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Properly fit, they will most likely perform the same, so it's going to come down to what you like the look, feel, and sound of.  Having hit the 410 and the TSi2, I prefer the TSi2 and I did not expect

I've got the 410, and the TSi2.  I've only got a couple rounds with the Titleist, but as far as looks, sound, and feel, I'd give it to the Titleist.  As far as performance, I'm thinking it's about the

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Properly fit, they will most likely perform the same, so it's going to come down to what you like the look, feel, and sound of.  Having hit the 410 and the TSi2, I prefer the TSi2 and I did not expect to.  I currently game the G400 Max and it is great but the sound/feel of the TSi2 have already won me over.

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I've got the 410, and the TSi2.  I've only got a couple rounds with the Titleist, but as far as looks, sound, and feel, I'd give it to the Titleist.  As far as performance, I'm thinking it's about the same.  Maybe a little further with the Titleist, but not quite as forgiving as the Ping. 

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I had an outdoor Titleist fitting a few weeks ago and was fit to a 10* TSi2.  It was longer and I was getting better numbers than the 10.5* G410 LST.

 

I ended up getting rid of the LST and getting a standard 9* 410 Plus.  I found it to be pretty much the same as what I was getting with the TSi2.   Same ball flight, same distance, I'd say the PING was a touch more forgiving.

 

As other have said, the 425 is coming, which may throw a curveball.  Not gonna lie, I can be a bit frugal.  So it was hard for me to bite the bullet and spend $550 on a driver.

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15 hours ago, mantan said:

I had an outdoor Titleist fitting a few weeks ago and was fit to a 10* TSi2.  It was longer and I was getting better numbers than the 10.5* G410 LST.

 

I ended up getting rid of the LST and getting a standard 9* 410 Plus.  I found it to be pretty much the same as what I was getting with the TSi2.   Same ball flight, same distance, I'd say the PING was a touch more forgiving.

 

As other have said, the 425 is coming, which may throw a curveball.  Not gonna lie, I can be a bit frugal.  So it was hard for me to bite the bullet and spend $550 on a driver.

 

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I just picked up a TSi2 5 wood and its a cannon - high straight effortless bombs. Haven't tried the driver yet, but Titleist coming back to my club for fittings in a few weeks.

 

The 5w is seriously pushing up against my current Mizuno driver for distance - not really what I got it for, but im starting to play it off the tee a bunch on tight holes its so long and accurate. I can't even imagine what the driver might do...but ill be testing one soon.

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On 11/19/2020 at 8:23 PM, Caddimaster said:

Hit a friends Ping G410 driver and hit it 10-15 yards further that my Titleist 917 D2.

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While it was longer than my G410 (was basically equal to my previous TS3 and Sim), I just feel better over the ball with it as 'I' feel it is more 'forgiving' than the other 2 and overall performance doesn't leave me wanting more.  Haven't ever really gotten along well with the 2's vs. 3's unless much lower loft for spin reasons.

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I currently bag the G410.   Took the TSi out for a spin with the same shaft.     The feel was great, and I gained a few more yards with the TSi, but dispersion was better with the G410.   Ended up sticking the G410 as the course I play punish you badly for missing the fairway.

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Have not done a head to head, but I have to say that I've suddenly and unexpectedly become a fan of PING drivers (and now have an LST and a PLUS) despite generally being a traditionalist and playing Titleist forever.

 

Although I'm not a fan of turbulators, I am loving the matte finish of the PINGs. I don't like the super glossy look, and the TSi models are as shiny as any I've ever seen. They are so reflective that it's almost visually distracting. Much prefer the PING and I'm glad they are sticking with dark matte in the 425 line (and they are ditching turbulators in the fairway woods, which is great).

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Okay, did some comparing and did a spreadsheet, which is located here:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WPMJ9-i6Av62hcjdARcWMbcxYlT5ieqKenh8M_D0JYI/edit?usp=sharing

 

A summary is at the bottom of this post.  More detailed data is in the spreadsheet itself.  I hit 10 of each club.  I did not cherry pick, so there are some less than good shots in there.  But, what i want to see is the less than good shots.  A good shot is a good shot is a good shot.

 

This was in a top tracer building that hits to the outdoors.  Imagine a mini-storage building.  You are hitting inside it, through a garage door size opening, into the range.  All 8 bays were active so all of the doors were open.  It was cold with drizzle/flurries with wind in the face/left side.  It is going to snow later tonight.  I was wearing 4 top layers.  The heating system in there can only do so much.  The cold and the layers serve to restrict swing motion and swing speed.  I warmed up as best I could, but there is no true warming up in that sort of conditioin.  So, I wasn't hitting that well.  Serviceable.  With that said, some interesting results. 

 

I have not changed the grip on the TSi3 yet, which is at standard.  I got it yesterday, so not much mileage on it (probably 20 hits before the test, which was from last night in a league I was substituting in).  I will put a Winn DriTac oversize on it with two wraps, like the G400.  That will eliminate the right-hand curve for the most part.    All other clubs have Jumbomax smalls on them.  The G410 has a Jumbomax on it as well, which causes a little leftward ball flight (left handed so that is a fade).  It is interesting to see how grip size translates.

 

The TSi3 results in about 2 mph increase in ball speed.  It results in an efficiency/smash factor gain.  Launch angle was a little low, but the larger grip will help that.  Everything is stock and at standard on the TSi3, so it is a bit unfair going up against the G400 which is modified to exactly how I want it to be. 

 

The TSi3 feels very smooth to swing.  It is smoother than the G400, which is smoother than the G410.  The ball just jumps off of the face.  I found it difficult to fade.  The small grip made it easy to draw.  I find it very forgiving and extremely easy to hit.  For me that is its biggest selling point.  Definitely keeping.

 

I hope that helps in some respects.

 

  Summary (From Average of Each)
  Swing Speed Ball Speed Efficiency   Curve (Feet) Launch Angle Height Flat Carry Total Distance   VC2 Ball Speed
TSi3 100.70 148.60 1.476   30.60 10.20 65.50 234.90 276.20   149.10
G400 100.40 146.80 1.462   3.60 15.00 100.60 240.40 264.60   146.91
G410 102.40 146.60 1.432   -16.80 12.90 82.10 235.80 267.40   143.30

 

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On 11/24/2020 at 8:38 PM, Lasorcier said:

Okay, did some comparing and did a spreadsheet, which is located here:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WPMJ9-i6Av62hcjdARcWMbcxYlT5ieqKenh8M_D0JYI/edit?usp=sharing

 

A summary is at the bottom of this post.  More detailed data is in the spreadsheet itself.  I hit 10 of each club.  I did not cherry pick, so there are some less than good shots in there.  But, what i want to see is the less than good shots.  A good shot is a good shot is a good shot.

 

This was in a top tracer building that hits to the outdoors.  Imagine a mini-storage building.  You are hitting inside it, through a garage door size opening, into the range.  All 8 bays were active so all of the doors were open.  It was cold with drizzle/flurries with wind in the face/left side.  It is going to snow later tonight.  I was wearing 4 top layers.  The heating system in there can only do so much.  The cold and the layers serve to restrict swing motion and swing speed.  I warmed up as best I could, but there is no true warming up in that sort of conditioin.  So, I wasn't hitting that well.  Serviceable.  With that said, some interesting results. 

 

I have not changed the grip on the TSi3 yet, which is at standard.  I got it yesterday, so not much mileage on it (probably 20 hits before the test, which was from last night in a league I was substituting in).  I will put a Winn DriTac oversize on it with two wraps, like the G400.  That will eliminate the right-hand curve for the most part.    All other clubs have Jumbomax smalls on them.  The G410 has a Jumbomax on it as well, which causes a little leftward ball flight (left handed so that is a fade).  It is interesting to see how grip size translates.

 

The TSi3 results in about 2 mph increase in ball speed.  It results in an efficiency/smash factor gain.  Launch angle was a little low, but the larger grip will help that.  Everything is stock and at standard on the TSi3, so it is a bit unfair going up against the G400 which is modified to exactly how I want it to be. 

 

The TSi3 feels very smooth to swing.  It is smoother than the G400, which is smoother than the G410.  The ball just jumps off of the face.  I found it difficult to fade.  The small grip made it easy to draw.  I find it very forgiving and extremely easy to hit.  For me that is its biggest selling point.  Definitely keeping.

 

I hope that helps in some respects.

 

 

  Summary (From Average of Each)
  Swing Speed Ball Speed Efficiency   Curve (Feet) Launch Angle Height Flat Carry Total Distance   VC2 Ball Speed
TSi3 100.70 148.60 1.476   30.60 10.20 65.50 234.90 276.20   149.10
G400 100.40 146.80 1.462   3.60 15.00 100.60 240.40 264.60   146.91
G410 102.40 146.60 1.432   -16.80 12.90 82.10 235.80 267.40   143.30

 

Looks like Titleist is the winner, but you might want to increase loft. Only 10 degrees of launch and 65 feet peak height ... those sound like low bullets that won't maximize carry or create consistency. Hard to know what's ideal until you can see some spin numbers, but on paper it looks like more loft or a higher launching shaft would make the TSi3 even better. 

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I've had about 8 more rounds with the TSI2, and I can definitely say it's longer than the 410. I've been in places on my home course I've never seen off the tee before by 20, 25 yards.  The adjustability on the Titleist is much better than the Ping also.  I'd say if you are deciding between these 2 drivers,  go for the TSI. 

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I got fit for the tsi3.  Compared my 410 to it.  Long for long, tsi3 was longer.  Got it.  Took it to course.  Overall the ping was better 7 out 10 times.  The tsi3 was better only 3 out of 10 times.  I dumped the tsi3.  Stuck with the 410....

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12 hours ago, Deuce78 said:

I got fit for the tsi3.  Compared my 410 to it.  Long for long, tsi3 was longer.  Got it.  Took it to course.  Overall the ping was better 7 out 10 times.  The tsi3 was better only 3 out of 10 times.  I dumped the tsi3.  Stuck with the 410....


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12 hours ago, Deuce78 said:

I got fit for the tsi3.  Compared my 410 to it.  Long for long, tsi3 was longer.  Got it.  Took it to course.  Overall the ping was better 7 out 10 times.  The tsi3 was better only 3 out of 10 times.  I dumped the tsi3.  Stuck with the 410....


I have and will continue to state that pound for pound no driver is more accurate or long as a Ping. It isn’t the longest but it is long while hitting the most fairways. 

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On 12/6/2020 at 12:16 PM, Stetson said:


I have and will continue to state that pound for pound no driver is more accurate or long as a Ping. It isn’t the longest but it is long while hitting the most fairways. 

 

I agree with this 100%. I played G410 LST this season and while its not always longer than other stuff I've hit, its average distance is probably the longest due to how forgiving it is. That said, I love the TSi3 from a look and feel perspective. I spent sometime with one the other day and think I'll be getting one of those. 

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9 hours ago, spike said:

Did the testers use the exact same shaft in all the clubs? If not, the final results are not as accurate as they could be?. Shaft plays a key role in launch and spin rates. 

I did use the exact same shaft and tipping, length, and swingweight.  I think I said previously tsi3 was better on trackman but when I took it to the course and tested it the gain was negligible and the dispersion was greater and more fairways missed.  So the trade off was not worth it for me to switch to the titleist.  I had 2 to 5 yards closer approaches and twice as many missed fairways....ping staying in bag.  Will be looking at g425 and stopping there....

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15 hours ago, spike said:

Did the testers use the exact same shaft in all the clubs? If not, the final results are not as accurate as they could be?. Shaft plays a key role in launch and spin rates. 

 

I get this idea in theory but I don't think it is necessary.  Being fit into each one would be the best comparison but different shafts can work differently with different heads.  Some of the data posted above looks good enough to get an idea of what each head is capable of.  Having stated earlier that being fit, they will most likely perform the same, I am starting to believe after a couple months of using the TSi2 that the new Titleist heads are in fact faster than the Ping heads.  Not by much, but players gaining MPH seems to be a consistent stat reading through the forum posts.  That said, I will agree with what @Stetson posted above, Ping heads seem to be the most accurate on a consistent basis, they are tough to beat for accuracy, which should never be overlooked.

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On 12/5/2020 at 11:35 PM, Deuce78 said:

I got fit for the tsi3.  Compared my 410 to it.  Long for long, tsi3 was longer.  Got it.  Took it to course.  Overall the ping was better 7 out 10 times.  The tsi3 was better only 3 out of 10 times.  I dumped the tsi3.  Stuck with the 410....

 

 

Not even close comparison of the lower spin TSI3 vs the higher MOI of the TSI2 

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