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29 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I played the red for a full year.  Up until recently.  It’s an animal to itself.  I tried to like the blue.  But don’t.  It has too soft of a handle and yet no kick into the ball. The red is the best shaft of the 3 in my opinion . Definitely a sleeper. Don’t let JT turn you off.  If I hadn’t happened across better face angle and launch numbers from a different combo , I’d still be playing it.  I could have easily moved the Red over to the callaway head end been good.  But when you find that blessed deal , you don’t go messing with it.  So I got rid of the temptation to keep testing.  

Well again, JT using it actually makes me think it would be good for me, as he has been a “blue” profile player for the most part if im not mistaken. Its pretty hard for me to be able to hit one without a 100+ dillar fitting, and i generally pick my shafts off weight, profile and have pretty good success. Im just trying to decipher the different information ive seen. Ive always thought, that “white” or “whiteboard” profiles are pretty butt soft. To hear this is like a white has got me scratchin my head because the butt on this is supposed ro be pretty stiff... as stiff as the ventus black. The blue on the other hand is supposed to be butt soft, which doesnt fit the typical “blue” profile...

 

help lol i need clarification for my ocd mind 😂

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12 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

Well again, JT using it actually makes me think it would be good for me, as he has been a “blue” profile player for the most part if im not mistaken. Its pretty hard for me to be able to hit one without a 100+ dillar fitting, and i generally pick my shafts off weight, profile and have pretty good success. Im just trying to decipher the different information ive seen. Ive always thought, that “white” or “whiteboard” profiles are pretty butt soft. To hear this is like a white has got me scratchin my head because the butt on this is supposed ro be pretty stiff... as stiff as the ventus black. The blue on the other hand is supposed to be butt soft, which doesnt fit the typical “blue” profile...

 

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I don’t know.  I’ve played the white profiles off and on since the OG flower band 73x I had in a 910 titleist driver and 3 wood. To me. They never felt like they had a soft handle. Just a stiffer tip.  This might make some feel like it’s soft in the handle I guess.  But to me it’s just stable all over with extra in the tip.  Red ventus feels the same.  You can go at it hard and it’s not going to feel like it leaves the face open or Deflects at all. But somehow it launches higher than the blue.  That’s not a myth.  I had them both side by side for a week. Was noticeable to the naked eye.  Not just on a monitor.  and they spun the same.  
 

to me the blue felt softer but also somehow dead.  But I’ve never been a blue board or blue profile lover.  Not in driver.  
 

I don’t know.  I don’t exactly believe that profiles are enough to pick.  I’ve loved  some shafts that I wasn’t supposed to.  And hated some that I was supposed to love.  
 

example.  I loved the tensei orange v2 , but.  It was in a g410 LST that weighed 206g.   So a counterbalanced shaft , which I normally hate.  But a heavy head.( which ping is known for )  So it balanced out. Swing weight was. D4.  fast forward to now. I was handed this mavrik combo with the kbs TD cat 5 shaft.  It’s tip weighted. Heavily.  The mavrik head I have weighs 199g.  But it swing weights again at d4.  And feels ( feels ) head heavy. I hate a driver where I can’t feel the head easily.  
Callaway fitter built this for another player and he hit it too high.  Handed it to me snd it put me into a perfect window.  
 

now - I tried this shaft on a sub zero head.  It weighed 204g.  I loathed it.  It felt like a sledge hammer on a rope.  I was testing at home , So I check swing weight.  E0.  Same loft. Same shaft , in a similar head , which just had an extra weight.  And the combo totally changed.  
 

so to me. It matters way more about the combo than the profile on paper.  Hope that makes sense.  
 


 

 

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Just heard on the broadcast that JT has only driven the ball better than 2 people in the entire field this week.

 

Dont know if its just me but I dont think I could game this shaft on looks alone even though it's likely the best profile for me. I've never cared what my driver shaft looks like but all red is too much for me. Id be nice to see a special edition of this with an alternate graphic. 

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Forsure looks like 1” tipping and Adam Scott looks like it’s straight in but his is  46”. 
 

 

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3 hours ago, bladehunter said:

I don’t know.  I’ve played the white profiles off and on since the OG flower band 73x I had in a 910 titleist driver and 3 wood. To me. They never felt like they had a soft handle. Just a stiffer tip.  This might make some feel like it’s soft in the handle I guess.  But to me it’s just stable all over with extra in the tip.  Red ventus feels the same.  You can go at it hard and it’s not going to feel like it leaves the face open or Deflects at all. But somehow it launches higher than the blue.  That’s not a myth.  I had them both side by side for a week. Was noticeable to the naked eye.  Not just on a monitor.  and they spun the same.  
 

to me the blue felt softer but also somehow dead.  But I’ve never been a blue board or blue profile lover.  Not in driver.  
 

I don’t know.  I don’t exactly believe that profiles are enough to pick.  I’ve loved  some shafts that I wasn’t supposed to.  And hated some that I was supposed to love.  
 

example.  I loved the tensei orange v2 , but.  It was in a g410 LST that weighed 206g.   So a counterbalanced shaft , which I normally hate.  But a heavy head.( which ping is known for )  So it balanced out. Swing weight was. D4.  fast forward to now. I was handed this mavrik combo with the kbs TD cat 5 shaft.  It’s tip weighted. Heavily.  The mavrik head I have weighs 199g.  But it swing weights again at d4.  And feels ( feels ) head heavy. I hate a driver where I can’t feel the head easily.  
Callaway fitter built this for another player and he hit it too high.  Handed it to me snd it put me into a perfect window.  
 

now - I tried this shaft on a sub zero head.  It weighed 204g.  I loathed it.  It felt like a sledge hammer on a rope.  I was testing at home , So I check swing weight.  E0.  Same loft. Same shaft , in a similar head , which just had an extra weight.  And the combo totally changed.  
 

so to me. It matters way more about the combo than the profile on paper.  Hope that makes sense.  
 


 

 

 

 

I have tried a number of shafts over the years but it all started with the OG blueboard 83x. I searched for a bit to find a more recent replacement... i tried an ahina, a tour ad tp 7x and a few others. The ahina was definitely butt soft for my taste. I finally  Settled into the motore speeder vc tour spec 7.3. Been in ever since. To me its the closest ive had to the OG blueboard. Stiff in the hands, a little kick in the mid/low, but not so much it gets away from you. From fujis website:

 

motore vc 7.3 :

weight: 77g

tip: 93

butt: 69

torque: 3.0

 

 

ventus blue 7x:

weight: 77.5g

tip: 87

butt: 75

torque: 2.9

 

ventus red 7x:

weight: 72g

tip: 93

butt: 70

torque: 3.1

 

ventus black 7x:

weight: 78g

tip:  86

butt: 70

torque: 2.8

 

According this, the red specs out very very close to the motore vc 7.3 ts, a little lighter, which is why it had me intrigued.

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I totally understand the confusion since it is a combination of what you said about JT's typical preferences, how Fuji is actually taking a page out of the Graphite Design playbook with their Butt/Mid/Tip marketing adjectives, and the fact that someone on here ages said the "new" Ventus, when it was just the Blue at the time, was going to be a Whiteboard low/low type shaft. 

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Here are all three Ventus' (Venti? 😆)

Starting with the Black, we're basically seeing a version of the HZRDUS T1100 that feels better due to fancypants materials:

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Stiff everywhere basically with a small dip in the lower mid section to give some sense of loading I imagine. 

Then with the Blue, we see a classic Blue profile with a little extra in the tip. Ventus Blue vs Diamana BF:

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Fuji's marketing on this is goofy because it reads like its a Whiteboard profile with their "Firm/Stiff/Ultra Stiff" description when in fact its a classic Blue profile with some extra tip stiffness. Spieth has been playing it and he has always been a Blueboard buy; Diamana Blue -> Rogue Black -> Aldila 2KXV Blue -> AD-IZ ->Ventus Blue with AD-DI's in his fairway, hybrid, and DI since forever. 

Now to the Ventus Red, we just see a *slightly* softer version of Diamana's White profile. Ventus Red vs. Kuro Kage XT:

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A little stiffer in the handle, a little softer in the mid. This also fits why Adam Scott, a longtime Kuro Kage XT/XTS user, would fit into this shaft. It also fits with the trend away from the "old" Red profile that we are starting to see since those shafts have been falling out of favor more and more. The Diamana RF was actually more of a Blue profile, the Atmos Red was actually really similar to the very stout Motore x.2 profile, and now the Ventus Red is basically a tweaked Whiteboard. Fuji made a really big shift with the Ventus line, both away from the successful Motore/Atmos designs and with the fact that neither the Black nor the Red really have many similarities with past models, which I believe is why they came out later since the Blue is basically just a beefed up Speeder 757 which would have been in their wheelhouse. 

As to why JT is trying the Red? Bear in mind that he also demoed the HZRDUS Hulk for a minute too, so I wouldn't say he is a diehard Blueboard guy, just that has been more typical for him. He has also had the Motore 9.2 in his 5-wood for ages and that is a stouter profile as well. 

Lol.  I suppose venti would be correct for these 3 “winds “.    

 

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3 minutes ago, Valtiel said:

 

 


I totally understand the confusion since it is a combination of what you said about JT's typical preferences, how Fuji is actually taking a page out of the Graphite Design playbook with their Butt/Mid/Tip marketing adjectives, and the fact that someone on here ages said the "new" Ventus, when it was just the Blue at the time, was going to be a Whiteboard low/low type shaft. 

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Here are all three Ventus' (Venti? 😆)

Starting with the Black, we're basically seeing a version of the HZRDUS T1100 that feels better due to fancypants materials:

1644534202_ScreenShot2021-01-10at7_39_20PM.png.5581b0ab8075b426df647ca21cb673b9.png

Stiff everywhere basically with a small dip in the lower mid section to give some sense of loading I imagine. 

Then with the Blue, we see a classic Blue profile with a little extra in the tip. Ventus Blue vs Diamana BF:

1866024207_ScreenShot2021-01-10at7_37_46PM.png.7927438329c01a38820fd83055347066.png

Fuji's marketing on this is goofy because it reads like its a Whiteboard profile with their "Firm/Stiff/Ultra Stiff" description when in fact its a classic Blue profile with some extra tip stiffness. Spieth has been playing it and he has always been a Blueboard buy; Diamana Blue -> Rogue Black -> Aldila 2KXV Blue -> AD-IZ ->Ventus Blue with AD-DI's in his fairway, hybrid, and DI since forever. 

Now to the Ventus Red, we just see a *slightly* softer version of Diamana's White profile. Ventus Red vs. Kuro Kage XT:

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A little stiffer in the handle, a little softer in the mid. This also fits why Adam Scott, a longtime Kuro Kage XT/XTS user, would fit into this shaft. It also fits with the trend away from the "old" Red profile that we are starting to see since those shafts have been falling out of favor more and more. The Diamana RF was actually more of a Blue profile, the Atmos Red was actually really similar to the very stout Motore x.2 profile, and now the Ventus Red is basically a tweaked Whiteboard. Fuji made a really big shift with the Ventus line, both away from the successful Motore/Atmos designs and with the fact that neither the Black nor the Red really have many similarities with past models, which I believe is why they came out later since the Blue is basically just a beefed up Speeder 757 which would have been in their wheelhouse. 

As to why JT is trying the Red? Bear in mind that he also demoed the HZRDUS Hulk for a minute too, so I wouldn't say he is a diehard Blueboard guy, just that has been more typical for him. He has also had the Motore 9.2 in his 5-wood for ages and that is a stouter profile as well. 

One other thing to note, when i tried the ventus blue, it was the 6x, and i typically play shafts in the 75 gram range. Not sure but that thing felt pretty loose in my hands that day.

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One other thing to note, when i tried the ventus blue, it was the 6x, and i typically play shafts in the 75 gram range. Not sure but that thing felt pretty loose in my hands that day.


A couple interesting bits to note there is that there seems to be some volatility/inconsistency between both weight ranges and flexes with the Ventus, more so than more modern shafts. Across the board, the stiffer flexes actually seem to consistently get lighter, and the Blue is already on the lighter side for 60g weight class. It seems to be around 62/63g uncut which would make a sub 60g shaft when actually trimmed, whereas many shafts these days come much higher within the same weight class. The Ventus Red 5R/5S as well is actually 59/60g, so it is almost a full weight class heavier, and the balance point of the Black is all over the map depending on weight and flex. The radial consistency is also a bit on the low side for a modern shaft, with most "premium" shafts coming above 99% consistency with a deviation of <0.5%, whereas the Ventus is lower/worse in both (98.6% and 0.7%). By this measured standard, Fuji has been a bit spotty across their lines, with some being near perfect and others being on the edges of what Russ Ryden/Fit2Score considers "generally acceptable" given current technologies. 

I bring all that up because it could all contribute to having a weird experience. The Ventus Blue is lighter than most, likely closer to 15g lighter than the 10 you might have expected, and it is possible it was at the edge of manufacturing tolerances, potentially making it lighter and/or softer. A lot of this is speculation on my part and i'm not saying that the Ventus is poorly made or anything, but there are more than a few oddities in the line. 

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11 minutes ago, Valtiel said:


A couple interesting bits to note there is that there seems to be some volatility/inconsistency between both weight ranges and flexes with the Ventus, more so than more modern shafts. Across the board, the stiffer flexes actually seem to consistently get lighter, and the Blue is already on the lighter side for 60g weight class. It seems to be around 62/63g uncut which would make a sub 60g shaft when actually trimmed, whereas many shafts these days come much higher within the same weight class. The Ventus Red 5R/5S as well is actually 59/60g, so it is almost a full weight class heavier, and the balance point of the Black is all over the map depending on weight and flex. The radial consistency is also a bit on the low side for a modern shaft, with most "premium" shafts coming above 99% consistency with a deviation of <0.5%, whereas the Ventus is lower/worse in both (98.6% and 0.7%). By this measured standard, Fuji has been a bit spotty across their lines, with some being near perfect and others being on the edges of what Russ Ryden/Fit2Score considers "generally acceptable" given current technologies. 

I bring all that up because it could all contribute to having a weird experience. The Ventus Blue is lighter than most, likely closer to 15g lighter than the 10 you might have expected, and it is possible it was at the edge of manufacturing tolerances, potentially making it lighter and/or softer. A lot of this is speculation on my part and i'm not saying that the Ventus is poorly made or anything, but there are more than a few oddities in the line. 

You clearly know alot more about this subject than me. How does fuji get their butt and tip measurements i posted above? Red has same butt stiffness as black, both more than blue,  but the ei chart you provided says otherwise..? Also, referring to the ei charts, is it the loss of stiffness im feeling? (the ventus blue starts stiffer but has a bigger loss of stiffness vs red on your chart)

 

Is fujis butt measurement further down the ei curve maybe?

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8 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

You clearly know alot more about this subject than me. How does fuji get their butt and tip measurements i posted above? Red has same butt stiffness as black, both more than blue,  but the ei chart you provided says otherwise..? Also, referring to the ei charts, is it the loss of stiffness im feeling? (the ventus blue starts stiffer but has a bigger loss of stiffness vs red on your chart)

 

Is fujis butt measurement further down the ei curve maybe?


I think that may be the case, both in terms of your comment on the loss of stiffness being the thing that you felt and in how Fuji may be defining different stiffnesses. If you define butt stiffness by raw CPM (not terribly useful) then the Blue would be the stiffest, but if you define it by how much stiffness is lost under the length of the grip (the first 10") then you could make the argument that the Blue is the softest given its more rapid stiffness loss versus the more linear Red and Black. The problem is that this is generally not how the general definition has been applied, and shafts like the Ventus Blue and basically all other "Blue" profiles have been described as soft mid, stiff butt and tip. It also isn't even consistent within Fuji's own descriptions for things:

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The EI profiles are inconsistent with their descriptions. You could call the TR "Ultra-Stiff" in the mid section given what is going on in the 10"-20" range by comparison here, but to call it "Firm" in the handle vs. "Ultra-Stiff" in the Ventus Red is just weird to the point that I think the Ventus descriptions may actually by a typo/error on their website. Same thing with the handles of the Ventus Blue vs. the Speeder Evo V. Its just all over the place and further muddies the waters in an area where there already are virtually no accepted standards, all the more reason to ignore any of this simplified charts. 

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I think that may be the case, both in terms of your comment on the loss of stiffness being the thing that you felt and in how Fuji may be defining different stiffnesses. If you define butt stiffness by raw CPM (not terribly useful) then the Blue would be the stiffest, but if you define it by how much stiffness is lost under the length of the grip (the first 10") then you could make the argument that the Blue is the softest given its more rapid stiffness loss versus the more linear Red and Black. The problem is that this is generally not how the general definition has been applied, and shafts like the Ventus Blue and basically all other "Blue" profiles have been described as soft mid, stiff butt and tip. It also isn't even consistent within Fuji's own descriptions for things:

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The EI profiles are inconsistent with their descriptions. You could call the TR "Ultra-Stiff" in the mid section given what is going on in the 10"-20" range by comparison here, but to call it "Firm" in the handle vs. "Ultra-Stiff" in the Ventus Red is just weird to the point that I think the Ventus descriptions may actually by a typo/error on their website. Same thing with the handles of the Ventus Blue vs. the Speeder Evo V. Its just all over the place and further muddies the waters in an area where there already are virtually no accepted standards, all the more reason to ignore any of this simplified charts. 

Im assuming those color coded stiffness sections are to compare shafts in the same line, ventus to other ventus for example, and not to other lines or brands. Who knows for sure lol. The water is muddy enough that Ill have to bite the bullet and go get fitted if I want to try the ventus. Thanks for your help.

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We are always trying to quantify vs qualify 

 

numbers seem short but I think there was high wind last year but could try to compare (viable is atmospheric and agronomy conditions) and pga data available unsure of the validity 

 

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I've read this entire thread and still come away confused. The Fuji site says the red is mid spin and mid-high launch. Now some people seem to be saying it's more like the tensei pro white, which is low low? Even without tipping, or does that require tipping? If it acts like a slightly softer pro white, that's great. I thought the Ventus black acted like a slightly softer (or just smoother feeling) pro white. 

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15 minutes ago, hwturner17 said:

I've read this entire thread and still come away confused. The Fuji site says the red is mid spin and mid-high launch. Now some people seem to be saying it's more like the tensei pro white, which is low low? Even without tipping, or does that require tipping? If it acts like a slightly softer pro white, that's great. I thought the Ventus black acted like a slightly softer (or just smoother feeling) pro white. 

 

You cannot compare manufacturers to each other using their own marketing terms or even their tip/butt numbers and descriptors. So disregard all of them.

 

The best way to compare is by the profile tests that one party does with one methodology on all different brands - such as golfshaftreviews.

 

Those charts were posted earlier in the thread and that is the best way to compare OEM to OEM.

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3 hours ago, hwturner17 said:

I've read this entire thread and still come away confused. The Fuji site says the red is mid spin and mid-high launch. Now some people seem to be saying it's more like the tensei pro white, which is low low? Even without tipping, or does that require tipping? If it acts like a slightly softer pro white, that's great. I thought the Ventus black acted like a slightly softer (or just smoother feeling) pro white. 


Like @third-times-a-charm said, often times you can not compare these sorts of descriptions, especially within individual companies as they will often make claims and use adjectives that only relate to their own products and not the market at large, which is what I believe Fuji is doing within the Ventus line here. It is also a case of simply needing to differentiate a third shaft in a lineup, and as I said earlier we are seeing a shift in what a "Red" profile looks like from years past. 

Tour useage is another good indicator, especially among faster players. You virtually never see the traditionally "high launch/spin" spin in play on tour, and if you do it is not in a driver. So when the Diamana RF sneaks into Tony Finau's bag and the Ventus Red starts popping up in 120mph+ player's drivers, that is a decent indication that the design of these shafts has changed and may not line up with the marketing as much. 

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Like Adam, JT has been testing and playing the Ventus Red shaft for a while now, and had it in his driver at Kapalua.   Whether he stays with it or not is yet to be seen.  Many tour guys are fickle about driver shafts, kinda like Golfwrx people. 

 

I love my Ventus Velocore Red "S" ... it's stiff tip and ultra-stiff butt keeps me in the game.  It's not like other OEM Red shafts known for active tip sections.  It has a high bend and stiff tip, but its mid-section makes it different.

 

I hit Red low, mid or high - depends on what I need.  Though Black is nice, tip is too stiff and Blue's butt is too soft. 

 

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Sweet! Just ordered a Ventus Red for my 3 wood to try, not knowing the profile comparisons. Played Tensei Pro White 70TX in 3 wood for the past two years. This year I switched down to a 13.5 head and I like it but after no gym time for a year, the White in TX is a little hefty. I was thinking, hey, I'll give the Red a shot and maybe I'll get a bit more launch and spin. I like to buy and try and resell rather than getting fit sometimes. I got the 7S. Now, a totally out of left field impulse buy/project is looking like it may be a pretty good fit since I really enjoy the Whiteboard profile. The Black in 6S is really working great in my driver. Maybe I'll have to get a new hybrid with the Blue and then I'll have the full rainbow of Ventus. 

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5 hours ago, Valtiel said:


Like @third-times-a-charm said, often times you can not compare these sorts of descriptions, especially within individual companies as they will often make claims and use adjectives that only relate to their own products and not the market at large, which is what I believe Fuji is doing within the Ventus line here. It is also a case of simply needing to differentiate a third shaft in a lineup, and as I said earlier we are seeing a shift in what a "Red" profile looks like from years past. 

Tour useage is another good indicator, especially among faster players. You virtually never see the traditionally "high launch/spin" spin in play on tour, and if you do it is not in a driver. So when the Diamana RF sneaks into Tony Finau's bag and the Ventus Red starts popping up in 120mph+ player's drivers, that is a decent indication that the design of these shafts has changed and may not line up with the marketing as much. 

Tyrell Hatton plays the Diamana RF in driver.  He must be the outlier. 

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40 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

Tyrell Hatton plays the Diamana RF in driver.  He must be the outlier. 


No that was exactly my point, the RF is not a traditional high launch/spin shaft, it is much closer to a Blue profile. Tony Finau also had it in the driver. 

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I’ve hit the PO since it came out. Currently have it in a TSI3. Ventus red will be here this week courtesy of Will Peoples. I’ll post my thoughts after a few outings. 

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A couple months ago, I had a proper driver fitting as I wanted a shaft upgrade for my Ping G410 LST with a Tour AD GP I was playing at the time. After 2 hours, my fitter and I narrowed our shaft options down to 2 clear winners that were giving me my optimal numbers. In fact, they were pretty much identical. The 2 shafts were the Tour AD XC 7x and Ventus Red 7x. 

 

I also was under the impression that the Ventus Red was a high launch/mid-spin shaft and was skeptical when my fitter had me try it. Quickly I realized my assumptions were totally wrong. I ended up going with the AD XC because it was noticeably lower in price than the Ventus while giving me the same numbers. All this just goes to show that no matter how a shaft is marketed or whatever your assumptions are, you won't really know for sure how a shaft performs with your swing and/or a certain driver head until you actually go get fitted and see for yourself. 

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The "Red" profile shafts used to be High Launch, but if you look at the profile it's really just a "White" profile with a higher tip-to-butt ratio. Meaning just slightly higher launch and spin than the white profile with a similar feel. I think it's a great idea, seems to be a minor tweak that's really popular with some players. 

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9 minutes ago, Slyter00 said:

I can’t get into the red shaft, even with that gorgeous TSi3. It does hit it low, red profile might be the ticket, would love it in black w red bands. 

Yeah that’s a good idea, style it after Tensei Pro Red.  

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I really like the Ventus red and it works super well for me. It does launch a little higher but not that much higher than my Ventus blue. Probably not even noticeable just to the eye. I think the important thing is my spin stays down which is what I did not expect when moving into the Ventus red.

 

In my opinion I don’t feel JT”s game was close to 100% this past week so I think he keeps this combo in the bag. But who knows could see him back in the ZF TS3 next tourney.

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12 hours ago, slookx24 said:

A couple months ago, I had a proper driver fitting as I wanted a shaft upgrade for my Ping G410 LST with a Tour AD GP I was playing at the time. After 2 hours, my fitter and I narrowed our shaft options down to 2 clear winners that were giving me my optimal numbers. In fact, they were pretty much identical. The 2 shafts were the Tour AD XC 7x and Ventus Red 7x. 

 

I also was under the impression that the Ventus Red was a high launch/mid-spin shaft and was skeptical when my fitter had me try it. Quickly I realized my assumptions were totally wrong. I ended up going with the AD XC because it was noticeably lower in price than the Ventus while giving me the same numbers. All this just goes to show that no matter how a shaft is marketed or whatever your assumptions are, you won't really know for sure how a shaft performs with your swing and/or a certain driver head until you actually go get fitted and see for yourself. 

Did you think the XC and Ventus Red felt similar?  Good to know they were producing similar numbers. I’m interested in the red, but I’m pounding my XC right now. It’s a great shaft- underrated, IMO.

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I thought I would share this as I was in the same place as a few others on this thread.  I wanted to try a Ventus in my Titleist TS3.  I was coming from a Kuro Kage DC 70TX.  So I originally bought the Ventus Black 6X, but then bought the Ventus Red 6X as curiosity got the best of me.  The photos below are a recent simulator session here in Ohio as it is way too cold to be outside.  Granted I only have two photos, but can say they are a good representation of the numbers I was getting throughout.

 

Ventus Red

 

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Ventus Black

 

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1 hour ago, Cosmo Kramer said:

I thought I would share this as I was in the same place as a few others on this thread.  I wanted to try a Ventus in my Titleist TS3.  I was coming from a Kuro Kage DC 70TX.  So I originally bought the Ventus Black 6X, but then bought the Ventus Red 6X as curiosity got the best of me.  The photos below are a recent simulator session here in Ohio as it is way too cold to be outside.  Granted I only have two photos, but can say they are a good representation of the numbers I was getting throughout.

 

Ventus Red

 

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Ventus Black

 

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That gets my attention as I game a kk dc 70tx and the red peaked my interests. I have 2 Aldila rogue white 60&70tx to test but seeing your numbers coming from the kk profile is something to take notice in. Ventus red staying in the bag now?

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