Tour Charlie Woods WITB

[lefty1978]

6 hours ago, cjrobertson said:

Also, This looks like a sponsorship... Does he lose his am status?? haha. 

Not a sponsorship unless young Charlie is getting paid by Taylormade for playing or endorsing said clubs.

[BallerNate]

1 hour ago, lefty1978 said:

Not a sponsorship unless young Charlie is getting paid by Taylormade for playing or endorsing said clubs.

Technically for the NCAA, it would be considered an “impermissible benefit” if Charlie was given his clubs for free by TaylorMade. But with the money Tiger has, if he paid for the clubs there would be no violation.

[BeerPerHole]

When I saw the footage of Charlie in the Golf Channel highlights it reminded me so much of my son at that age. I was blown away. Fun to watch kids that young play that well. Humbling to us grown-ups, haha... 

[BNewt51]

On 12/17/2020 at 4:19 PM, ry1808 said:

Completely custom cut-outs on those irons.  I heard during the brief amount of the broadcast we did get to see, thanks Golf Channel, that Tiger was making him learn on blades.  So those look like TW MB's with some custom cut-outs in the back.  Same with the wedges being MG2 with custom cut out.  I'm sure the "kingdom" open the door and said "Yes Sir young master Woods... whatever you'd like master woods... Let's put all our tech to work for you master woods and ensure you get clubs light enough for an 11 year old but that will instantly be the envy of every club-ho out there!"   Sweet looking though, I must say...

[FormerBigDaddy]

I absolutely love the fact that tiger wants Charlie to learn with blades. I got his p7tw a couple months ago and love them. Even as a 10hc they’ve already made me better. Just by focusing on trying to hit the center of the face. 

[phatcatkev]

7 hours ago, BallerNate said:

Technically for the NCAA, it would be considered an “impermissible benefit” if Charlie was given his clubs for free by TaylorMade. But with the money Tiger has, if he paid for the clubs there would be no violation.

Are we sure about this? I thought there were different rules for golf...think of JS with the Circle T or any other AMs who get gear. 

 

Seems most similar to a high school football or basketball team who gets free equipment. 

[BallerNate]

47 minutes ago, phatcatkev said:

Are we sure about this? I thought there were different rules for golf...think of JS with the Circle T or any other AMs who get gear. 

 

Seems most similar to a high school football or basketball team who gets free equipment. 

My insider knowledge is more on NCAA Basketball than Golf, but not sure how different the NCAA rules are for different sports. I would think that once Golfing student-athletes get to College, they can receive all the free gear that programs can give them based on their sponsorship agreements, but as far as benefits while they are in High School (or Elementary in Charlie’s case), I would think it’s similar in all sports. Maybe someone with more insider info on NCAA Golf can add additional insight?

 

Most likely it would be that free clubs, shoes, balls etc are acceptable as part of participation in a High School/Club team, or National team, but direct sponsorship agreements or possible inducements to sign contracts after College for the Elite athletes wouldn’t be allowable (like TaylorMade and Callaway sending free stuff to the Top 10 youth golfers etc)?

Edited December 22, 2020 by BallerNate

[BogeyLJA]

We need an exact WITB - grips, wraps, shaft tipping, etc, let’s go!

[phatcatkev]

48 minutes ago, BallerNate said:

My insider knowledge is more on NCAA Basketball than Golf, but not sure how different the NCAA rules are for different sports. I would think that once Golfing student-athletes get to College, they can receive all the free gear that programs can give them based on their sponsorship agreements, but as far as benefits while they are in High School (or Elementary in Charlie’s case), I would think it’s similar in all sports. Maybe someone with more insider info on NCAA Golf can add additional insight?

 

Most likely it would be that free clubs, shoes, balls etc are acceptable as part of participation in a High School/Club team, or National team, but direct sponsorship agreements or possible inducements to sign contracts after College for the Elite athletes wouldn’t be allowable (like TaylorMade and Callaway sending free stuff to the Top 10 youth golfers etc)?

 

You are correct. I think that every club company could send him things and it would be completely okay, but he is CHOOSING to play TM, not contractually. 

[MikekiM]

On 12/18/2020 at 6:08 PM, easyyy said:

 

What are these?

 

 

So from I can tell, it looks like both of these sets of clubs are Charlie's.  The bag in the background is short, like a junior bag, and is the same bright green color that he used to have with his older Ping bag.  I suspect this was his slightly older set that was photographed Tiger caddying at one of his junior tournaments.  One of those irons in the back has that same green stripe that the ping Prodi-G irons have.  The irons in both bags also are about the same lengths.  Adult clubs would be considerably longer.

The irons in the foreground are probably a newer set he was playing around with.  They're clearly P7TW's that have been milled out to lighten them.  The rusting in the cavities is happened because they were milled out after the chrome plating was applied.  On the 3i you can see the remnants of the red "W" in the P7TW logo right in the heel.

 

[BallerNate]

47 minutes ago, phatcatkev said:

 

You are correct. I think that every club company could send him things and it would be completely okay, but he is CHOOSING to play TM, not contractually. 

Oh no, I’m saying the opposite...that if he accepts free stuff being sent to him by every OEM that could mess up his amateur status with the NCAA. I’ll look up the rules for NCAA Golf though when I get a chance. I’m pretty sure it would have to be regular equipment being provided to everyone on his High School/Regional team etc that doesn’t go above and beyond a regular amateur Student-Athlete though, or else every top potential PGA Pro would be receiving incentives from OEM’s constantly (which probably happens under the table anyway just like it does in Basketball & Football)...

[EricWGolf]

11 hours ago, lefty1978 said:

Not a sponsorship unless young Charlie is getting paid by Taylormade for playing or endorsing said clubs.

 

This is correct.
 

 

10 hours ago, BallerNate said:

Technically for the NCAA, it would be considered an “impermissible benefit” if Charlie was given his clubs for free by TaylorMade. But with the money Tiger has, if he paid for the clubs there would be no violation.

This is incorrect.  The rule was changed several years ago to allow amateurs to accept “reasonable amounts” of equipment and maintain their amateur status. Per the USGA’s Rules of Amateur Status:

https://www.usga.org/rules-hub/amateur-status/amateur-status-faq-d8bb60a9.html

 

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May I accept free equipment?

Yes. Even if you have golf skill or reputation, you may accept a reasonable amount of golf balls, golf clubs, clothing, shoes and other merchandise from a company or source dealing in these types of equipment (e.g., equipment manufacturer or golf shop). However, if you are considered to have golf skill or reputation, you must not advertise or promote the source of the equipment.

I personally know junior players receiving equipment from manufacturers under their exclusive junior programs, and I know several NCAA D1 players receiving the same benefits, whether or not they are exclusive, under the supervision of the schools’ compliance office. 

[BallerNate]

Ah, perfect @EricWGolf, was just looking up the rules on the USGA.org website and was tough to find the exact regs that would cover that scenario. Good to know, thanks. Every sport has their own tweaks/adjustments to the rules in the NCAA.

Edited December 23, 2020 by BallerNate

[Llortamaisey]

I’m just waiting on Charlie to go through that Adidas/Callaway teenage phase in a few years. 

[EricWGolf]

32 minutes ago, Llortamaisey said:

I’m just waiting on Charlie to go through that Adidas/Callaway teenage phase in a few years. 

This joke is far more accurate than many people know.

(although probably not for CW)

[BallerNate]

2 hours ago, EricWGolf said:

 

This is correct.
 

 

This is incorrect.  The rule was changed several years ago to allow amateurs to accept “reasonable amounts” of equipment and maintain their amateur status. Per the USGA’s Rules of Amateur Status:

https://www.usga.org/rules-hub/amateur-status/amateur-status-faq-d8bb60a9.html

 

I personally know junior players receiving equipment from manufacturers under their exclusive junior programs, and I know several NCAA D1 players receiving the same benefits, whether or not they are exclusive, under the supervision of the schools’ compliance office. 

Really glad to be wrong on this! Like I said, NCAA Basketball & Football are the sports I’m most familiar with in terms of rules, and I strongly disagree with a lot of them...especially when it comes to $$$! The NCAA makes BILLIONS from March Madness & College Football, and yet I’ve heard of Student-Athletes being ruled ineligible by things as trivial as receiving free $50 jeans in HS or getting free travel expenses on a trip. The NCAA are the ultimate hypocrites, so glad to know there’s more flexibility on the Golf side.

[hammergolf]

16 hours ago, BallerNate said:

Technically for the NCAA, it would be considered an “impermissible benefit” if Charlie was given his clubs for free by TaylorMade. But with the money Tiger has, if he paid for the clubs there would be no violation.

It’s not an impermissible benefit. Top Junior players are given equipment. 

[BallerNate]

9 hours ago, hammergolf said:

It’s not an impermissible benefit. Top Junior players are given equipment. 

Yeah, @EricWGolf cleared that up above. Like I said, glad I was wrong on that and that NCAA is more flexible and understanding with Golf than they are with Basketball and Football. NCAA Amateurism rules are archaic and hypocritical.

[johny719]

On 12/17/2020 at 3:38 PM, Redjeep83 said:

Honestly, I feel like playing a set of blades again if Tigers thinks it’s best for his son,lol

Same! New inspo

[NoFancyUsername.]

On 12/23/2020 at 10:10 AM, BallerNate said:

Oh no, I’m saying the opposite...that if he accepts free stuff being sent to him by every OEM that could mess up his amateur status with the NCAA. I’ll look up the rules for NCAA Golf though when I get a chance. I’m pretty sure it would have to be regular equipment being provided to everyone on his High School/Regional team etc that doesn’t go above and beyond a regular amateur Student-Athlete though, or else every top potential PGA Pro would be receiving incentives from OEM’s constantly (which probably happens under the table anyway just like it does in Basketball & Football)...

Tiger would only have to pull out the invoice from his back pocket, and the talk would be over and done. 😉

[BallerNate]

28 minutes ago, NoFancyUsername. said:

Tiger would only have to pull out the invoice from his back pocket, and the talk would be over and done. 😉

Exactly...fractions of a penny to Tiger! I was wrong about the NCAA Amateurism rules for Golf though, it was cleared up above. My background is in Basketball and Football where student-athletes would be nailed to the cross for getting a free set of clubs...luckily the NCAA isn’t as hypocritical with Golfers!

[Shilgy]

On 12/22/2020 at 7:47 PM, BallerNate said:

Really glad to be wrong on this! Like I said, NCAA Basketball & Football are the sports I’m most familiar with in terms of rules, and I strongly disagree with a lot of them...especially when it comes to $$$! The NCAA makes BILLIONS from March Madness & College Football, and yet I’ve heard of Student-Athletes being ruled ineligible by things as trivial as receiving free $50 jeans in HS or getting free travel expenses on a trip. The NCAA are the ultimate hypocrites, so glad to know there’s more flexibility on the Golf side.

Well, if Charlie accepted free jeans it may be a violation. Free equipment is allowed. 

[BallerNate]

9 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Well, if Charlie accepted free jeans it may be a violation. Free equipment is allowed. 

Yeah, I got the correct information above. Glad I was wrong on that and the NCAA is more understanding with Golf than they are Football and Basketball.

[Shilgy]

4 minutes ago, BallerNate said:

Yeah, I got the correct information above. Glad I was wrong on that and the NCAA is more understanding with Golf than they are Football and Basketball.

That was my point though. You would know better than I would but would it be a violation if a elementary school wide receiver was given gloves? Or cleats? That would be the equivalent.

[BallerNate]

3 hours ago, Shilgy said:

That was my point though. You would know better than I would but would it be a violation if a elementary school wide receiver was given gloves? Or cleats? That would be the equivalent.

The NCAA wouldn’t determine a student-athlete’s eligibility until they apply to the NCAA Clearinghouse...that’s when they would dig for information such as impermissible benefits or under the table payments/gifts etc. They probably wouldn’t dig that far back though...probably Freshman year of H.S. would be the furthest back I would guess.

[Oaks]

Are the CWs back - pictures looked like it.  

Edited December 18, 2021 by Oaks

[Double Dodger]

On 12/17/2020 at 3:55 PM, Shanks2424 said:

THIS IS THE GREATIST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN

What? A bunch of grown men discussing what’s in a nine year olds golf bag?

[Phabs]

We need an updated pic on this I want to see the chopped down elder wand. 

[Medson]

4 minutes ago, Phabs said:

We need an updated pic on this I want to see the chopped down elder wand. 

It’s in PNC photo thread. 

[Phabs]

Just now, Medson said:

It’s in PNC photo thread. 

Just found it.