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10 GIR doesn’t seem right as a bogey golfer unless you are the most abysmal putter and chipper of all time .... anyways I’d get fit. I’d highly recommend looking at either the hot metal pro or 921 for

I too a fan of the MMC, both MP-18 and MP-20 variants, great feel, adequate distance, and spin IMO.  I've gotten 3 seasons out of my MP-18 MMC and will ride out the 2021 season with them too.  I easil

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Does anyone have any experience with the two irons? I saw a comparison thread between the JPX919T v MP 18 MMC but was wondering about the new irons. 

 

I'm a bogey golfer with my typical mishit being thin and near the toe. I hit about 10 GIR. I'd prefer the more forgiving iron between the two. Thanks


10 GIR doesn’t seem right as a bogey golfer unless you are the most abysmal putter and chipper of all time .... anyways I’d get fit. I’d highly recommend looking at either the hot metal pro or 921 forged for your level. Both will be significantly more forgiving and offer more distance while retaining spin and control. The tour is just a blade with some milling out the back. The long irons are very demanding. I shoot around par +/- 3 or 4 strokes and when I had the 921 tour I thought of grabbing a 4 and 5 forged to make the long end a bit more point and shoot. MMC are close to the same but might be a touch more forgiving. 

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I appreciate the response. I am a terrible putter but didn't realize 10 GIR was good for a bogey golfer. I used to play the MP59 and they were a little too demanding for me. It sounds like these will be the same.

 

Edit: I just realized 10 GIR is not accurate. It is probably closer to 8.

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I too a fan of the MMC, both MP-18 and MP-20 variants, great feel, adequate distance, and spin IMO.  I've gotten 3 seasons out of my MP-18 MMC and will ride out the 2021 season with them too.  I easily liked my MMC over my previous JPX-900F.  I'd have to demo the Hot Metal Pro to see if my launch and spin were both high enough to consider them in the bag.  Though for a change of scenery, whenever they launch a "JPX-923" series, I'll probably buy into the next Hot Metal Pro and see if I can make a "players distance iron" work for me. 

 

 

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I’m a 6 handicap and both of those irons are way too much for me.  People will disagree but I don’t think those irons are appropriate for anyone who is not low single digit, if scoring well is the goal.  If you just enjoy them more than by all means play what is most fun for you but if scoring is the goal I would look at the forged or HMB’s.  Both of those offer plenty of playability imho.

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I appreciate the response. I am a terrible putter but didn't realize 10 GIR was good for a bogey golfer. I used to play the MP59 and they were a little too demanding for me. It sounds like these will be the same.

 

Here are the MPF (forgiveness rating) stats for the MP59 --> https://www.golfworks.com/images/art/MPF_MIZUNO.pdf

 

You will notice the CG is actually quite low and the MOI is reasonable. They are probably as or more forgiving than the 921 Tour and the MMC. If you found those challenging I would definitely look at the hot metal series. I'm a plus handicap and the long end of the Tours are challenging. I hit 12-13 GIR and average scoring over this season was 74.

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921 Forged, HM Pro or MP20 HMB is where I would start my search.  

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I had the 919 Tours and play the MP-20 MMC, as well as the 5 iron in the HMB.  All great irons and I couldn't distinguish a lot of difference in forgiveness between all three.  Maybe marginally better in the HMB.  My miss is slightly low or toe side, and I felt these irons cater for that miss.  I like the look and feel of the chrome MMCs strangely, although the 919 Tour is a beautiful iron.  PX LZ in the 919 and Modus 120 in the MMC.  I think I prefer the Modus.  Definitely straighter shaft / head combo for me.  Can't go wrong with either.  Mizuno make wonderful irons.  I would be happy to consistently hit 10 greens per round.  For reference, 4 index, and 7 iron SS of around 89 mph.

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I play at a 2 handicap and I’ve had no issue hitting the 919 tours nor the Mp20’s.  I went with the 919 tours due to getting more consistent yardages in slight misses.  The tours don’t feel as soft or pure on middle strikes but they seemed more forgiving to me and every bit at workable. 

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I was torn between these 2 models as well. Been an mp player, off and on, since I started playing.  So, generally I lean towards the classic look of the mp line.  However, I really like the look of the 919 and 921 tour models.  MP feels more soft on center strikes and the 921 feels a little more dense.  I chose the 921 mainly because of the ever so slightly thinner top line and the satin pearl look.

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I can back the mmc 20 as i have a set... i can score anywhere from an 80 in a round to a 95 on a really disasterous  day where nothing is going well. The mmc 20 are very very much forgiving for their size. Ive hit a few wayy toe shots that have reached the green and left me amazed. Ive hit a chunky 7 iron off the tee to a flag that was 157 and  had a normal mid flight and ended up 5 feet away which really amazed me more then the toe strike. Absolutely amazing set of irons from 4 down to pw. Best ive owned. I havent had one round where i though they were hindering me in any way and i actually believe they made me better. I ve had a drive go under a trees that was blocking me out from the green which was 190yds. 5 iron aimed right of the trees and closed the face a good bit.. i hit a low hooker... landed 20 yards short of green and rolled on to 9 feet but there were players on the green i was shocked and imberrised. When i rolled up i said sorry guys ive never hit a 5 iron that far before and i had to hook it under trees didnt think i would reach... they said its ok amazing shot and dont worry it only rolled up here... nice guys actually lol.

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I would expect a lot of the MMC fans purchased before the 921 Tour was released.

 

Has anyone here actually hit the 921 Tour and MP20 MMC side by side in a fitting and went with the MMC?

 

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I had a set of the 919 t's and have a 4 iron mp18 mmc.  The 919t's are good clubs but the offset in the short irons was a deal breaker for me.  I tried to get used to them but it was just too substantial.  I hit a demo of the mp 20 mmc and they feel slightly better than the mp 18 mmc maybe but seem similar enough to me.  if I had to buy a set right now it would be the mp20 mmc 4-6 and the mp 20 the rest of the way.  I wouldn't be opposed to playing the mmc through the bag though, they are as good as it gets for that type of club imo.  i think the mmc edges out the 919s in forgiveness, feel, and looks for me.  if you miss on the toe then perhaps the 921 t's will be fine (blade seems longer and more weight out on the toe) but my miss is slightly off the heel and a little high in the face.  

 

anyone imo can play either iron assuming you have decent athleticism and speed. they are very forgiving in my mind but then again I can't hit GI irons to save my life. (soles too wide, too much offset etc..) So I really wouldn't know what its like to play them.  

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Bombs, I tested the 921 Tours and the MP 20 MMC the day my pro was able to get the 921 heads in for testing. I came from P790 and am a 4 handicap. For reference, I carry the P790 7 iron about 195. I was looking for more players style irons and these two were top of my list. When I hit the heads, the numbers were basically identical. Both 921 and MMC carried roughly 185 with same launch and spin. Really impressive sets of clubs if you ask me. But in the end I went with the MMC because I personally think they feel better than then Tours. Just my opinion. 

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On 12/6/2020 at 4:56 AM, bombs said:

I would expect a lot of the MMC fans purchased before the 921 Tour was released.

 

Has anyone here actually hit the 921 Tour and MP20 MMC side by side in a fitting and went with the MMC?

 

I actually just purchased a set of MMC with the pro modus 120s shaft this weekend.  I had hit just about every iron that wasn't a super game improvement iron over the last month and spent about 2 hours trying to decide between the 921 tour, 921 hot metal pro, and mp20 mmc.  Finally chose the MMC as it just felt better on contact and was more consistent (at least on the trackman)  Now for a month long wait for them to come in.  

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I haven't hit the tour but currently have both a set of 921 forged (6.0 LZ) and MMC20 (DG120 100X), both purchased here.  

 

Off of a toe strike, the 921F goes a bit further than the MMC, but the MMC is just such a consistent club and easy to swing.  Lots of spin, plenty of distance, consistent.  I just have a lot of confidence that it will result in a pretty solid strike.  

 

I might like the 921F better if I had a different shaft.  It is tough to say. The 6.0 LZ just isn't cutting it (my driver shaft is a CK Pro Orange 70TX). 

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I have hit both in a recent fitting.  To me, they play very similar but I prefer the look at address to the tour.  I think a lot of it will be personal preference. I did not see much difference in forgiveness between the two.  I purchased a combo of the tour and the HMB. The HMB were more consistent for me then moving into the forged.  

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Interesting question for comparison -  If the constant miss is a toe strike, the easy default is to try the ‘forgiving’ design. What gets overlooked is shaft weight, swing pattern/profile (outside to in/coming over the top in transition), playing length, lie angle, timing, impact/AOA - just a few factors that could take you from toe strike ‘need the game improvement help’ to consistency and ‘bring on the blades’.  Great thing about golf is we’re always learning. 
 

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Went for a fitting and the Mizuno Rep was there. I’m a good ball striker, play to a 7, and irons are my strength. Before I even hit them, he said “make no mistake, the Tour is a pure blade and the MMC and Tour are not in the same category. If you’re looking at Tour the MP20 blade is the comp in that line. ”. The MMC is miles more forgiving if that’s what you’re looking for in a players iron. Lots of tungsten in that head. 
 

On pure strikes the Tour felt a tad better, but mishits were very clearly punished. I’m not talking about hitting it waaaay off the toe of anything, but just off the center there was probably a 6-8yd difference in how the clubs performed. 
 

I wouldn’t wanna play a 5i in the tour and the combo set with those didn’t make sense to me at all because of the massive gaps and lost adjustments with the forged. 
 

Of course, neither of them are considering forgiving irons in any way shape or form. If I’m a bogey golfer and I’m stuck on Mizunos, I’d play the forged or MMC and spend a lot of time with them. Even the forged isn’t in the forgiving category in the grand scheme of things. 
 

End of the day I went Srixon anyways. Lol

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On 12/1/2020 at 3:11 PM, TigerInTheWoods said:

 

Here are the MPF (forgiveness rating) stats for the MP59 --> https://www.golfworks.com/images/art/MPF_MIZUNO.pdf

 

You will notice the CG is actually quite low and the MOI is reasonable. They are probably as or more forgiving than the 921 Tour and the MMC. If you found those challenging I would definitely look at the hot metal series. I'm a plus handicap and the long end of the Tours are challenging. I hit 12-13 GIR and average scoring over this season was 74.

I play to a 10 and find the MMC to have excellent feel and retain ball speed/spin of moderate toe strikes. I love that they spin a good bit- thin shots fly low with more spin, centered shots are high but not ballooning. Fat shots are, well, fat shots...Mizuno can't fix everything. No big hooks or slices due to the low spin...better for me than Callaway X-forged '18s or even the Ping S55s. I had all manner of Apex '14s and '16s along with a few pros in between but none of them provided the best combination of control, distance, forgiveness and spin. The Apex line was fabulous for distance until I shut the face and launched one 10 yards farther onto the tee box for the next hole...low spin draws would pop up nearly every round and wreck my score...the Mizunos don't have that problem because the spin stays under control and I just miss the green left and a little long...they don't help with my short game though.   Great clubs and I find them easy to hit but I like very thin soles.

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I preferred the look of the 921 Tour over the MMC by a hair. To me, pure strikes on both irons felt amazing, MMC is maybe a hair more forgiving? But I don't really get the 921 Tour's being this unforgiving blade at all, they are for sure easier to hit than something like the P7MC.

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I hit enough thin shots with my MP-18 MMC short irons ( my swing fault, not theirs ), and I used to fear my lower bullets landing on the green and rolling way off.  However more often than not, they check nicely.  I now expect a thinned PW or 9i to stop on the green, like a purposely hit low wedge shot, that hops and stops, or minimal roll-out from what one might expect.   Also, toe strikes on the MMC generally cause me little harm on the score-card.   A great set in looks, feel, forgiveness.

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