

On 9/21/2021 at 9:21 PM, dmeeksDC said:

Congrats on that. They are truly beautiful irons, as is the feel at impact.

I totally forgot to ask what Swing Weight to expect from a standard length build.  I ordered KBS Tour V Stiff.  

[drvrwdge]

Currently playing P750 Proto's. Really want a set of pf2’s but I’m assuming I’m really not going to gain or lose very much by switching. Change my mind…

[dmeeksDC]

5 hours ago, drvrwdge said:

Currently playing P750 Proto's. Really want a set of pf2’s but I’m assuming I’m really not going to gain or lose very much by switching. Change my mind…

Damn that’s a tough one! The 750 Proto is so good. I love those irons. I would say they are pretty similar and will not be worlds apart in performance. PF2 is a super iron as well. It feels as good and you might gain a few yards because it spins a little less for me. Blade length slightly longer on PF2, but it it slight so maybe a bit more room with speed retention. Little less bounce on the PF2 which always suits me. So ultimately would come down to how dialed in your build is and whether you middle your irons every time. 

[Tzoid]

I have 2 rounds in with my new PF2 irons and I'm extremely please and for the meantime they are kicking my Srixon ZX7s out of the bag. They are a bit more upright 

than what I have played over the years but that's not been a problem and the pre-worn leading edge sole seems to be working better than the V sole on the Srixons. 

 

 

[Albusdumble831]

1 hour ago, Tzoid said:

I have 2 rounds in with my new PF2 irons and I'm extremely please and for the meantime they are kicking my Srixon ZX7s out of the bag. They are a bit more upright 

than what I have played over the years but that's not been a problem and the pre-worn leading edge sole seems to be working better than the V sole on the Srixons. 

 

 

That's awesome, I know this is a subjective question but how does the PF2's feel in comparison to the Srixon's or Mizuno's? I just demo'd the PF2 7 Iron and I have to admit it felt really nice and the ball flight was exactly what I was looking for. Would love to hear any additional thoughts you have on them. 

[Tzoid]

1 hour ago, Albusdumble831 said:

That's awesome, I know this is a subjective question but how does the PF2's feel in comparison to the Srixon's or Mizuno's? I just demo'd the PF2 7 Iron and I have to admit it felt really nice and the ball flight was exactly what I was looking for. Would love to hear any additional thoughts you have on them. 

I honestly have to say they feel softer than the Srixon and most Mizuno irons I've played and on par with the OnOff Kuro 2015 Irons I played 5 years ( Endo Forged ) 

[Kodiak1313]

On 10/5/2021 at 8:59 AM, Tzoid said:

I honestly have to say they feel softer than the Srixon and most Mizuno irons I've played and on par with the OnOff Kuro 2015 Irons I played 5 years ( Endo Forged ) 

Tzoid, thankful you posted messages in this thread as I was a lurker and torn between zx7 and PF-2's. I've only hit the zx7 off mats, loved it with the C taper lite 110. But so intrigued with the PF2, that I'm willing to take a shot in the dark. Im more of a picker and play on harder turf, Eastern WA desert. The bounce is so different in the longer irons between the two but seem to get closer in the shorter clubs. Wish I could test both on real ground but I cannot at the moment. Hope you're enjoying those PFs! 

[Tzoid]

9 minutes ago, Kodiak1313 said:

Tzoid, thankful you posted messages in this thread as I was a lurker and torn between zx7 and PF-2's. I've only hit the zx7 off mats, loved it with the C taper lite 110. But so intrigued with the PF2, that I'm willing to take a shot in the dark. Im more of a picker and play on harder turf, Eastern WA desert. The bounce is so different in the longer irons between the two but seem to get closer in the shorter clubs. Wish I could test both on real ground but I cannot at the moment. Hope you're enjoying those PFs! 

The price is right on the New Level irons right now and they ship fast....  

[Thayneil]

2 hours ago, Tzoid said:

The price is right on the New Level irons right now and they ship fast....  

The same thing will.apply to dtc models as say Wishon Golfworks etc.hard to sell for any money.Hogan maybe exception due to recognisable name

[drvrwdge]

Took the bait and ordered 4-9 PF2’s. They were delivered in 9 or so days and they look absolutely amazing. I honestly feel like the craftsmanship is leaps and bound abound any major OEM. They just have a very custom feel about them.  At address they remind me of the Wilson FG Tour V6. Have yet to hit them yet but have a big 2 man this weekend where they’ll get their first run. 

[Kodiak1313]

12 hours ago, Tzoid said:

The price is right on the New Level irons right now and they ship fast....  

Do you notice a difference a difference in turf interaction between the two clubs considering the bounce deltas?

[drvrwdge]

So pretty 

[Navistar]

Anyone have a mic and can measure the sole width of the pf-2?

[Kodiak1313]

Just placed my PF-2 order! 6-PW, found a new 1126 5i head on ebay to complete my set. C Taper Lite 110s to compliment. Btw their NLU-01 is amazing, been gaming the 21 for 3 months now. I'll be weakening the loft to adjust the gap between the 5i and NLU 21. Can't wait!

[fixurpitch]

23 hours ago, Navistar said:

Anyone have a mic and can measure the sole width of the pf-2?

PF-2 7i is 19mm. 5i is 18mm. 
 

PF-1 8i is 20mm. 

[Navistar]

57 minutes ago, fixurpitch said:

PF-2 7i is 19mm. 5i is 18mm. 
 

PF-1 8i is 20mm. 

 

sorry to take advantage of a good deed but what does the top line measure if you dont mind?

[Navistar]

58 minutes ago, fixurpitch said:

PF-2 7i is 19mm. 5i is 18mm. 
 

PF-1 8i is 20mm. 

 

And what do you have? PF-2 down to 7iron and PF-1s 8 and down?

[dmeeksDC]

37 minutes ago, Navistar said:

 

And what do you have? PF-2 down to 7iron and PF-1s 8 and down?

Just for reference the PF2 7 iron sole measures the same as a Miura 1008CB 7 iron.