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I have seen many golf tips showing how the left wrist should be bowed to allow the club face to be square while shaft is leaning forward in the impact position.  (i.e. since hands are further ahead of the ball at impact , then club face would be open if left wrist is not bowed).   However, they always talk about this and show this ONLY with irons and talk about how pros do it and it also has the effect of de-lofting the IRON.   What I don't understand is what are you supposed to do with driver/woods?  If you de-loft those in the same way it looks really strange (like the clubs are not meant to be used that way and of course they don't have a lot of loft to begin with) and if you don't do it the same way then your swing (or at least part of it) would seem to be different for irons and woods.   Does anyone know how to make sense of this?   (note, above I'm assuming a right handed golfer)

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Changes in setup allows you to have a consistent swing but get different results.     The longer the club, the more forward we put the ball in our stance.  The more forward we put the ball i

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Changes in setup allows you to have a consistent swing but get different results.  

 

The longer the club, the more forward we put the ball in our stance.  The more forward we put the ball in our stance, the less shaft lean we have at setup, thus less shaft lean we have at impact.  

 

Hands should be set at inside of lead thigh.  So if the ball is in the middle of your stance (PW) then you have quite a bit of shaft lean.  If the ball is in the front of your stance, not as much shaft lean.  All because your hands are at the same position.  

 

If you can imagine the picture below, but have the ball in the middle of the stance as opposed to front of stance, what that would do to shaft lean at impact position.  

 

This is a very general / simplified response to your question.  You can go a into a lot more detail if you want.  

dustin-johnson-impact-shaft-angle.jpg

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Actually the act of bowing the lead wrist  causes the hands to advance relative to the clubhead, thus causing the clubface to face more to the right. Other actions must  have happened to square the  clubface at impact.

 

You can easily demonstrate this . Just setup with the  head of a 5 iron lightly touching the ground and your wrists neither extended or flexed   . Notice where the clubface is pointed. Now leaving the club very lightly touching the ground, bow your lead wrist, so that you create obvious shaft lean. Now notice that the clubface faces more to the right .

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answered well by @wagolfer7

 

recently had some lessons from Milo Lines and can confirm he is one of the better drivers I have ever seen. He really addresses this thought with the hands forward here.

 

 

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I played for years with the belief that I should be catching the ball at the bottom of my swing arc. Growing up in Texas with ground hard as concrete, it wasn't pleasant when the club contacted the ground. I didn't have the luxury of playing courses that had great turf. I played "pasture" courses and was glad to have those! Flash forward to about 20 yrs ago when I moved to the northeast US and started playing courses like I had never seen before. I found I could swing down through the ball and take a divot like I was supposed to. Needless to say, I ended up changing my grip and swing to do this. However, instead of bowing my wrist at impact, I simply use a somewhat stronger grip and face squaring / forward shaft lean happens because I get to impact before the back of my lead hand squares. If you'll look at most of the pros lead hand at impact (face on view), you can almost always see the logo on the back of their glove. The only way you can see that is if the back of their hand IS NOT facing the target at that instant. A few milliseconds later, it has rotated, but as the club hits the ball, it's almost always visible. It's not a huge amount, but it's enough to allow the hands to be ahead of the ball at impact.

 

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On 11/19/2020 at 3:43 PM, golfarb1 said:

Actually the act of bowing the lead wrist  causes the hands to advance relative to the clubhead, thus causing the clubface to face more to the right. Other actions must  have happened to square the  clubface at impact.

 

You can easily demonstrate this . Just setup with the  head of a 5 iron lightly touching the ground and your wrists neither extended or flexed   . Notice where the clubface is pointed. Now leaving the club very lightly touching the ground, bow your lead wrist, so that you create obvious shaft lean. Now notice that the clubface faces more to the right .

 

 

 

 

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