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EPIC SPEED TRIPLE DIAMOND!!    

Uh...take another look at the TSi crowns LOL.

2021 is looking awfully bold. I try not to get too hung up on the bottom of the clubs, but I can say I’m happy the TSi3 exists. 

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8 hours ago, cardia10 said:

So basically it is the same as the Taylor Made or pick any other OEM concept, add colors, bells, whistles, BS marketing add ons and $50 with no discernable difference in distance or performance. I think we all know by now, unless you have access to tour quality launch monitors and tools, us mortals can't maximize all this anyway. Mute the sound one year, make it pop another. Makes us think it is something unique and different while nothing really changes. If these new drivers every year, or multiple drivers a year were that different, the pros would play the best performing instead of what they are contractually required to play. Heck, half of them are playing "tour" heads that most of us have to pay double just to put our hands on tour van rejects. Marketing is a wonderful thing. These "leaked" pics are them sending them to every club pro weeks early so they can tout them to their membership prior to public release. I can't fault them for trying, but I don't usually buy into the BS. 

As I said "One might argue that all the upgrades amount to little upgrade in the way of performance" Like you just did. 

Callaway Epic Max 9* (N/S) Fubuki V 50 / Mavrik Max 9* (N/S) KBS TD 50
Callaway Mavrik 15* 3wd Fubuki Ax f65
Callaway Mavrik  Max 21* 7wd Fubuki Ax f75
Callaway Apex 20* & 23* KuroKage Black 80HY
Callaway Apex UT 24* KBS Tour Prototype Hybrid 85
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Callaway MD5 Jaws 54*/10*S & 58*/08*C 
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On 1/4/2021 at 6:02 PM, jgolf215 said:

GBB Epic introduced the Jailbreak technology. Rogue came next where they redesigned the bars to be lighter and Rogue was much more forgiving as advertised. Epic Flash introduced the AI face. More ball speed on center & off center strikes. Mavrik was the Rogue moving forward. Next generation AI face and drastically improved acoustics. Looks here like Epic Speed/Max introduces the next generation of Jailbreak, along with much needed improvement in acoustics for the Epic line by way of those ridges on the back right. Two driver families updating in alternate years. XR16/Rogue/Mavrik and GBB Epic/ Epic Flash/Epic Speed/Max. Notable technological upgrades in each iteration of each line. One might argue that all the upgrades amount to little upgrade in the way of performance. That's if you're only looking at it in terms of raw distance. However improvements have been made, depending on preference, in shape, color and sound/feel. But each driver differs in the ways I listed. 

They're going to be making little changes each year and try to pass them off as improvements as if they just keep advancing forever. This is great:

 

On 1/5/2021 at 5:45 AM, cardia10 said:

Mute the sound one year, make it pop another.

Which is fine.  People fall for it, so they continue to do it. (I love "improved color" you mention).

 

What I think is funny is that they have 2 separate brand names/models with no consumer difference. It's like the new driver in odd years are Epic, even years it's Mavrik/Rogue, etc. There's no segmentation "for elite players" or "for recreational players." If I'm standing in front of an Epic and a Rogue at PGATSS, I have NO idea which one to buy. 

 

I'm a marketing guy and I dont even understand it. Maybe so that left-overs in subsequent years can become cheaper entry models without hurting the one brand?

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48 minutes ago, bsoudi said:

They're going to be making little changes each year and try to pass them off as improvements as if they just keep advancing forever. This is great:

 

Which is fine.  People fall for it, so they continue to do it. (I love "improved color" you mention).

 

What I think is funny is that they have 2 separate brand names/models with no consumer difference. It's like the new driver in odd years are Epic, even years it's Mavrik/Rogue, etc. There's no segmentation "for elite players" or "for recreational players." If I'm standing in front of an Epic and a Rogue at PGATSS, I have NO idea which one to buy. 

 

I'm a marketing guy and I dont even understand it. Maybe so that left-overs in subsequent years can become cheaper entry models without hurting the one brand?

The days of “players driver” vs “high handicap driver” are over with the exception of clubs like Titleist TSi4. So when you stand in front of a rack of drivers you have a plethora of choice but the club you buy should be the club that performs best for you via a comprehensive fitting session.

Callaway Epic Speed 9° driver Tensei Pro White 1K 50 S Flex

Callaway Mavrik 15° fairway wood Tensei Pro Blue 60 S Flex

Callaway Mavrik 20° hybrid Tensei Pro Blue Hybrid 70S Flex

Callaway Mavrik 23° hybrid Tensei Pro Blue Hybrid 80 S Flex

Mizuno JPX 921 Forged 4-PW & GW Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

Mizuno T20 Raw Wedges 50-07 Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

Mizuno T20 Raw Wedges 55-13 and 60-06 Modus3 125 Wedge

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1 hour ago, bsoudi said:

They're going to be making little changes each year and try to pass them off as improvements as if they just keep advancing forever. This is great:

 

Which is fine.  People fall for it, so they continue to do it. (I love "improved color" you mention).

 

What I think is funny is that they have 2 separate brand names/models with no consumer difference. It's like the new driver in odd years are Epic, even years it's Mavrik/Rogue, etc. There's no segmentation "for elite players" or "for recreational players." If I'm standing in front of an Epic and a Rogue at PGATSS, I have NO idea which one to buy. 

 

I'm a marketing guy and I dont even understand it. Maybe so that left-overs in subsequent years can become cheaper entry models without hurting the one brand?

I’ve always thought it was basically a strategy to release an entire new line yearly with the appearance of a two year cycle. In reality their releases are just as frequent as TaylorMade but they can pretend each one has a two year cycle. 
I don’t mind though yearly releases are good with me

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7 hours ago, bsoudi said:

They're going to be making little changes each year and try to pass them off as improvements as if they just keep advancing forever. This is great:

 

Which is fine.  People fall for it, so they continue to do it. (I love "improved color" you mention).

 

What I think is funny is that they have 2 separate brand names/models with no consumer difference. It's like the new driver in odd years are Epic, even years it's Mavrik/Rogue, etc. There's no segmentation "for elite players" or "for recreational players." If I'm standing in front of an Epic and a Rogue at PGATSS, I have NO idea which one to buy. 

 

I'm a marketing guy and I dont even understand it. Maybe so that left-overs in subsequent years can become cheaper entry models without hurting the one brand?

 

How is Callaway any different than TM, Ping, or Titleist ?

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8 hours ago, bsoudi said:

They're going to be making little changes each year and try to pass them off as improvements as if they just keep advancing forever. This is great:

 

Which is fine.  People fall for it, so they continue to do it. (I love "improved color" you mention).

 

What I think is funny is that they have 2 separate brand names/models with no consumer difference. It's like the new driver in odd years are Epic, even years it's Mavrik/Rogue, etc. There's no segmentation "for elite players" or "for recreational players." If I'm standing in front of an Epic and a Rogue at PGATSS, I have NO idea which one to buy. 

 

I'm a marketing guy and I dont even understand it. Maybe so that left-overs in subsequent years can become cheaper entry models without hurting the one brand?

I would agree, especially when the XR16 moved into the Rogue line. Prior to that, Callaway had their flagship driver being composite and an all titanium model at a cheaper price point.

Now, both models are very similar. The only distinction being the Epic line having the sliding weight track. 

Callaway Epic Max 9* (N/S) Fubuki V 50 / Mavrik Max 9* (N/S) KBS TD 50
Callaway Mavrik 15* 3wd Fubuki Ax f65
Callaway Mavrik  Max 21* 7wd Fubuki Ax f75
Callaway Apex 20* & 23* KuroKage Black 80HY
Callaway Apex UT 24* KBS Tour Prototype Hybrid 85
Callaway  Mavrik Pro KBS TGI 5-9 
Callaway MD3 46*/8* & 50/10* 
Callaway MD5 Jaws 54*/10*S & 58*/08*C 
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Any info available on the Fairways?

 

Specifically a 16° or 17° Fairway option? 

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Callaway Apex 2H Speeder 904X
Callaway Apex 4H Speeder 904X
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Miura CB1008 6-9 iCWT Proto 105X
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On 1/6/2021 at 9:32 PM, nsxguy said:

 

How is Callaway any different than TM, Ping, or Titleist ?

I assume you mean besides the fact that Callaway just released new drivers in September, and Ping hasn't released anything since February 2019?

 

Because that's the difference.

Ping G400 Max 9.5*

Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 3W

Ping G410 2H

Cobra Forged Tec 4-6 iron, ONE length

Ping G400 7-UW

Cleveland CBX 54/58

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8 minutes ago, Celeras said:

I assume you mean besides the fact that Callaway just released new drivers in September, and Ping hasn't released anything since February 2019?

 

Because that's the difference.

Ping also released G425 woods in Fall 2020 just not in North America. 

Callaway Epic Speed 9° driver Tensei Pro White 1K 50 S Flex

Callaway Mavrik 15° fairway wood Tensei Pro Blue 60 S Flex

Callaway Mavrik 20° hybrid Tensei Pro Blue Hybrid 70S Flex

Callaway Mavrik 23° hybrid Tensei Pro Blue Hybrid 80 S Flex

Mizuno JPX 921 Forged 4-PW & GW Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

Mizuno T20 Raw Wedges 50-07 Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

Mizuno T20 Raw Wedges 55-13 and 60-06 Modus3 125 Wedge

Odyssey RSX Milled V-Line Fang 

Callaway Chrome Soft X

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8 hours ago, Celeras said:

I assume you mean besides the fact that Callaway just released new drivers in September, and Ping hasn't released anything since February 2019?

 

Because that's the difference.

You mean the B21 which is aimed at a completely different group then the Mavrik or the new Epic drivers? 

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9 hours ago, Celeras said:

I assume you mean besides the fact that Callaway just released new drivers in September, and Ping hasn't released anything since February 2019?

 

Because that's the difference.

 

Ouch. Sorry to have ruffled your Pin(g) feathers. I like Ping too. :classic_smile:

 

OK, so make it TM, Titleist and Cobra,,,,,,,, 👍

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Staffer I play with got his Speed this week.   Hit it today.  Nice. Really good looking head. Very much like mavrik at address except no Orange.     Biggest difference I saw or heard was the sound.  It has a noticeable Ting like titleist.  Where mavrik has a muted thwack to my ear.  

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10 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Staffer I play with got his Speed this week.   Hit it today.  Nice. Really good looking head. Very much like mavrik at address except no Orange.     Biggest difference I saw or heard was the sound.  It has a noticeable Ting like titleist.  Where mavrik has a muted thwack to my ear.  

 

Does the speed look any smaller than your mavrik?  Does it seem to neutral flighted?  

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1 minute ago, SwooshLT said:

 

Does the speed look any smaller than your mavrik?  Does it seem to neutral flighted?  

It’s my understanding the cyclone shape has been refined for better aerodynamics and the overall footprint is a touch deeper (like a couple mm) front to back. 

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Callaway Epic Speed 9° driver Tensei Pro White 1K 50 S Flex

Callaway Mavrik 15° fairway wood Tensei Pro Blue 60 S Flex

Callaway Mavrik 20° hybrid Tensei Pro Blue Hybrid 70S Flex

Callaway Mavrik 23° hybrid Tensei Pro Blue Hybrid 80 S Flex

Mizuno JPX 921 Forged 4-PW & GW Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

Mizuno T20 Raw Wedges 50-07 Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

Mizuno T20 Raw Wedges 55-13 and 60-06 Modus3 125 Wedge

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On 1/8/2021 at 11:02 AM, ephmen said:
20 minutes ago, SwooshLT said:

 

Does the speed look any smaller than your mavrik?  Does it seem to neutral flighted?  

 

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21 minutes ago, SwooshLT said:

 

Does the speed look any smaller than your mavrik?  Does it seem to neutral flighted?  

Yes in a way.  I wish now I’d took side by side pics.   It’s just a round shape that has a hint of looking smaller.  You’d never notice it  without them side by side.  Very faint.  
 

flight was neutral.  I hit a draw And fade with it. Same as mavrik for me.   I’d have to spend some time with it with my preference shaft to see if there’s any spin etc difference. I hit it with the RDX  black.  

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15 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Staffer I play with got his Speed this week.   Hit it today.  Nice. Really good looking head. Very much like mavrik at address except no Orange.     Biggest difference I saw or heard was the sound.  It has a noticeable Ting like titleist.  Where mavrik has a muted thwack to my ear.  

 

:classic_laugh:

 

Only thing I liked about Mavrik was that "muted thwack".

 

Maybe it's an Epic "thing" ? 51683a_cd84c05761974e119b407e0c7eed70ce~

 

Epic Flash is loud. Not sure I'd call it a "ting" though but I confess I can't think of a better word to describe it.

 

Not nearly as loud as the L4V or Sumo though. shocked.gif

 

Epic Flash Triple Diamond is more muted though, kinda like Mavrik.

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