Really TXG?

[mukster]

God, I love GolfWRX........

[theboypinoy]

45 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

I rewatched a video from a few years ago and matt was low 160s ball speed and flying 275. I was like whoa what happened lol

 

To be fair, he's put in a lot of work on his game. When watching the old videos, his swing is miles better now. Larry Cheung really helped him out

[theboypinoy]

57 minutes ago, Fairway14 said:

 

I called them out about that subject, suggesting that Matt's sway off the ball and Ian's arms- powered swing could not on the golf course produce the numbers (for distance or accuracy) that  their juiced up GC Quad video screen shots reveal.  To their credit they did actually post an on course video, but for that one there were apparently "technical difficulties" which resulted in showing only half of the round's shot results. 

All factors considered, my best guess is that at a sea level location 6,800 yard par 72 golf course they would both average about 260 yards off the tee boxes, hit between 9 and 11 greens for the round, and shoot somewhere between 78 and 84 for the day.

 

I was curious on how it translated to on course play as well. They have a number of different course vlogs out, and for the most part, they do a pretty good job with providing real numbers. There is one or two where they had technical difficulties, but I think I remember watching at least one where data was provided on each shot.

[aleph]

4 hours ago, pinhigh27 said:

Yet some of the most tried and true shafts in recent years, funny how that works. lot of people that swear by V2s

 

Myself included; I'm still gaming a 3W with an old V2. Still interested to see the difference between a properly aligned V2 and not as well as the differences between the tour and regular version.

[5baytjd]

On 12/16/2020 at 2:02 PM, 14mh said:

 

Anyone who has bought 6 sets of irons in 4 years didn't get "sold" anything. They wanted to buy new irons.

As I understand it, that guy is "in the industry".

[lefty1978]

On 12/16/2020 at 10:43 PM, Fairway14 said:

All factors considered, my best guess is that at a sea level location 6,800 yard par 72 golf course they would both average about 260 yards off the tee boxes, hit between 9 and 11 greens for the round, and shoot somewhere between 78 and 84 for the day.

You are a troll.

[drvrwdge]

From what I have read if the radial consistency is really high PUREing wont have much of an effect on the shaft. 

[JCAG]

TXG does not want to win battles and lose wars. Smart business.

[JCAG]

I knew Dick Weiss when he first introduced SST Puring. He got the USGA to not ban it, as it had been, based on convincing them it was simply another quality control test much like frequency measuring. The USGA said all well and fine but you cannot vary the shaft orientation to make clubs play different as in the spines must all be aligned alike in a set.

 

If you look at SST Puring as a quality control check and a tool to make the shafts play the same it is a valid technology. No shaft manufacturer or OEM is going to justify it as they would be saying our shafts/clubs are not as consistent.

 

It is up to each person as to whether they want to pay for such. Personally my driver and fairway wood shafts are SST Pured. I FLO my iron shafts. I play my putter as is.

[Guia]

Everyone! is longer while hitting in a hitting bay.  This guy is swinging 120+, that is faster than the average Tour Pro.  Tour Pro's that are big hitters swing (outside in the air) between 120 - 125. 

 

I am not going to split hairs about Tour abilities over say an club pro/champion, but 120 MPH by anyone is superior to 95% of any golfer, amatuer/club pro/tour pro. 

Claiming that he only would hit the ball 260 at sea level is rediculous.  I have a swing speed of 98 and average 240.  Top payers on the LPGA barely break 100 mph and average 240.

[pinhigh27]

37 minutes ago, Guia said:

Everyone! is longer while hitting in a hitting bay.  This guy is swinging 120+, that is faster than the average Tour Pro.  Tour Pro's that are big hitters swing (outside in the air) between 120 - 125. 

 

I am not going to split hairs about Tour abilities over say an club pro/champion, but 120 MPH by anyone is superior to 95% of any golfer, amatuer/club pro/tour pro. 

Claiming that he only would hit the ball 260 at sea level is rediculous.  I have a swing speed of 98 and average 240.  Top payers on the LPGA barely break 100 mph and average 240.

He wouldn’t hit it 260 but he also wouldn’t hit it 350.  He would live around 300-320

[theboypinoy]

3 hours ago, pinhigh27 said:

He wouldn’t hit it 260 but he also wouldn’t hit it 350.  He would live around 300-320

 

In multiple videos, that's where Matt is typically on the course. On-course is different than testing, they've mentioned multiple times.

 

It's different in the bay, where they really try emphasize lower spin and just have the ball go.

[Guia]

I agree.

 

I spent 8 years in the PI.  Lots of great courses, enjoyed it immensely.

[braincramp52]

On 12/17/2020 at 9:57 PM, 5baytjd said:

As I understand it, that guy is "in the industry".

 

6 sets of irons in 4 years? Amateur.😆

[bladestriker]

On 12/15/2020 at 7:48 PM, sniper said:

 

I do hope they take shaft labels off some steel shafts and try that. I’d love to see a tour issue DG and some regular DG’s. 

This info and comparisons is out there on golfshaftreviews.info

 Nippon shafts are virtually flawless in the steel world

[ndlutz]

I was particularly interested in TXG testing this because I recently made the decision to have the shafts on a new equipment purchase SST PUREd. 

 

After watching the video, I came away feeling the same about the process as I did before I watched and even before I had the shafts PUREd. I think that if you're committing to a long game purchase and don't think you're going to be switching the irons out for a few years, it might make some sense to do. Nobody says that it hurts. There's definitely some question marks about whether or not it helps. For me, the price was high but I'm trying to play the long game on the clubs that I bought and so I decided to do it so that I really drill into my head that there's nothing more I could have done with these clubs to make them better for me. I bought the clubs that produced the best result at the fitting and I got the shafts PUREd so that the end result is on me 100%. 

 

I can understand how other people can arrive at that conclusion without spending the money. Unfortunately, I have a personality type that won't let me do that so I paid the price to be sure. 

 

To be fair I won't know the answer to whether this worked, either, which is interesting. I plan on doing whatever I can to improve my game - fitness, lessons, more practice rather than play, etc. What percentage the equipment plays in all of this is hard to say. Even after spending a lot of cash on this purchase, I think it's the latter that makes the lion's share of the difference but at least I can say I accounted for the equipment side too. 

[calfan36]

They aren't "juicing" the monitor. That's just how GC2/Quad is. Distance is exaggerated on low spin drives. It used to be even worse on older software. 

 

And I don't understand the people saying they can't learn anything because Matt is so good and swings 120. You can learn more. Higher speed causes more differences between things. And consistent contact is also key to be able to differentiate things. You'll learn nothing having a hack

[kwainio]

The Youtube channel is one big advertisement for the fitting studio & they do a really good job at it. Their videos are far more informative than any of the annoying British dudes.

 

I went to get fit earlier this year by them. Half my bag was a retro fit, half new clubs. Not once did I get pressured to buy anything, & in the case of my irons the fitter straight up told me to just keep the shafts I had as they were working fine for me.

 

At the end of the season I had dropped by cap by 10. Was it all because I had custom fit clubs? Of course not. But there was a piece of mind & confidence in my equipment as I was playing & improving.

[OhYeahPlayer]

20 minutes ago, kwainio said:

The Youtube channel is one big advertisement for the fitting studio & they do a really good job at it. Their videos are far more informative than any of the annoying British dudes.

 

Agreed! I am aware of this when watching - but it does not take away from the quality of their videos. I'm a TXG fan as a disclaimer, I love what they do and the info they provide. The notion in this thread that they're just selling you something is silly though. They have not and will not get a penny from me (other than whatever measly amount YT will pay them for my views) - but I will continue to consume their content and learn as much as I can about clubfitting. 

[liveagua]

On 12/15/2020 at 9:38 PM, Fairway14 said:

 

You asked for my opinion and I gave it to you.

Consider that about a year and half a ago a hacker from the US travelled up to Canada to get a "fitting: , one to be featured as a You Tube video.

Ian and Matt recognized this guy has a terrible golf swing so they stopped the fitting video and gave him a half hour lesson (to try and get this guy producing a half decent pass at the ball). Later, after the technique instruction caused a little bit improved better QC Quad shot results, the naive consumer ends up buying a set of irons.

The point is that equipment is 1% at best while a good golf shot is 99% swing technique. Ian and Matt , just like Club Champion and other prominent "fitters",  are charlatans selling nonsense. I would respect them more if they sold technique instruction, because  the swing is 99% of what makes for a good golf shot.

 

Charlatans don't use Trackman data to support their recommendations. They also don't stand behind the performance of the equipment they recommend. 

 

 

[simmers]

I personally would like to see them do a Test on Steel Irons shafts to see if there’s any difference there ! As others have stated the Accra Shafts do have very tight tolerances. Just my 2 Cents ! Happy Holidays Boys 🍺Stay Safe out there 

Edited December 21, 2020 by simmers

[PhlashPhace]

On 12/15/2020 at 6:37 PM, getitdaily said:

Accra isn't the best to do the test they did. They should have grabbed a proforce v2 or something like that. 

+1.  When you get the PURE results paperwork you'll understand why there are two answers to the question.  I've had five or six Ventus shafts PUREd and they're all really straight so there isn't a ton of performance to be gained.  On the flip if you took a lower end stock OEM shaft and had it done you'd probably be able to see some real results.

[QuigleyDU]

It makes sense they offer it as top end fitter builders. I have talked to people that absolutely swear by it. They have drank the kool aide and will get it done every time. Whether the benefit is real or perceived does not matter. They will get it done. So, for that percentage of people how ever big, it makes sense to offer it as a service you can charge for. 
 

For many, they will think SST pure'ing is a waste of money. OK, they don't have to get it done. Offering a service does not mean they have to sing its absolute praises. 

I have a friend who is a chiropractor. He says the whole thing is a load of crap. Yet, I also know people that go to him for care and say he has done wonders for them. 

Edited December 22, 2020 by QuigleyDU

[Thayneil]

On 12/19/2020 at 11:12 PM, kwainio said:

The Youtube channel is one big advertisement for the fitting studio & they do a really good job at it. Their videos are far more informative than any of the annoying British dudes.

 

I went to get fit earlier this year by them. Half my bag was a retro fit, half new clubs. Not once did I get pressured to buy anything, & in the case of my irons the fitter straight up told me to just keep the shafts I had as they were working fine for me.

 

At the end of the season I had dropped by cap by 10. Was it all because I had custom fit clubs? Of course not. But there was a piece of mind & confidence in my equipment as I was playing & improving.

Ian is a British dude!

[Guia]

I thought he was Irish or Scottish.  Heavy accent.

[Go Horns!]

Ian is Scottish.

[plim123]

On 12/16/2020 at 9:52 PM, pinhigh27 said:

the main things that frustrate me about txg are

a) people think matt is a robot because they edit out bad shots. He's a good golfer, around scratch apparently, but there are loads of better ball strikers in the world. Again, yes he's good but all of us posted our highlight tapes online, we'd look pretty good

b) the foresight distance algorithm is severely jacked for low spin shots and causes falsely elevated yardages. Matt would be 50 yards shorter in real life than he gets on the quad in the videos. He will never carry a ball 360 with 180ish ball speed. It just doesn't happen. You would think this would be important for a fitter to point out, as one could easily be fit into a driver that is way too low spin for them that looks good on a GC2/quad but sucks in real life and falls out of the sky/ is terrible on mishits. 

Ian has pointed out the difference between trackman and gcquad numbers on a number of videos, even going into detail on how the two systems differ (something about one looking at the whole head, the other only looking at the face). 

 

They also did a video recently comparing gc quad numbers to skytrak. They spent multiple weeks (and multiple calls with skytrak support) to get a true side by side test. Long story short, it was impossible to have the 2 machines active at the same time to read the same swing. So they had to swap out machines.

 

Spoiler alert: skytrak was spot on to quad for wedges. But 7i and d, skytrak had inflated numbers compared to quad. They chalked it up to a $10k diff in systems, and that skytrak would be a good product for home/consumer/average swing speed use. 

 

 

From a pure testing format, they are probably the most systematic and also the most transparent. 

[LukeDonaldsTiger]

On 12/17/2020 at 3:04 AM, Fairway14 said:

I believe the concept of "fitting to sell clubs" is misleading.

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My point is they are selling the concept of fitting clubs but their own video proves fitting itself does nothing, that swing technique is what matters.

I picked out these recurring statements from your post to make a point. I have a different opinion on this, and I think you’re the one spilling misleading information here. 

When I got into golf in late 2017, and joined this forum to learn about equipment, I was absolutely overwhelmed by the abundance of offerings on every level: clubhead style, shafts (flex, weight, profile, steel vs. graphite), grips, driver/wood lofts, hybrid or long iron, putter style (mallet/blade/face-balanced vs. toe hang). I did not know where to start. Bought used blades, of course, heh. 

I‘ve played ice hockey for 20 years and saw the change from wooden sticks with no flex difference being a factor, to graphite shafts and then full composite sticks, and now there’s different flex/bend/kick profiles and torque differences that you have to take into consideration when buying. It felt absolutely insane to me back then, and prices skyrocketed, but I definitely shoot harder and more accurate with the new sticks now. Let’s ignore the disadvantages for now.  
My point: I needed to find the right specs for my shot technique and speed, otherwise I could not benefit from the advent of technology.  
 

Same goes for golf! Given that you have a half repeatable swing, a fitting can and will ABSOLUTELY point you in the right direction, like finding the proper playing length, low vs. high spinning shaft, correct flex, proper grip size (a big factor), clubhead style (look/feel vs. results), putter style etc. pp. 

Stop saying that this has no bearing on getting better results, or that it is misleading!

 

I fight early extension and thus a flip, hence I’m high launch, high spin. But for the foreseeable future, that won’t change drastically, unless I dive into boot camp training with Monte for 2 years. 
What I’m saying is, a low spinning head and shaft combo is what helps my amateur 19 hcp swing NOW, and a fitting absolutely helped me finding this combo. 

It can go overboard and become a marketing ploy, but with some common sense on the buyer’s side, the benefit is there. 
 

Now, you and I are entitled to our stupid opinions, but if you could stop being a fundamentalist troll and forcing your opinion on everyone on every thread like it’s irrefutable truth, that‘d be swell.
 

[Thayneil]

4 hours ago, Guia said:

I thought he was Irish or Scottish.  Heavy accent.

Scots are Brits.

 

At lease for now!

[Guia]

Scotts are definitely not Brits.  Never tell an Irish or a Scott that they are British.  They usually hate the British and are not shy about telling you.  I know from experience.