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I was fitted today at a local, full service golf shop in my area.    I'm 72 and my frozen handicap for the winter is 7.1. My Driver swing speed is 98-101MPH. I will be coming from some blade

😲😲😲   These things look soooooo good in hand.    

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I’m actually all for a “Players Distance” approach. If you want classic looks and performance you’ve got the X forged. One thing I do agree with is it’s so weird to me they use the Apex monicker for the blades and then this upcoming release, two different lines which are nowhere near comparable. Seems more streamlined to make the X forged a part of the Apex line and reclassify the upcoming release Apex as something new/fresh. That said, I don’t really care about the names it’s just more of a branding conundrum. I absolutely love my Pro’s and am planning on upgrading my irons this year, and I’m leaning toward the new pros and/or potentially taking a look at what the i210 replacements look like. 

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Very surprised we haven’t gotten a snapshot yet. I check this thread every morning… LOL

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2 hours ago, goheels11 said:

Very surprised we haven’t gotten a snapshot yet. I check this thread every morning… LOL

Haha I am the same way. It is shocking something hasn’t been leaked yet.

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I'd consider the new Apex if they would reduce the offset in the short irons. 

 

I gamed the CF16s for 4 years because I loved the way they felt & the distance was in the sweet spot. The biggest knock on them was my tendency to over cook the short irons left. 

 

I replaced them with the Honma P747s and I don't have that problem anymore.

 

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55 minutes ago, ShakeyT said:

I'd consider the new Apex if they would reduce the offset in the short irons. 

 

I gamed the CF16s for 4 years because I loved the way they felt & the distance was in the sweet spot. The biggest knock on them was my tendency to over cook the short irons left. 

 

I replaced them with the Honma P747s and I don't have that problem anymore.

 

I know offset is really personal to each person, and I tend to really hate looking at it, particularly in short irons, myself, which is why I think it’s interesting you see a lot of it in the current pros. I feel like the heads are a great shape and size, so maybe thats why it seems like less offset to me? Who knows. 

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5 hours ago, Homerun2Birdie said:

I know offset is really personal to each person, and I tend to really hate looking at it, particularly in short irons, myself, which is why I think it’s interesting you see a lot of it in the current pros. I feel like the heads are a great shape and size, so maybe thats why it seems like less offset to me? Who knows. 

Exact opposite.  LOVE me some offset in the short irons!!!! 

Grew up playing eye2's so it gives me confidence and are easier to square up with the shorter (short iron) swing.  Not really like Im trying to work a short iron, just a baby cut.

 

To each his own

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I’ve never been more disappointed in a WRX thread haha. There is no way Callaway has kept these irons THIS UNDERWRAPS. 

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at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they threw us a curveball, and there won't be new standard apex, and only new apex pros. are there new apexes at all? who knows. couldn't be me.

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58 minutes ago, ShAMbotay said:

at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they threw us a curveball, and there won't be new standard apex, and only new apex pros. are there new apexes at all? who knows. couldn't be me.

I hit them all today they exist. New Apex Pros are SWEEEEEET.

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1 minute ago, Rogtsaamokin66 said:

Come on got to give up more then that. 

I....Can't. 

 

I'm sure things will leak any day now though now that staffers are hitting them. 

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21 minutes ago, JDSPGA said:

I hit them all today they exist. New Apex Pros are SWEEEEEET.

 

16 minutes ago, JDSPGA said:

I....Can't. 

 

I'm sure things will leak any day now though now that staffers are hitting them. 

don't listen, he's one of them! he's on the take, telling people these things when they're not real!!!
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9 hours ago, JDSPGA said:

I hit them all today they exist. New Apex Pros are SWEEEEEET.

So now that you’ve hit them all what do you Fuel is the biggest difference between the ‘21 Apex pros and the X Forged CB?  
 

did you get an opportunity to hit the Apex pros in the new graphite stock UST dart shaft? If so how did they feel for a lightweight shaft?

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1 hour ago, JimmyD said:

So now that you’ve hit them all what do you Fuel is the biggest difference between the ‘21 Apex pros and the X Forged CB?  
 

did you get an opportunity to hit the Apex pros in the new graphite stock UST dart shaft? If so how did they feel for a lightweight shaft?


cupface vs non cupface is really it. You want absolute control? Or a little extra help with distance and ball speed on mishits. 
 

They also look quite different. I much prefer the apex pros. 
 

Have not hit the dart yet. I’m waiting to test a heavier version very shortly. 95ish grams is more my speed.

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Let me guess? Irons drop for retail on the 15th of January and they are released the day after X-Mas. Your going to be super stoked on X-Mas only to be severely depressed the next day because you are not so sure the X CB Forged are the ones. The depression snaps when u jump on the site and preorder before they get sold out. Nothing comes close to the ‘19 Apex Pro and I am sure they are going to hold rank til ‘23!!!!!

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37 minutes ago, tripleH said:

Let me guess? Irons drop for retail on the 15th of January and they are released the day after X-Mas. Your going to be super stoked on X-Mas only to be severely depressed the next day because you are not so sure the X CB Forged are the ones. The depression snaps when u jump on the site and preorder before they get sold out. Nothing comes close to the ‘19 Apex Pro and I am sure they are going to hold rank til ‘23!!!!!

pretty bold statement there mate, i enjoy hitting my 19's also but damn, thats bold (pun intended i guess)

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depending on how they look, feel, and the specs, there's a possibility of them kicking out my 0211's. I hope the MMT is stock graphite.

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14 hours ago, larciel said:

I hope so but doubt it since MMT costs hella more in aftermarket.

MMT is on the shaft list 105 is the heaviest and only comes in tx flex though, It did not show it was an upcharge.

 

The Apex pro 2021 I saw looked great but it was not a hittable head, it was just for show. It was missing the tech inside so I can’t comment on the playability and sound. It matches the shape of the apex mb better than the x forged or the apex. If I were going to do a combo set with the mb I would choose the apex pro. 

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3 hours ago, poppman2142 said:

MMT is on the shaft list 105 is the heaviest and only comes in x flex though, It did not show it was an upcharge.

 

The Apex pro 2021 I saw looked great but it was not a hittable head, it was just for show. It was missing the tech inside so I can’t comment on the playability and sound. It matches the shape of the apex mb better than the x forged or the apex. If I were going to do a combo set with the mb I would choose the apex pro. 

I don't even see MMT on 2020 shaft list anymore

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5 hours ago, larciel said:

I don't even see MMT on 2020 shaft list anymore

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/7f37abe9#/7f37abe9/16

It’s on the partner b2b site. 85 reg, 95 stiff, 105 tx are the options. 

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