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Properly fit, they will most likely perform the same, so it's going to come down to what you like the look, feel, and sound of.  Having hit the 410 and the TSi2, I prefer the TSi2 and I did not expect to.  I currently game the G400 Max and it is great but the sound/feel of the TSi2 have already won me over.

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Titleist TSi2 9* Tensei AV 65 Raw White

Titleist 917f2 16.5* Diamana S+ 70s

Titleist 915h 21* Aldila Rogue black 85s

Titleist 718 CB 4-P PX LZ 6.0

Titleist Vokey SM6 52/12F, SM7 58/8M

Scotty Cameron Special Select Fastback 1.5 34"

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I've got the 410, and the TSi2.  I've only got a couple rounds with the Titleist, but as far as looks, sound, and feel, I'd give it to the Titleist.  As far as performance, I'm thinking it's about the same.  Maybe a little further with the Titleist, but not quite as forgiving as the Ping. 

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I had an outdoor Titleist fitting a few weeks ago and was fit to a 10* TSi2.  It was longer and I was getting better numbers than the 10.5* G410 LST.

 

I ended up getting rid of the LST and getting a standard 9* 410 Plus.  I found it to be pretty much the same as what I was getting with the TSi2.   Same ball flight, same distance, I'd say the PING was a touch more forgiving.

 

As other have said, the 425 is coming, which may throw a curveball.  Not gonna lie, I can be a bit frugal.  So it was hard for me to bite the bullet and spend $550 on a driver.

WITB (as of 11/14/20)
PING G410 PLUS 9*
PING G400 5-wood
PING G410 22*
Srixon Z565 5-PW
Cleveland CBX 2 50*
Cleveland CBX 2 54*
Cleveland CBX Full Face 58*
Cleveland Frontline Elevado
Titleist ProV1x

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15 hours ago, mantan said:

I had an outdoor Titleist fitting a few weeks ago and was fit to a 10* TSi2.  It was longer and I was getting better numbers than the 10.5* G410 LST.

 

I ended up getting rid of the LST and getting a standard 9* 410 Plus.  I found it to be pretty much the same as what I was getting with the TSi2.   Same ball flight, same distance, I'd say the PING was a touch more forgiving.

 

As other have said, the 425 is coming, which may throw a curveball.  Not gonna lie, I can be a bit frugal.  So it was hard for me to bite the bullet and spend $550 on a driver.

 

amen - gone are the days of the $299 new driver.  RIP

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I just picked up a TSi2 5 wood and its a cannon - high straight effortless bombs. Haven't tried the driver yet, but Titleist coming back to my club for fittings in a few weeks.

 

The 5w is seriously pushing up against my current Mizuno driver for distance - not really what I got it for, but im starting to play it off the tee a bunch on tight holes its so long and accurate. I can't even imagine what the driver might do...but ill be testing one soon.

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While it was longer than my G410 (was basically equal to my previous TS3 and Sim), I just feel better over the ball with it as 'I' feel it is more 'forgiving' than the other 2 and overall performance doesn't leave me wanting more.  Haven't ever really gotten along well with the 2's vs. 3's unless much lower loft for spin reasons.

SM 3.5 Bag:

Ping G410 9* Plus w/ Tensei Orange Pro 60 TX

TM Sim Ti 14* w/ Kai'Li 80X

Titleist TS3 19* w/ Evenflow T1100 S

Edel VL 4-PW w/ Rifle Flighted 6.5 SSx1

Edel 50/54/58 w/ Rifle 6.0

Piretti Potenza II 365g 34"

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I currently bag the G410.   Took the TSi out for a spin with the same shaft.     The feel was great, and I gained a few more yards with the TSi, but dispersion was better with the G410.   Ended up sticking the G410 as the course I play punish you badly for missing the fairway.

Driver: Ping G410
3W: Srixon F85 3+

5W: Cleveland Launcher HB
Irons: Mizuno 921 HM Pro's
Wedges: Harry Taylor 305 - 52, 58
Putter: Cleveland Frontline Elevado

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Have not done a head to head, but I have to say that I've suddenly and unexpectedly become a fan of PING drivers (and now have an LST and a PLUS) despite generally being a traditionalist and playing Titleist forever.

 

Although I'm not a fan of turbulators, I am loving the matte finish of the PINGs. I don't like the super glossy look, and the TSi models are as shiny as any I've ever seen. They are so reflective that it's almost visually distracting. Much prefer the PING and I'm glad they are sticking with dark matte in the 425 line (and they are ditching turbulators in the fairway woods, which is great).

PING G410 / Ventus Blue 6x

PING G410 LST / Ventus Blue 7x

TITLEIST TS2 3W 7W / Ventus Blue 7x

MIZUNO MP20 Blades 5i-P / Modus 120 S

VOKEY SM8 50F 54D 58M / Modus 120 S

Putter TBD

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Okay, did some comparing and did a spreadsheet, which is located here:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WPMJ9-i6Av62hcjdARcWMbcxYlT5ieqKenh8M_D0JYI/edit?usp=sharing

 

A summary is at the bottom of this post.  More detailed data is in the spreadsheet itself.  I hit 10 of each club.  I did not cherry pick, so there are some less than good shots in there.  But, what i want to see is the less than good shots.  A good shot is a good shot is a good shot.

 

This was in a top tracer building that hits to the outdoors.  Imagine a mini-storage building.  You are hitting inside it, through a garage door size opening, into the range.  All 8 bays were active so all of the doors were open.  It was cold with drizzle/flurries with wind in the face/left side.  It is going to snow later tonight.  I was wearing 4 top layers.  The heating system in there can only do so much.  The cold and the layers serve to restrict swing motion and swing speed.  I warmed up as best I could, but there is no true warming up in that sort of conditioin.  So, I wasn't hitting that well.  Serviceable.  With that said, some interesting results. 

 

I have not changed the grip on the TSi3 yet, which is at standard.  I got it yesterday, so not much mileage on it (probably 20 hits before the test, which was from last night in a league I was substituting in).  I will put a Winn DriTac oversize on it with two wraps, like the G400.  That will eliminate the right-hand curve for the most part.    All other clubs have Jumbomax smalls on them.  The G410 has a Jumbomax on it as well, which causes a little leftward ball flight (left handed so that is a fade).  It is interesting to see how grip size translates.

 

The TSi3 results in about 2 mph increase in ball speed.  It results in an efficiency/smash factor gain.  Launch angle was a little low, but the larger grip will help that.  Everything is stock and at standard on the TSi3, so it is a bit unfair going up against the G400 which is modified to exactly how I want it to be. 

 

The TSi3 feels very smooth to swing.  It is smoother than the G400, which is smoother than the G410.  The ball just jumps off of the face.  I found it difficult to fade.  The small grip made it easy to draw.  I find it very forgiving and extremely easy to hit.  For me that is its biggest selling point.  Definitely keeping.

 

I hope that helps in some respects.

 

  Summary (From Average of Each)
  Swing Speed Ball Speed Efficiency   Curve (Feet) Launch Angle Height Flat Carry Total Distance   VC2 Ball Speed
TSi3 100.70 148.60 1.476   30.60 10.20 65.50 234.90 276.20   149.10
G400 100.40 146.80 1.462   3.60 15.00 100.60 240.40 264.60   146.91
G410 102.40 146.60 1.432   -16.80 12.90 82.10 235.80 267.40   143.30

 

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