Evnroll V Series Putters

[osubuckeyes691]

Looks like Evnroll is really stepping up the game this year with new head shapes and each head shape having the option of 4 different hosels. 

 

Cannot wait until these come out. 

 

Saw the article on another common site that does a lot of unbiased testing, etc............. (don't know if I'm supposed to link articles I'm playing it a little safe here haha)

Edited January 4, 2021 by osubuckeyes691

[Green Valley]

Er 11v looks mighty forgiving. 

[SeaIsland]

Custom should also include allowing for sightline or no sightline preferences. At these price points the idea that they can't hold a little additional component inventory really stinks. I genuinely think that the putting manufacturers are missing out on an active/hardcore segment of their market. The idea that Evnroll's blade-style putters don't provide a naked option and/or sightline options is an unforced error --IMHO. Go on Ebay and look at the price points on naked putters. They all go at a premium. 

[osubuckeyes691]

1 minute ago, SeaIsland said:

Custom should also include allowing for sightline or no sightline preferences. At these price points the idea that they can't hold a little additional component inventory really stinks. I genuinely think that the putting manufacturers are missing out on an active/hardcore segment of their market. The idea that Evnroll's blade-style putters don't provide a naked option and/or sightline options is an unforced error --IMHO. Go on Ebay and look at the price points on naked putters. They all go at a premium. 

This comment comes up in every putter forum ever in some way shape or form and honestly I just don’t understand it. It really doesn’t make sense for manufacturers to hold additional inventory of every head shape, especially when the majority of golfers (not this site) have no idea if they need a sight line or not. Almost everyone who isn’t terribly informed and will listen to marketing and just go buy it. Or they’ll see it perform well in an equipment test and go buy it. After X years of Y different manufacturers making putters, I think if manufacturers consistently saw returns from making no sight line putters, they would. 
 

As a manufacturer, I would think it would make a ton of sense to up charge for custom options like sight lines, because people will absolutely pay. To me it’s more crazy that doesn’t happen vs holding additional inventory at the same price point. 

[SeaIsland]

17 minutes ago, osubuckeyes691 said:

This comment comes up in every putter forum ever in some way shape or form and honestly I just don’t understand it. It really doesn’t make sense for manufacturers to hold additional inventory of every head shape, especially when the majority of golfers (not this site) have no idea if they need a sight line or not. Almost everyone who isn’t terribly informed and will listen to marketing and just go buy it. Or they’ll see it perform well in an equipment test and go buy it. After X years of Y different manufacturers making putters, I think if manufacturers consistently saw returns from making no sight line putters, they would. 
 

As a manufacturer, I would think it would make a ton of sense to up charge for custom options like sight lines, because people will absolutely pay. To me it’s more crazy that doesn’t happen vs holding additional inventory at the same price point. 

Custom should also include allowing for sightline or no sightline preferences. At these price points the idea that they can't hold a little additional component inventory really stinks. I genuinely think that the putting manufacturers are missing out on an active/hardcore segment of their market. The idea that Evnroll's blade-style putters don't provide a naked option and/or sightline options is an unforced error --IMHO. Go on Ebay and look at the price points on naked putters. They all go at a premium. 

[SeaIsland]

Correct me if I've got your point wrong, but I think you're saying that it should be an option and would be welcomed by a hard core audience like this one (and several other golf-dedicated forums). I'm not a statistician, but I'm reasonably well-versed. If you survey the audience that you mentioned (those who will buy anything), the idea of no sight lines doesn't even register as a meaningful option to them (zero context), so my point is, you don't ask them in the first place.  Ask a hard core audience of golfers whether paint-fill options make more sense than providing sightline options and?  You may well be right about the market size being too small, but I have my doubts and regardless, we're not talking about something that isn't already massively profitable to produce. About a third of the putters sold by at least two well known custom putter makers (you know them --at $600+ a piece) are Answer-style with no sightline. They told me this but, would not say how many they sell (their market size). FTR, I would be happy if Evnroll only provided the option for 1-2 classic blade designs (ER1, 2). I replied to your post because I have reached out to Evnroll several times over the last few years and begged them to provide the no-sightline option. They said "stay tuned." Sorry for the rant! 

Edited January 5, 2021 by SeaIsland
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[osubuckeyes691]

2 minutes ago, SeaIsland said:

Correct me if I've got your point wrong, but I think you're saying that it should be an option and would be welcomed by a hard core audience like this one (and several other golf-dedicated forums). I'm not a statistician, but I'm reasonably well-versed. If you survey the audience that you mentioned (those who will buy anything), the idea of no sight lines doesn't even register as a meaningful option to them (zero context), so my point is, you don't ask them in the first place.  Ask a hard core audience of golfers whether paint-fill options make more sense than providing sightline options and?  You may well be right about the market size being too small, but I have my doubts and regardless, we're not talking about something that isn't already massively profitable to produce. About a third of the putters sold by at least two well known custom putter makers (you know them --at $600+ a piece) are Answer-style with no sightline. They told me this but, would not say how many they sell (their market size). FTR, I would be happy if Evnroll only provided the option for 1-2 classic blade designs (ER1, 2). I replied to your post because I have reached out to Evnroll several times over the last few years and begged them to provide the no-sightline option. The said stay tuned. Sorry for the rant! 

I completely understand what you’re saying. The point I was trying to make is that the majority of Evnroll’s sales, or any company, comes from users well outside of golf forums. Yes, almost everyone on this site knows the differences and cares about site lines and aim bias, but I can only imagine we make up an INCREDIBLY small percentage of their overall sales. 
 

Golf companies have to cater to the masses. It’s their best way to make money, and honestly that is their goal. They don’t care to get us products we want. They care about profits. Holding additional inventory = less profits.  That’s just the way I see it, of course. 
 

But again, it’s crazy every company won’t offer the option to customize for $100 (or whatever) extra because I def think there is the audience that will pay 

[Stanks]

Guerin Rife got left behind with the big dogs new products looking infinitely hotter and better. They took forever to get on the black shaft and black finish train. I think they could have captured way more players in their earlier days. 

[Kamen]

Looks cool. The ER11v looks like a reversed PXG One and Done.

[MaineMariner]

The biggest hole in the Evnroll lineup has been the 40+ degree toe hang putter. The only model offered with more than 35 degrees of toe hang was the #9 style mid mallet. So it's nice that you'll be able to put together a putter with more toe hang.

 

The interchangeable hosel thing is interesting. Yes! released a line of adjustable hosel putters late in their life. I wonder if you'll be able to swap out and experiment with neck designs after purchase. I also wonder if it'll change the feel/sound any.

[webber]

Any reason why these putters don’t get any play on your?

[noodle3872]

59 minutes ago, webber said:

Any reason why these putters don’t get any play on your?

I think it’s a feel thing. The Evnroll putters I’ve tried all felt hard and made an odd sound at impact.

[driveandputtmachine]

8 hours ago, webber said:

Any reason why these putters don’t get any play on your?

 Sound and feel are subjective, I have only hit one EVNRL that felt hard, and that after talking with Guerin was the bar of metal and how the grain was aligned when milling that caused that problem and was fixed after the first year of release.  Yes how the grain is aligned when milling a putter can influence sound/feel/vibration.  

 

Guerin doesn't pay players either, which is the biggest downside.  He didn't used to have a PGA Tour presence for the first couple of years either, he may now, I haven't talked to him in at least three years about that.

[TimBuma]

9 hours ago, webber said:

Any reason why these putters don’t get any play on your?

My guess is that they are much more precise then we are on striking putts and they don’t see the help from technology as much as an amateur would.

[Qwiklap]

Any chance they will make Armlock variants of these?  I once had a Tour Issue Armlock ER6 -- and I regret selling it.  I never see these putters in armlock style.

[Golfingfanatic]

3 minutes ago, Qwiklap said:

Any chance they will make Armlock variants of these?  I once had a Tour Issue Armlock ER6 -- and I regret selling it.  I never see these putters in armlock style.

I think they do a midlock which is similar to an armlock. The "other site" has an article on them.

[dejanomics]

Really interested in checking these out....always liked the look of the ER5, but wished it had a slant neck.  Happy that will be an option now!

[mixedguy]

ER11V you can thank me later.  

[osubuckeyes691]

Being an armlock user I don’t know how I’ll be able to keep myself from ordering an 11v Midlock

[stockmd16]

6 hours ago, mixedguy said:

ER11V you can thank me later.  

Do you know how this compares to the ER10? 

[chip75]

On 1/5/2021 at 4:53 AM, webber said:

Any reason why these putters don’t get any play on your?

 

On 1/5/2021 at 1:57 PM, littletimbo182 said:

My guess is that they are much more precise then we are on striking putts and they don’t see the help from technology as much as an amateur would.

 

I think it's down to the putters giving off a different distance than expected from centre strikes, the average tour player has so little down time they've very little time (or willingness) to re-learn distances (as they're so ingrained). It's one of the reasons why shafts in irons remain constant for most players, when technology has improved graphite shafts so much (and they've had relatively little adoption).

 

Yes, better players strike putts more consistently, but putter technology would help in most cases, they just need time to get used to the new output. I can imagine players rolling a few (and they end up short) and leaving them practice-green-side.

[mixedguy]

4 hours ago, stockmd16 said:

Do you know how this compares to the ER10? 

I had the 10 but it felt a tad different to me and I didn’t like the wings.  To me the 11 is by far better and the feel is amazing.  Depending on the hosel you get it can have toe hang or face balanced.  Can’t go wrong with an 11

[AdamStoutjesdyk]

Guerin had a really good interview with the boys on The Full equipped podcast on how putter making is taking designs from companies that work and making your own change to them to make them that much better. It’s not about being a copycat but helping forward putting in its self. That being said that ER11 is a wonderful upgrade of the Ping Ketsch 

[karstens_ghost]

Imagine the engineers at Ping right now, looking at that 11v. I hope their lawyers are getting warmed up.

[Scotty1140]

15 minutes ago, karstens_ghost said:

Imagine the engineers at Ping right now, looking at that 11v. I hope their lawyers are getting warmed up.

Na. 
 

Everyone borrows everyone’s designs. It’s not like Ping didn’t rip off Machine’s VMG grooves a few years back. The Tyne certainly is their version of Odyssey’s #7. Etc. etc. 

[Green Valley]

On 1/9/2021 at 8:39 AM, mixedguy said:

ER11V you can thank me later.  

Have you rolled it? How long is the M idlock putter?

[JungleJimbo]

1 hour ago, Green Valley said:

Have you rolled it? How long is the M idlock putter?

https://Not allowed because of spam.com/video-evnroll-vseries-midlock/
@Green Valley: Video in the above Link = gives more details on the Evnroll 11v/ MidLock putter.
(Note: You will need to edit the Link, to replace the "Not allowed because of spam" prefix ... with "M.G...S.." )

Edited January 13, 2021 by JungleJimbo

[larciel]

Different hosels.. worth a try 

[driveandputtmachine]

On 1/11/2021 at 9:30 PM, Scotty1140 said:

Na. 
 

Everyone borrows everyone’s designs. It’s not like Ping didn’t rip off Machine’s VMG grooves a few years back. The Tyne certainly is their version of Odyssey’s #7. Etc. etc. 

I am not sure but I believe the infringement for Ping's TR grooves was against EVNROLL and they settled.  I am not sure where I read this, or heard it.  It may have been in an in person conversation with Guerin or via email with him awhile back, or I may have heard it from someone on here.  I remember this either way though. 

[cmy]

I wish they would come out with a flow neck/short slant neck version of their 1 Blade (already have long slant neck with huge offset and a plumbers neck).