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One cannot do what they cannot do but what others can do, and are successful with it,  should not be confused with something one shouldn't do if that's their natural motion.    It's a wide open playing field.    Jay Hebert tipped the teapot backward and had a successful career without resorting to army golf or theory, just like the OverHand video attempted to show.  It wasn't the best video- had some off the ball crap while maintaining flexion- but Hebert used the same manner shallowing to win 10 pieces of silver with a major to boot.   

 

 

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People drop the rear shoulder to do and and that’s a 2 way miss.  It’s a wrist movement.   Yank the handle for lag, dump the right shoulder to shallow.  That’s almost every 4-10 handicap tha

I’m going to hate myself in the morning.    ‘I’ve been around Trevino a few times.  I did an outing with him, saw him at PGA West all the time and he actually used me to hustle a big donation t

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2 minutes ago, freowho said:

It probably looked like I was barracking for the video.

Although we might again disagree on my next point. 🙂

The only thing I think should be taught is how to apply forces to the club so the clubface hits the back of the ball with as much controlled speed as possible. Although, this simple action can take a lot of teaching. I think it's very nuanced. Anything after that is purely the result of a persons individual makeup. 

For example, Mickey wright had a natural forward posture away from golf so she hits the ball with a forward posture. Ben Hogan looks like Yul Brynner in the King and I when he talks to people, so it's only natural that he hits it the ball with his hips out. Two of the best golfers in the history of the game with completely different looking swings but both with the same basic principle. 

So, with regards to the video, no I don't think it should be taught. But some people will naturally swing like that when swinging into the back of the ball and it can be a very good way for some people to play. 

It all depends on the goals of the player.  Some people come to you and want to leave 30 min later hitting the ball better.  For that person I would agree, I would give them some simple alignment fixes or swing thoughts and not change much of anything.  For the player that wants to improve overtime, there are certain aspects within a golf swing that would create major improvements down the road. 

For, example, going into side bend straight off the top of the swing would be pretty close to first on my list for an over time focused player teacher relationship.  I would say that I teach into a somewhat cookie cutter style when it comes to a player looking to improve over a long period of time.  But, if someone just wants to maintain or get a little better, then yes it would be a lot more about maximizing their tendencies.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Redjeep83 said:

Maybe, maybe not. Exaggeration drills work to balance things out and could be something to try if it worked for them and helped their swing, right? 

I agree with the notion of exaggeration drills, but most exaggeration drills are exaggerating the correct/desired motion, not something inherently bad. In the extreme case you mentioned, it would really only be useful if being watched by an instructor. "It's going to feel like you are tilting away from the target" is different than "I want you to excessively tilt away from the target". Either way, this guy isn't posting about drills, he's trying to sell an actual swing pattern. He does the same wacky stuff in multiple videos

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10 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

I agree with the notion of exaggeration drills, but most exaggeration drills are exaggerating the correct/desired motion, not something inherently bad. In the extreme case you mentioned, it would really only be useful if being watched by an instructor. "It's going to feel like you are tilting away from the target" is different than "I want you to excessively tilt away from the target". Either way, this guy isn't posting about drills, he's trying to sell an actual swing pattern. He does the same wacky stuff in multiple videos

Right, he’s teaching it as something for everyone and majorly exaggerating which isn’t right.

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8 hours ago, freowho said:

That's my point. So why are people dismissing the video as a way to play golf? 

Because it's not a good way to play golf.  

 

It's a horrible abomination and can lead to some serious back injuries while simultaneously shifting swing path absurdly out and creating a low point several feet behind the ball.

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6 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

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I get where he's going but don't agree with how he's getting there. 

 

If you look at it in the context that the plane is dynamic vs static it makes sense. This is a video from his YouTube channel. 

 

 


How did this thread get on this guy, lol. Admittedly, I haven’t read this thread at all. Isn’t there better stuff to discuss on this topic then this guy who’s channel isn’t worth anyone’s time

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59 minutes ago, Redjeep83 said:


How did this thread get on this guy, lol. Admittedly, I haven’t read this thread at all. Isn’t there better stuff to discuss on this topic then this guy who’s channel isn’t worth anyone’s time

It is about shallowing, many discussing the incorrect way to shallow (early tilt away from the target), then this fella posted this other fella. It's the same guy, I just went down the rabbit hole to see his other "content". It's basically an old guy rambling in his backyard with an assortment of wacky swing aides and contrived motions. And then someone somehow compared him to Trevino

 

14 hours ago, golfsticks said:

Several ways to shallow, none more correct than others.   Upper cut your way out. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Golfbeat said:

Nuff said about that guy. My issue is actually getting rid of shallowing by getting the right shoulder down. Watching this video is painful. 

You and every other hooker of the ball.  (myself included)

 

14 hours ago, Zitlow said:

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I get where he's going but don't agree with how he's getting there. 

 

If you look at it in the context that the plane is dynamic vs static it makes sense. This is a video from his YouTube channel. 

 

 

How you get there is just as important (if not more important) than the position itself (which in this case is still very bad). 

 

That is like saying someone took a nice divot and ignoring the fact that it was behind the ball instead of in front of it

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I have accumulated maybe a couple of dozen books by the greats in playing and teaching.

 

Maybe six of them discuss explicitly shallowing the shaft, and they all say it is the result of proper body motion during the transition.

 

The silence of the 18 supports the position of the 6, because, if the 18 had believed that some sort of intentional hand, wrist, or arm motion was indicated, they would have said so.  

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