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Ray Cook Titanic irons were pretty significant flop as well.  

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Modern era all of the "first" adjustable ones.    The Taylormade R7 was probably in like 60-70% of golf bags at one point around here. It was a monster. That was the first move-able weight d

I would say the Ping Eye 2 irons...I think they changed the iron market more than any other club.

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3 hours ago, aenemated said:

My answer to questions like this is always the same - the original Big Bertha. 

 

I played in junior tournaments and all 4 years of high school as well as untold rounds with my dad and his buddies back in them days ... and EVERYONE had a Bertha back then. 


If you didn’t have a Big Bertha in the 90s did you even play golf?

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Drivers - good: TM R7, callaway Great Big Bertha, Cleveland Launcher with NV shaft, Titleist 983 drivers, Taylormade 300/320/360. 

 

Drivers - bad: callaway C4, anything square, titleist 907 (the triangular one)


Irons - good: Ping Eye 2 (kind of led to big Bertha line as well), titleist AP 2 line (forged players irons that started using some extra tech ideas)

 

Irons - bad: VAS, Wilson fat shafts, Ping Zing, some of the really big Big Bertha irons

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I’d say the first stand bag and dual shoulder straps were pretty big...not sure who was first. 

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No one seems to have mentioned any fairway woods so far but, the Adams Tight Lies back in the late 90’s seemed to start a trend for shallow faced fairway woods at the time. Then like it or not, the Taylor Made RBZ whilst perhaps not the first fast faced fairway wood, did seem to start a trend of manufacturers looking to come out with 3 woods which were faster and faster off the face.

 

When it comes to duds, the C4 has been mentioned already. The PING Doc 17 was a monstrosity and then any Nike putter. How quickly they seemed to disappear from the bag of every Nike player told you everything you needed to know., 

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Already answered about trendsetters, substantial flops would be Tommy Armour t100 irons and Nike unitized putter.

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4 minutes ago, MattyO1984 said:

No one seems to have mentioned any fairway woods so far but, the Adams Tight Lies back in the late 90’s seemed to start a trend for shallow faced fairway woods at the time. Then like it or not, the Taylor Made RBZ whilst perhaps not the first fast faced fairway wood, did seem to start a trend of manufacturers looking to come out with 3 woods which were faster and faster off the face.

 

When it comes to duds, the C4 has been mentioned already. The PING Doc 17 was a monstrosity and then any Nike putter. How quickly they seemed to disappear from the bag of every Nike player told you everything you needed to know., 

Agree the Tight Lies were revolutionary.  Probably with including RBZ as well as it as the first time people saw woods really designed for distance.

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4 hours ago, sonnygolf said:

Who released the first titanium driver? 

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1 hour ago, NorthStar7 said:

I’d say the first stand bag and dual shoulder straps were pretty big...not sure who was first. 

Izzo golf made a strap that could be used on all bags..then everyone else followed. 

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1 hour ago, Mitchell said:

Already answered about trendsetters, substantial flops would be Tommy Armour t100 irons and Nike unitized putter.

Tommy Armour EQL was a flop.  Never saw anyone bag those irons. Everything besides the 845s was a flop.

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4 hours ago, Abh159 said:


If you didn’t have a Big Bertha in the 90s did you even play golf?

 

Even my dad gave up his favorite Yonex for one! 

 

Loved it so much he got himself a set of those godawful S2H2 Bertha irons. Man, those things were terrible.

 

On a different note, played with a fella at Spyglass a couple years back that was still gaming his old Warbird 2W. And he was smokin' that thing. 

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J's Professional Weapon Driver.  Before it, metal drivers concentrated weight low in the clubhead.  To counteract that, they were making lofts lower and lower.   Bridgestone went high with the COG in the J's driver and consequently created the first low spin metal wood driver head.  High swing speed players  showed they could hit absolute BOMBS with that setup and well... the rest is history.  Actually it was a trendsetter and a fail.  It was the hot club to have for awhile (everyone wanted one), but it ultimately was a bust because average players couldn't get the thing off the ground.

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12 hours ago, zeke013 said:

PXG stuffing polymer into 0311 iron heads seems to have  touched off a significant trend.  

 

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"Hollow irons have existed in golf for decades. That includes an elastomer filled iron, the ARC Blade, from Nickent in 2008, and the ICW 11, a foam-filled iron introduced by TaylorMade in 1991."

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2 hours ago, tannyhoban said:

Yonex had those carbon face irons in the early mid 90's that were a flop.

As well as the Mizuno White Fang and Daiwa had one, but can't recall the name right now.

 

1 hour ago, Bigarch said:

J's Professional Weapon Driver.  Before it, metal drivers concentrated weight low in the clubhead.  To counteract that, they were making lofts lower and lower.   Bridgestone went high with the COG in the J's driver and consequently created the first low spin metal wood driver head.  High swing speed players  showed they could hit absolute BOMBS with that setup and well... the rest is history.  Actually it was a trendsetter and a fail.  It was the hot club to have for awhile (everyone wanted one), but it ultimately was a bust because average players couldn't get the thing off the ground.

 

I played a J's from '90-'96. I remember watching Kevin Whitworth hitting one and was mesmerized. There was another guy there who'd bought three to see which one would work for him. He ended up selling the other two and I bought an 11* on the spot. Totally changed my game. The 300 club was rare air in those days.

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I wanna say the Pittsburg Persimmon paved the way for the mainline metal woods. And definitely the shizzle back in '82.

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I've only been around for about 10 or so years so of you have a ton more options to choose from regrading this topic. One that sticks out for me in that time period is the taylormade SLDR. Changed the game from what I understood and remember with the the low spin/high launch combo to hit bombs. Pretty much every manufacturer had to play catch up at that point with the drivers. If your driver was spinning over 2000 rpms at that time then you had a spin monster.

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2 hours ago, searanchgolfer said:

Nike Square Drivers and Woods...flop.  Think Callaway did the square thing also.  

Orlimar Trimetal....flop?  

 

Titleist 975D was in a lot of golf bags for many years.   

I don't know that I would agree with the Orlimar Trimetal.  I was working at a Nevada Bob's golf shop in Portland, OR, when those came out and we couldn't keep them in stock.  If I recall correctly, they were the most expensive fairway woods at the time ($229 each?), and customers would come in and pick one up like they couldn't really believe it was worth it.  They'd buy one and walk out.  Then they would come back the next Saturday and buy 2 more.

 

I never owned one, and I don't know if they were really all that good, but we sure sold a lot of them!

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17 hours ago, MtlJeff said:

The Callaway Imix probably doesn't get enough credit.

Was the I-Mix released before the r7 CGB MAX? Same concept.

 

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