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On 12/29/2020 at 11:41 AM, thisjustanother said:

i feel this is pretty close to my situations. im a weekend hack golfer. my handicap is estimated to be 16. ive ranged games from 83 all the way up to 103. the last 4 rounds have been pretty decent and felt pretty dialed in on the course. but i do hate the outcome of having my handicap dumping me below 70.

No offence, but a handicap is not an estimate. Your index is a specific number calculated to one decimal point.

 

It is always a HUGE red flag when someone says, my handicap is about XX or around XX or I would estimate it to be XX. It means they either don't have a valid handicap index or they don't want to tell it to you. 

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Okay some thoughts (and huge assumptions*). Let's say you have 40 of these events per year and the field for each flight is 10 players. By pure number the guy should win 4 times per year (ie 10% of th

Not enough to accuse him of cheating or even frame a thread title with that as the teaser, IMO. 

Is he shooting 78s at you every Saturday but still keeping a 15 cap?

7 hours ago, 2bGood said:

No offence, but a handicap is not an estimate. Your index is a specific number calculated to one decimal point.

 

It is always a HUGE red flag when someone says, my handicap is about XX or around XX or I would estimate it to be XX. It means they either don't have a valid handicap index or they don't want to tell it to you. 

It depends on context. The majority of times I'm asked about my handicap, it's in casual conversation between folks trying to get to know each other and their games a bit better. In those situations I do, in fact, round my index to the nearest whole number and will often say "it's about x".  It would feel awkward to state my index to its exact value to a tenth of a point. That is only useful/suitable when calculating actual handicaps for true competition. All my buddies who do keep handicaps seem to do likewise. No red flags there.

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On 12/27/2020 at 7:24 PM, naval2006 said:

Like three or four years ago a guy from another city started playing at my course. He finally moved to my town and now he has been playing at my course for at least two full seasons. To frame my question: we play a one day competition every Saturday and the scores are posted.  Average a player like me or my mates who compete every Saturday win say two to five times a year.  And that an average that grows smaller as players get older. 

 

I’ve noticed this guy has been winning a lot. A real lot.  As we are different age and different net brackets we never come across but it’s noticeable how often he wins. This year I’ve got him winning at least nine or ten times. And last year when I started to follow him he must have won around a dozen times. He’s a 15 capper give or take and he always plays with the same guys.  He never meddles with other players, not even for socialising. 

 

He isn’t even a sandbagger but I don’t know why I feel the guy is a cheat.  Stats are really weird.  And I haven’t even played with him a single time.  

 

As Hawkeye mentioned there's not nearly enough here to make a judgement.

 

How much is "a real lot" ?

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2 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

As Hawkeye mentioned there's not nearly enough here to make a judgement.

 

How much is "a real lot" ?

More than “ quite a bit”. A smidge more to be exact. 😉

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On 12/28/2020 at 6:10 PM, hybrid25 said:

Great answer. I was down to 11.4 and had some wrist issues and the hc jumped up to 16.2 . Now I am at 14.1

It doesn't take much in golf to add 4 or 5 strokes to a game. Still, I feel like I have cheated somehow. These are all actual scores, no bagging. I still feel guilty though.

 

Actually it often takes quite a bit to add 4 or 5 strokes to one's 'cap.

 

That aside you only listed your 12 comps. Didn't you play any other rounds either side, or in between those comp scores ? Without seeing them your results really don't tell us much.

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On 12/28/2020 at 10:10 PM, 2bGood said:

 To your question - of there is something going on.

 

You shot under you cap 5/12 times or 42%. This statistically pretty high. Then you shot a net -6. Odds of doing that once is 536:1. if you had shot -7 you would have an automatic exceptional score reduction. The numbers would make most handicap committee take notice.

 

But read my post about winners and losers above. Your field of 64 must be chock a block filled with losers* as you shot 15 over and came in in the top third of the field - (44 people shot worse than net 15 over 🤨.) You also managed to win with a +2.   By the stats around 16 guys should shoot around their handicap at each event - the fact +7 is a top 10 finish is silly. The fields are not very strong, and if you are a winner as described above I can see why you did well.

 

I am also supirsed you managed to get up to 16.2 as you would be soft capped 14.4 and hard-capped at 17.4. That would take some work to get it up there.

 

*I don't mean loser in a pejorative way, I am using to describe people who are much more likely than average golfs to lose events.

 

 

 

Not necessarily something "going on". Without a bunch of his other score either side or in between those scores don't say much.

 

As for his odds, I think you're mistaken.

 

Net is irrelevant. Differentials are what counts. Although with the new CR-PAR for the CH the nets are much closer to the differentials.

 

Given his course is 58-6200 yards and his course handicaps hover between 11-14. Given the course ratings were most likely below par, I'm guessing at least 2 strokes but maybe 3, his differentials aren't likely to be -6 and -7. Most likely between -3 to -5. Still pretty good but,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

And there's something really strange about that -6 AND the -4 nets. He got 17 shots on each of those scores. First one was right after(?) an 11 CH. 6 shots higher the next round ? And 17 shots when the 'cap was around 14-15 indicates playing from much further back. Really ?

 

Anyway, sure would like to see the course ratings & slope for those rounds. 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, nsxguy said:

.......Anyway, sure would like to see the course ratings & slope for those rounds. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Indeed.  Without that information the conversation is  somewhat pointless.

 

@hybrid25

You  asked What handicap do you think I am    On Tuesday, I said that if you told us the course and slope ratings of the course(s) played, you could get an answer.   Now nsxguy makes the same point.

 

Any chance you might tell us this year? 😀

 

 

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7 hours ago, nsxguy said:

 

As Hawkeye mentioned there's not nearly enough here to make a judgement.

 

How much is "a real lot" ?

This one day weekly competitions gives you the opportunity of multiple wins every year.  A player who’s learning faster than their handicap goes down may win twice a month for around two or three months. A hot winning streak. After that they come back to normal. 

 

Normal al is in your net bracket with a handicap you do play decently you may win 2 or three times a year or if you have a hot streak you can win 3 or 4 times in a couple of months and everybody comes and says oh you’re hot-handed. 

 

We all know how golf comes and goes. So the game goes and you can spend the rest of the year without a win. A buddy of mine hasn’t won a tournament for over 3 years now. 

 

In my bracket we’re usually 20 odd players. I won two stroke plays, the summer ranking and one fourball competition.  Three or four second places and that’s it. Normal performance. 

 

My old man won twice this year. He’s  a 15 capper and 78 years old. 

 

My playing partners have won twice and five times. 

 

This is season had a 3 month break. 

 

And the guy we are discussing has won like ten times and he hasn’t improved faster than his handicap like kids or new players do.  Even more remarkable since last year he’s won a similar number of times. 

 

Think of a hot handed PGA tour player and how long their streaks last. Or think of a tour pro with two outstanding years in a row. Tiger or Rory may fit there. Not many more. 

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This could be the difference in when someone posts scores to their HDCP. If your playing casual rounds where there might be some putts given or the occasional breakfast ball or maybe rolling the ball and then you post that score, you are going to be posting a better score than what you actually shot. So therefore this hurts your HDCP and when guys have to play an event by the rules they are in a better flight than they should be. That is why you should only post scores that have been played completely by the rules. Maybe some do it so they can brag about having a lower HDCP but in the end it hurts them when they need to actually use that HDCP in an event. 

 

Example...

I play in two leagues, one is a 9 hole match play league and the other is a travel Saturday league.  In the matchplay league my HDCP was 4.3(18 hole) this year and my travel league cap is 9.1.  The travel league does not allow putts to be given and very rarely do they not play the ball down. If we do play lift clean and place it is your fairway only. But in the matchplay league we can concede putts and on occasion if it is wet enough we will play lift clean and place everywhere. So if I were to play in tournaments using the 4.3 I am screwed! The 9.1 is definitely where I should be at this time. But if someone ask me what my HDCP is, I puff out my chest and throw out that 4.3 number! 

 

Also some guys might have one major weakness that keeps the HDCP higher and all it takes is for them to have a good day in that area to shoot good scores. Like my short game is what is holding me back from being closer to scratch. I got the chipping yips a couple of years ago and can't seem to shake it. But if I can hit some greens and not need to chip I can shoot some scores. or if I miss in some good spots and can putt from off the green I am good.  

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So taking the hypothetical that something is going on - what next?  Maybe, without making accusations that wouldn't probably end well, figure out a way to have some of the events be random draw so that members "get to know each other better"? Sort of a faux bonding thing where everyone also gets a chance to look over everyone else's shoulder so to speak in the competition setting. Actually, I would enjoy that kind of thing for its stated purpose but I know some places the same people always "have" to play together and get fussy if they can't.  Just a thought.

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54 minutes ago, joekelli said:

This could be the difference in when someone posts scores to their HDCP. If your playing casual rounds where there might be some putts given or the occasional breakfast ball or maybe rolling the ball and then you post that score, you are going to be posting a better score than what you actually shot. So therefore this hurts your HDCP and when guys have to play an event by the rules they are in a better flight than they should be. That is why you should only post scores that have been played completely by the rules. Maybe some do it so they can brag about having a lower HDCP but in the end it hurts them when they need to actually use that HDCP in an event. 

 

Example...

I play in two leagues, one is a 9 hole match play league and the other is a travel Saturday league.  In the matchplay league my HDCP was 4.3(18 hole) this year and my travel league cap is 9.1.  The travel league does not allow putts to be given and very rarely do they not play the ball down. If we do play lift clean and place it is your fairway only. But in the matchplay league we can concede putts and on occasion if it is wet enough we will play lift clean and place everywhere. So if I were to play in tournaments using the 4.3 I am screwed! The 9.1 is definitely where I should be at this time. But if someone ask me what my HDCP is, I puff out my chest and throw out that 4.3 number! 

 

Also some guys might have one major weakness that keeps the HDCP higher and all it takes is for them to have a good day in that area to shoot good scores. Like my short game is what is holding me back from being closer to scratch. I got the chipping yips a couple of years ago and can't seem to shake it. But if I can hit some greens and not need to chip I can shoot some scores. or if I miss in some good spots and can putt from off the green I am good.  

I have heard on here that some folks from the US would favour (favor) two handicaps, one based on competition rounds or pre-registered, attested singles stroke play rounds (what we would call over here ‘serious golf’) as used in many parts of the world, and another index based on other formats e.g. better ball and strokeplay rounds.
The above post seems to show this to good effect as the player has two widely different indexes, 4.3 and 9.1 dependent on how the rounds are calculated. It goes to show how difficult it is to handicap everyone in a lot of different formats and ways of playing.

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51 minutes ago, Deceptively Short said:

I have heard on here that some folks from the US would favour (favor) two handicaps, one based on competition rounds or pre-registered, attested singles stroke play rounds (what we would call over here ‘serious golf’) as used in many parts of the world, and another index based on other formats e.g. better ball and strokeplay rounds.
The above post seems to show this to good effect as the player has two widely different indexes, 4.3 and 9.1 dependent on how the rounds are calculated. It goes to show how difficult it is to handicap everyone in a lot of different formats and ways of playing.

USA here and I have never heard of keeping two handicaps. I am guessing one, or both, of the leagues he is referring to uses a system where only scores shot in that league count towards their league handicap? Seems an odd way to do it and his logic was  in line with many players lament that they cannot play to their handicap. And you are not supposed to! Well, not more than 20-25% of the time anyways. So he seems quite comfortable with the 9.1 as it is probably closer to his scoring average.

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6 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

USA here and I have never heard of keeping two handicaps. I am guessing one, or both, of the leagues he is referring to uses a system where only scores shot in that league count towards their league handicap? Seems an odd way to do it and his logic was  in line with many players lament that they cannot play to their handicap. And you are not supposed to! Well, not more than 20-25% of the time anyways. So he seems quite comfortable with the 9.1 as it is probably closer to his scoring average.

I've played in a few leagues here (US) with modified handicaps for the league only. There were gimmies, and since it was stroke play but every hole was also an individual match you's see giving someone a 20 footer for a triple when they have a 5 foot par putt. So that would throw averages off.

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Many leagues maintain their own "handycap*" for play in those leagues.  For example, Men's Night "handycaps", which might be calculated for nine holes only using the best two of your last four Men's Night scores.  Obviously, these "handycaps" are not official and are useless outside of that club's Men's Night.

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51 minutes ago, Warrior42111 said:

I've played in a few leagues here (US) with modified handicaps for the league only. There were gimmies, and since it was stroke play but every hole was also an individual match you's see giving someone a 20 footer for a triple when they have a 5 foot par putt. So that would throw averages off.

They don’t have to post the “20 foot gimme” .  They should post most likely score which would include a two putt from 20 feet.

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On 12/28/2020 at 11:15 AM, 2bGood said:

Okay some thoughts (and huge assumptions*). Let's say you have 40 of these events per year and the field for each flight is 10 players. By pure number the guy should win 4 times per year (ie 10% of the time). but the numbers don't really work like that, particularly at the 15 cap level: 

 

1. Some guys are just 'losers' when it come to these events - they have a vanity cap, that get nervous in competition or they are prone to big blow up holes that do not effect your score for handicapping but do in events. In some flights, these guys can make up 30%-50% of the field. 

 

2. Some guys are winners - they get more focused in events, they are used to competing and their game is pretty steady. Two major version come to mind. The first - they play allot of mean nothing games, but love to compete. Their caps are a bit high as they lack focus in day to day golf with nothing on the line, but find another gear for events. The other is the guy that plays high pressure games all the time, typically big money games and finds playing in the Saturday club competitions a relaxing affair compared to what they are used to. 

 

So if the flight has allot of guys from category #1 and he is from #2 - then his odds of winning are more like 25-30%. Back to 10 guys in a flight x 40 events that fall right in to the numbers he is winning - 9-12 times per year.

 

*Back to the huge assumption part - I assumed that the flights are small and you have a decent number of events given you are expecting guys to win 2-5 times. 

 

One part I would like clarification on, is you said odds of winning going down as they get older? Why?

 

I think someone has been following my golf game here...Lol.  I am currently a 14.6 handicap and was as low as 11.4 early in 2020.  Most of my rounds I'm playing is with my son (13) trying to help him learn all the rules of golf, how to hit certain shots/scenarios, etc. as he's on the high school team.  So because of that most of "My Rounds" are the casual round where I put more time into his game & just play what I play.  But any chance I get to play in a scramble or individual tourney, I flip that switch and become laser focused.  Its about the competition for me (former College Baseball player).  Now I'm not saying I'm great by no means, but typical rounds are between 81-85 just playing without any major hiccups.  When I really focus I've had my career low of 75 (+5) but can shoot 77-80.  When I play "bad" I'm looking 86-89 in the face.  But I'm also the guy that has 3 scenarios that usually play out....1. My driver is on and dictates how low I can go, 2. I have (1) blow up hole and it derails my round or 3. I have a bad front or back and flip the switch and play the other 9 great (ex. last round shot +13 front, +1 back (eagle & birdie) for an 84.

 

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Below are the approx ratings for the five 1st's I had. I say approx because the courses may have been set up specially for our tournament, but not drastically different:

 

Actual-------Net-----To Par-----Placing

     81          70        - 1              1st

     83          66        - 6              1st

     82          69        - 3              1st

     85          73        +2              1st

     83          66        - 4               1st

 

71, 5563yds, 72.5, 124
72, 6050yds, 69.7, 124
72, 5988yds, 69.3, 129
71, 5875yds, 74.3, 140
70, 5948yds, 70.0, 122

 

 

 

 

 

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Below are the approx ratings for the five 1st's I had. I say approx because the courses may have been set up specially for our tournament, but not drastically different:

 

Actual-------Net-----To Par-----Placing

     81          70        - 1              1st

     83          66        - 6              1st

     82          69        - 3              1st

     85          73        +2              1st

     83          66        - 4               1st

 

71, 5563yds, 72.5, 124
72, 6050yds, 69.7, 124
72, 5988yds, 69.3, 129
71, 5875yds, 74.3, 140
70, 5948yds, 70.0, 122

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wanna know what 5800 yard course is 74.3 and 140??  Bethpage is only 77.5/155 from 7400 yards and 74.2/148 from 6700 yards.

 

And 2ndly, assuming the courses are in order, how was the 69.7/124 = 17 strokes, but the 69.3/129 = 13 strokes.   Regardless - the calculations don't make sense unless you lost 5 HC points btw those rounds??

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Shilgy said:

USA here and I have never heard of keeping two handicaps. I am guessing one, or both, of the leagues he is referring to uses a system where only scores shot in that league count towards their league handicap? Seems an odd way to do it and his logic was  in line with many players lament that they cannot play to their handicap. And you are not supposed to! Well, not more than 20-25% of the time anyways. So he seems quite comfortable with the 9.1 as it is probably closer to his scoring average.

 

i think keeping 2 different handicaps is more common than we'd like to think.

 

My home club is a member of a local authorized USGA association. They kept a "Club Only" handicap. Just as it sounds it's made up of ONLY club rounds at our HOME course on club dates.

 

ALL other rounds played go into GHIN along with our home rounds but any club event at home used the "Home Only" 'caps.

 

When the club went on an outing they would use the GHIN handicaps. Now, most of our players only played on club dates at home so of course their 'caps were the same, home and away.

 

And when we went on an outing they would be at a disadvantage since those who played a fair number of round "away" would always have a higher GHIN 'cap and would get more strokes on outings.

 

And an organized "game" (as opposed to a USGA member club) down here in SoFla does the same thing. I have to put my rounds into GHIN. They only keep a handicap for rounds played with them - and that's the number you use when playing with them the next time. They don't care about your GHIN 'cap.

 

I sense there are quite a lot of "games" like that around Florida, or even much of the States.

 

 

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Ok, I was able to go back to the tournament entry page and get the exact course set up with the 'correct' rating for that day. Here they are:


71, 5530yds, 66.8,  120
72, 6050yds, 69.7   124 
72, 5988yds, 69.3,  129
71, 5827yds,   68.3, 126
70, 5970yds,  70.1,  128

 

 

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14 hours ago, hybrid25 said:

Ok, I was able to go back to the tournament entry page and get the exact course set up with the 'correct' rating for that day. Here they are:


71, 5530yds, 66.8,  120
72, 6050yds, 69.7   124 
72, 5988yds, 69.3,  129
71, 5827yds,   68.3, 126
70, 5970yds,  70.1,  128

 

 

12 scores in a score  record  would mean the four best score differentials being averaged to find the handicap index.  The four best scores you've given would result in a handicap index of 12.0 but that's just an indication of how you were playing over that period of time.  The positive I'd suggest from that is that you are heading back to the level you were at before your injury and if you maintain that form your HI will come down further.

 

In summary, your handicap went up when you were injured, as it should.  Now it is coming down again because you are overcoming the injury and playing better, as it should.  For a spell there may be a disparity to your advantage between your handicap index and your level of play until the poorer scores drop out of the most recent 20 but that's the way the system works and not a reason to beat yourself up over thoughts of being a sandbagger.  It's quite likely that at the start of  your injury period, your handicap index was lower than you actually needed because of the effect of the better scores still in the 20.   

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Colin L said:

12 scores in a score  record  would mean the four best score differentials being averaged to find the handicap index.  The four best scores you've given would result in a handicap index of 12.0 but that's just an indication of how you were playing over that period of time.  The positive I'd suggest from that is that you are heading back to the level you were at before your injury and if you maintain that form your HI will come down further.

 

In summary, your handicap went up when you were injured, as it should.  Now it is coming down again because you are overcoming the injury and playing better, as it should.  For a spell there may be a disparity to your advantage between your handicap index and your level of play until the poorer scores drop out of the most recent 20 but that's the way the system works and not a reason to beat yourself up over thoughts of being a sandbagger.  It's quite likely that at the start of  your injury period, your handicap index was lower than you actually needed because of the effect of the better scores still in the 20.   

 

 

I understand what you are saying and agree, basically the injury was to my advantage. I still feel like my cap didn't represent me well when I started to feel better, as it more appropriately should have been a little lower to actually represent my potential. Oh well, I do expect my index to come down to about 12 after the start of next golf season. 

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Interesting topic.   For me. I just don’t care sometimes unless I have something on the line to compete for.  Doesn’t need to be $. Just bragging rights.    Throw me in a group with 3 20 caps snd im likely to shoot 10-15 over my cap because I’m just not interested in trying hard or grinding.  I usually treat these rounds as practice.  Where I’ll try things I otherwise wouldn’t if the score mattered.  
 

example  wife’s cousin says” come up and play at my course for Christmas “.  I’m game. But no chance I’m posting that score.  Why ?    I’ll be in a group of his pals ( all legitimate 15-18 handicaps ) and it’s not really polite to go drum your hosts. I’ll play the par 5s as 3 shotters and work on the wedge game , and hit a lot of irons off the tee on par 4s to work out the long irons.  Arrogant ?  Maybe.  But it’s the truth.  Finding real competitive rounds isn’t as easy as you think.  Maybe this Guy posts all of his rounds regardless and then loves competition ? 

 

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On 1/1/2021 at 1:11 PM, bladehunter said:

Interesting topic.   For me. I just don’t care sometimes unless I have something on the line to compete for.  Doesn’t need to be $. Just bragging rights.    Throw me in a group with 3 20 caps snd im likely to shoot 10-15 over my cap because I’m just not interested in trying hard or grinding.  I usually treat these rounds as practice.  Where I’ll try things I otherwise wouldn’t if the score mattered.  
 

example  wife’s cousin says” come up and play at my course for Christmas “.  I’m game. But no chance I’m posting that score.  Why ?    I’ll be in a group of his pals ( all legitimate 15-18 handicaps ) and it’s not really polite to go drum your hosts. I’ll play the par 5s as 3 shotters and work on the wedge game , and hit a lot of irons off the tee on par 4s to work out the long irons.  Arrogant ?  Maybe.  But it’s the truth.  Finding real competitive rounds isn’t as easy as you think.  Maybe this Guy posts all of his rounds regardless and then loves competition ? 

Not to threadjack but is this your cheater bag you’re listing? You’ve gone from Blueprints to Miura cb’s  and now T100”s?  Haven’t you said in the past those type of irons are cheating?

 

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39 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Not to threadjack but is this your cheater bag you’re listing? You’ve gone from Blueprints to Miura cb’s  and now T100”s?  Haven’t you said in the past those type of irons are cheating?

 

C’mon Man!!! 😲

Yea.  And it’s not doing well.  Scoring average for 5 rounds  with them is up 4 shots.  Wonderful irons. Easy to hit.  But I think my conscience is rejecting them. 

 

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1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

Yea.  And it’s not doing well.  Scoring average for 5 rounds  with them is up 4 shots.  Wonderful irons. Easy to hit.  But I think my conscience is rejecting them. 

 

I was going to note the same thing the Shilgster just did but I was going to wait for the "4th set". :classic_laugh:

 

I don't remember what you had before the Blueprints. :classic_cool:

 

 

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15 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

I was going to note the same thing the Shilgster just did but I was going to wait for the "4th set". :classic_laugh:

 

I don't remember what you had before the Blueprints. :classic_cool:

 

 

Neither do I.  lol. I played them since early may 2019.  Before they came out.    I guess it was the old 681 tour proto set.  Which is in the closet and I’d likely be buried with.  Wish I could Own a new set of those.  

 

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5 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Neither do I.  lol. I played them since early may 2019.  Before they came out.    I guess it was the old 681 tour proto set.  Which is in the closet and I’d likely be buried with.  Wish I could Own a new set of those.  

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18 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Put your wallet where your mouth is lol! Next thing to new!
 

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Oh trust me. Im on the lookout.  Look at the set below.  $3300.  I could kick myself for not buying the set they had on a year or so ago that was built for jay haas.  They sold for $760. Not mint. But not really used either.   That expensive set is Steve Elkingtons.  They’ll never sell for that , they’re refinished and I’m the only one who wants them.  Lol. I could have my set rechromed and  have one third that in them.  
 

heres a real set. Lol.  The T stamp copies are just meh .... they’ll never bring near that price.  I’ve never seen a set actually sell over $1k.  This set below is identical to mine.  Except I don’t have the 2 iron. Matt jones didn’t play one.  

 

 


 

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