2021 Callaway Epic Speed Max - Leaked Photo

[Warrick]

That weight track on the normal MAX is definitely longer than the LS

[ssfranny]

On 1/2/2021 at 5:12 PM, Sean2 said:

Lots of "activity" on the sole of that club. 

 

On 1/2/2021 at 5:10 PM, noodle3872 said:

Callaway will forever be in your debt for not playing this driver. 

I actually play 2 Callaway Epic flash drivers there Jethro

[ssfranny]

On 1/2/2021 at 5:06 PM, tigercolt77 said:

Cool story bruh

Great response Boomer

[jgolf215]

8 hours ago, cardia10 said:

So basically it is the same as the Taylor Made or pick any other OEM concept, add colors, bells, whistles, BS marketing add ons and $50 with no discernable difference in distance or performance. I think we all know by now, unless you have access to tour quality launch monitors and tools, us mortals can't maximize all this anyway. Mute the sound one year, make it pop another. Makes us think it is something unique and different while nothing really changes. If these new drivers every year, or multiple drivers a year were that different, the pros would play the best performing instead of what they are contractually required to play. Heck, half of them are playing "tour" heads that most of us have to pay double just to put our hands on tour van rejects. Marketing is a wonderful thing. These "leaked" pics are them sending them to every club pro weeks early so they can tout them to their membership prior to public release. I can't fault them for trying, but I don't usually buy into the BS. 

As I said "One might argue that all the upgrades amount to little upgrade in the way of performance" Like you just did. 

[vankody]

What subreddit are you following to find these? /r/golf doesn’t have a section for gear heads does it? 

[bsoudi]

On 1/4/2021 at 6:02 PM, jgolf215 said:

GBB Epic introduced the Jailbreak technology. Rogue came next where they redesigned the bars to be lighter and Rogue was much more forgiving as advertised. Epic Flash introduced the AI face. More ball speed on center & off center strikes. Mavrik was the Rogue moving forward. Next generation AI face and drastically improved acoustics. Looks here like Epic Speed/Max introduces the next generation of Jailbreak, along with much needed improvement in acoustics for the Epic line by way of those ridges on the back right. Two driver families updating in alternate years. XR16/Rogue/Mavrik and GBB Epic/ Epic Flash/Epic Speed/Max. Notable technological upgrades in each iteration of each line. One might argue that all the upgrades amount to little upgrade in the way of performance. That's if you're only looking at it in terms of raw distance. However improvements have been made, depending on preference, in shape, color and sound/feel. But each driver differs in the ways I listed. 

They're going to be making little changes each year and try to pass them off as improvements as if they just keep advancing forever. This is great:

 

On 1/5/2021 at 5:45 AM, cardia10 said:

Mute the sound one year, make it pop another.

Which is fine.  People fall for it, so they continue to do it. (I love "improved color" you mention).

 

What I think is funny is that they have 2 separate brand names/models with no consumer difference. It's like the new driver in odd years are Epic, even years it's Mavrik/Rogue, etc. There's no segmentation "for elite players" or "for recreational players." If I'm standing in front of an Epic and a Rogue at PGATSS, I have NO idea which one to buy. 

 

I'm a marketing guy and I dont even understand it. Maybe so that left-overs in subsequent years can become cheaper entry models without hurting the one brand?

[noodle3872]

48 minutes ago, bsoudi said:

They're going to be making little changes each year and try to pass them off as improvements as if they just keep advancing forever. This is great:

 

Which is fine.  People fall for it, so they continue to do it. (I love "improved color" you mention).

 

What I think is funny is that they have 2 separate brand names/models with no consumer difference. It's like the new driver in odd years are Epic, even years it's Mavrik/Rogue, etc. There's no segmentation "for elite players" or "for recreational players." If I'm standing in front of an Epic and a Rogue at PGATSS, I have NO idea which one to buy. 

 

I'm a marketing guy and I dont even understand it. Maybe so that left-overs in subsequent years can become cheaper entry models without hurting the one brand?

The days of “players driver” vs “high handicap driver” are over with the exception of clubs like Titleist TSi4. So when you stand in front of a rack of drivers you have a plethora of choice but the club you buy should be the club that performs best for you via a comprehensive fitting session.

[toddyc]

1 hour ago, bsoudi said:

They're going to be making little changes each year and try to pass them off as improvements as if they just keep advancing forever. This is great:

 

Which is fine.  People fall for it, so they continue to do it. (I love "improved color" you mention).

 

What I think is funny is that they have 2 separate brand names/models with no consumer difference. It's like the new driver in odd years are Epic, even years it's Mavrik/Rogue, etc. There's no segmentation "for elite players" or "for recreational players." If I'm standing in front of an Epic and a Rogue at PGATSS, I have NO idea which one to buy. 

 

I'm a marketing guy and I dont even understand it. Maybe so that left-overs in subsequent years can become cheaper entry models without hurting the one brand?

I’ve always thought it was basically a strategy to release an entire new line yearly with the appearance of a two year cycle. In reality their releases are just as frequent as TaylorMade but they can pretend each one has a two year cycle. 
I don’t mind though yearly releases are good with me

[nsxguy]

7 hours ago, bsoudi said:

They're going to be making little changes each year and try to pass them off as improvements as if they just keep advancing forever. This is great:

 

Which is fine.  People fall for it, so they continue to do it. (I love "improved color" you mention).

 

What I think is funny is that they have 2 separate brand names/models with no consumer difference. It's like the new driver in odd years are Epic, even years it's Mavrik/Rogue, etc. There's no segmentation "for elite players" or "for recreational players." If I'm standing in front of an Epic and a Rogue at PGATSS, I have NO idea which one to buy. 

 

I'm a marketing guy and I dont even understand it. Maybe so that left-overs in subsequent years can become cheaper entry models without hurting the one brand?

 

How is Callaway any different than TM, Ping, or Titleist ?

[jgolf215]

8 hours ago, bsoudi said:

They're going to be making little changes each year and try to pass them off as improvements as if they just keep advancing forever. This is great:

 

Which is fine.  People fall for it, so they continue to do it. (I love "improved color" you mention).

 

What I think is funny is that they have 2 separate brand names/models with no consumer difference. It's like the new driver in odd years are Epic, even years it's Mavrik/Rogue, etc. There's no segmentation "for elite players" or "for recreational players." If I'm standing in front of an Epic and a Rogue at PGATSS, I have NO idea which one to buy. 

 

I'm a marketing guy and I dont even understand it. Maybe so that left-overs in subsequent years can become cheaper entry models without hurting the one brand?

I would agree, especially when the XR16 moved into the Rogue line. Prior to that, Callaway had their flagship driver being composite and an all titanium model at a cheaper price point.

Now, both models are very similar. The only distinction being the Epic line having the sliding weight track. 

[Lavaone]

Not the best looking clubs, not the worst looking clubs.

 

And you can always leave your head cover on.

[EaglesGolf99]

Any info available on the Fairways?

 

Specifically a 16° or 17° Fairway option? 

[Celeras]

On 1/6/2021 at 9:32 PM, nsxguy said:

 

How is Callaway any different than TM, Ping, or Titleist ?

I assume you mean besides the fact that Callaway just released new drivers in September, and Ping hasn't released anything since February 2019?

 

Because that's the difference.

[noodle3872]

8 minutes ago, Celeras said:

I assume you mean besides the fact that Callaway just released new drivers in September, and Ping hasn't released anything since February 2019?

 

Because that's the difference.

Ping also released G425 woods in Fall 2020 just not in North America. 

[theboypinoy]

On 1/5/2021 at 6:30 PM, vankody said:

What subreddit are you following to find these? /r/golf doesn’t have a section for gear heads does it? 

 

People just post them on /r/golf.

 

There are some posts a month, couple months back about them.

[belh22]

callaway typically makes a 16.5 version so I would expect one of those

[radiman]

8 hours ago, Celeras said:

I assume you mean besides the fact that Callaway just released new drivers in September, and Ping hasn't released anything since February 2019?

 

Because that's the difference.

You mean the B21 which is aimed at a completely different group then the Mavrik or the new Epic drivers? 

[ephmen]

Has anyone hit the fairways yet? Seems a few have been lucky enough to hit the driver....

[nsxguy]

9 hours ago, Celeras said:

I assume you mean besides the fact that Callaway just released new drivers in September, and Ping hasn't released anything since February 2019?

 

Because that's the difference.

 

Ouch. Sorry to have ruffled your Pin(g) feathers. I like Ping too.

 

OK, so make it TM, Titleist and Cobra,,,,,,,, 👍

[mosesgolf]

2021 is going to be another fantastic year for drivers.  Cobra Rad, Cally Epic MAX, Ping  G425, TM SIM II, TSI oh my.

[bladehunter]

Staffer I play with got his Speed this week.   Hit it today.  Nice. Really good looking head. Very much like mavrik at address except no Orange.     Biggest difference I saw or heard was the sound.  It has a noticeable Ting like titleist.  Where mavrik has a muted thwack to my ear.  

[SwooshLT]

10 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Staffer I play with got his Speed this week.   Hit it today.  Nice. Really good looking head. Very much like mavrik at address except no Orange.     Biggest difference I saw or heard was the sound.  It has a noticeable Ting like titleist.  Where mavrik has a muted thwack to my ear.  

 

Does the speed look any smaller than your mavrik?  Does it seem to neutral flighted?  

[noodle3872]

1 minute ago, SwooshLT said:

 

Does the speed look any smaller than your mavrik?  Does it seem to neutral flighted?  

It’s my understanding the cyclone shape has been refined for better aerodynamics and the overall footprint is a touch deeper (like a couple mm) front to back. 

[SwooshLT]

1 minute ago, noodle3872 said:

It’s my understanding the cyclone shape has been refined for better aerodynamics and the overall footprint is a touch deeper (like a couple mm) front to back. 

Thanks bud...... so speed and max have similar shape but one has fixed weights (speed) ? 

[bladehunter]

On 1/8/2021 at 11:02 AM, ephmen said:

20 minutes ago, SwooshLT said:

 

Does the speed look any smaller than your mavrik?  Does it seem to neutral flighted?  

 

Edited January 10, 2021 by bladehunter

[bladehunter]

21 minutes ago, SwooshLT said:

 

Does the speed look any smaller than your mavrik?  Does it seem to neutral flighted?  

Yes in a way.  I wish now I’d took side by side pics.   It’s just a round shape that has a hint of looking smaller.  You’d never notice it  without them side by side.  Very faint.  
 

flight was neutral.  I hit a draw And fade with it. Same as mavrik for me.   I’d have to spend some time with it with my preference shaft to see if there’s any spin etc difference. I hit it with the RDX  black.  

[nsxguy]

15 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Staffer I play with got his Speed this week.   Hit it today.  Nice. Really good looking head. Very much like mavrik at address except no Orange.     Biggest difference I saw or heard was the sound.  It has a noticeable Ting like titleist.  Where mavrik has a muted thwack to my ear.  

 

 

Only thing I liked about Mavrik was that "muted thwack".

 

Maybe it's an Epic "thing" ?

 

Epic Flash is loud. Not sure I'd call it a "ting" though but I confess I can't think of a better word to describe it.

 

Not nearly as loud as the L4V or Sumo though.

 

Epic Flash Triple Diamond is more muted though, kinda like Mavrik.

[Warrick]

I suppose Monday before we see address pics of the new Epic MAX?

[bward]

First Review I have seen. 

 

[Brooks_Cupcake]

7 minutes ago, bward said:

First Review I have seen. 

 

sound is incredible