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Modern era all of the "first" adjustable ones.    The Taylormade R7 was probably in like 60-70% of golf bags at one point around here. It was a monster. That was the first move-able weight d

My answer to questions like this is always the same - the original Big Bertha.    I played in junior tournaments and all 4 years of high school as well as untold rounds with my dad and his b

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Driver -- R7 SuperQuad for moveable weights, SLDR for bonkers low spin and the subsequent craze it caused. 

Woods in general -- Adams with the "speed slot", particularly the use of it in the original RBZ. Played a round with a friend who had gotten it right after it had come out and remember thinking "wow, he almost doesn't need a driver anymore". Seemed like this design or something comprable to it was common across multiple OEMs.

Wedges -- Vokey offering multiple grinds/bounce options off the rack, now everyone seems to do it.

Putter -- Anser no doubt as every putter maker has this style head and is immortalized next to the 8802 style head. You could also make an argument for the original TM Spider (Circa like 2005, the one Paul Gyodos used at the Players [2008 I think?] when he lost to Sergio) as it was an innovative high MOI mallet shape. 

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3-Wood: Taylormade V-Steel T/S (13) Graphite Design YS-6S

5-Wood: Taylormade V-Steel 5 (18) MAS 2 S

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The Callaway C4 (2002) driver is notable for being an incredible flop while at the same time setting a trend. It was an awful execution of the concept of using carbon composite material in drivers, but introduced a technology still being used by many OEMs to this day.

The ProV1 gets all the credit for taking solid core multi-layer balls with a urethane cover into the mainstream, but before it came the Strata Tour Professional. That was followed closely by the Nike Tour Accuracy, while the ProV1 arrived a bit later to drive the wound liquid core ball into extinction.

The TM R1 (with its ill conceived marketing campaign with face paint and goofy Gilligan hats etc.) performed OK but was such a failure in the market place that the company rushed a limited release black version to market followed quickly by the rushed release of the SLDR family. R1 really signified the tipping point in TM's fall while under the ownership of Adidas.

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10 minutes ago, bcflyguy1 said:

The Callaway C4 (2002) driver is notable for being an incredible flop while at the same time setting a trend. It was an awful execution of the concept of using carbon composite material in drivers, but introduced a technology still being used by many OEMs to this day.

Yonex had composite drivers in the mid 1990's

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On 1/9/2021 at 9:17 AM, jjgott said:

Taylormade gave up on the JetSpeed line about 30 minutes after the release.  Whatever happened to the Speed Police lol?

 

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This was right on the heels of the R1 face paint debacle and the ridiculous, bright yellow bucket hats to go with RBZ Stage 2 (RocketBallzier) woods. That period in TaylorMade's history has its own wing at the Golf Marketing Hall of Shame.

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I'd say the TaylorMade GAPR was a fail, the idea was good with the 3 different options but as soon as they were released in store they went on clearance it seems. Seems like they learned from that and the SIM UDI is apparently much better. 

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On 1/9/2021 at 8:43 PM, searanchgolfer said:

Nike Square Drivers and Woods...flop.  Think Callaway did the square thing also.  

Orlimar Trimetal....flop?  

 

Titleist 975D was in a lot of golf bags for many years.   

I don't think the original Tri Metal fairway wood was a flop. They sold a lot of them but then Orlimar tried the Tri Metal driver and that thing was definitely a flop. 

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20 minutes ago, PJE said:

I don't think the original Tri Metal fairway wood was a flop. They sold a lot of them but then Orlimar tried the Tri Metal driver and that thing was definitely a flop. 

Orlimar Tri-metal fairway woods were popular for a while.  Payne Stewart had one in the 99 US Open.  Furyk played one also.  Good seller right before Sonartec came on the scene.

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Irons:  Titleist 716 AP2 4- W  DG AMT S300

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Note: I used the criteria of "widely used" for this list in determining "first". 

Trendsetters:

Ping Anser putter (first perimeter weighted putter)

Ping Eye 2 irons (first perimeter weighed, high toe, GI irons)

Tommy Armour 845 irons (first cavity back, player's shape irons)

Taylor Made Pittsburgh Persimmon (first metal woods)

Adams Tight Lies fairway woods (shallow face with face slots)

Big Bertha Driver (graphite shaft metal wood driver)

Big Bertha irons (cup face irons-first irons to emphasize distance)

Taylor Made R7 Driver (adjustability)

Taylor Made Rescue (first hybrids)

Cleveland Launcher Ti fairway woods (I think these were the first titanium fairway woods. These could also be placed in the flop category as titanium FW lost favor.)

PXG or Taylor Made P790 (advent of the player's distance category . I think they came out around the same time.)

Odyssey White Hot (I think this was the first insert putter)

Odyssey Two Ball putter (mallet revolution)

Scotty Cameron (concept of premium putters)

Vokey wedges (concepts of premium wedges, sole grinds, and different colors)

Taylor Made Spider (slant hosels in putters)

Cobra One Length irons (Not sure if this belongs in the flop category). 

Flops:

Cleveland VAS irons (weird hosels more or less attached to the back of the club)

Nike Sumo woods (brightly colored square woods)

Ping Zing (broken clubs)

Ping Anser woods  and irons (a line that went nowhere in terms of sales)

Wilson Fat Shaft irons (the beginning of the end of relevance for Wilson in the marketplace)

Taylor Made SLDR drivers (hard to hit and no one really lofted up)
PRGR clubs (all of them)

Nike as a golf equipment brand (they actually made a lot of good clubs)

Mizuno JPX EZ and Mizuno JPX EZ Forged irons (oddly colored and poorly performing)
Wilson Triton driver (pretty much any Wilson driver but the Triton was special)

 

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2 hours ago, MattM97 said:

I'd say the TaylorMade GAPR was a fail, the idea was good with the 3 different options but as soon as they were released in store they went on clearance it seems. Seems like they learned from that and the SIM UDI is apparently much better. 

The awful mint green color theme and the confusing terminology (Hi/Mid/Lo) instead of loft numbers seemed to be the reason, I know a couple of people who swear by their performance, but I couldn’t get over the looks and didn’t know which one to pick. 

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I owned both the Orlimar fairway and driver when I was a junior golfer.  Driver definitely didnt stick around too long.  I agree that the fairways were pretty slick for a minute.  Guess the flop question was due more to the driver and their short stay as an equipment company.  

 

Ultimate Flop...HammerDriver. 

Hit my buddies once and cracked the face after 1 swing (im not that strong.).  The commercial with Jack Hamm hitting that thing down a runway and setting the world record was marketing at its finest.  

Callaway Rogue 10*

Callaway EPIC 17*

Callaway APEX Hybrid *20 

Adams CMB 4-GW 

Vokey 54 & 58 

Scotty Cameron Studio 1.5 

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Success: Taylormade R11 for the white crown. Everyone was painting crowns after that trying to get their stuff to stand out on TV. Some still do. 

 

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Failure: Nike Cavity Back Drivers. They killed Nike Golf.

 

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Mizuno T20 Raw C-Grind 57/11 & Ported 61/07 Black C-Taper S+

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2 hours ago, ProjectX said:

Taylormade R11 for the white crown.

Saw that thing everywhere back when I played golf in HS. One kid even had a clone driver of that called the Turbo Power Ti11, thing sounded even more obnoxious than the SQ Sumo lol.

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Ping G410 17.5° - Atmos TS Red 7S

Srixon Z 785 3-6 - PX LZ 6.0

Srixon Z-Forged 7-PW - PX LZ 6.0

Cleveland RTX 4 50° Mid, 54° Mid, 60° Low - S400 TI

Gamer Putters Arizonian Players Blade - 335g, 34"

Bridgestone Tour B X

 

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Fail: The Original Callaway Diablo line

 

 

 

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Titleist TSi3 10* Diamana D+ LTD 60 TX
Titleist TSi2 16.5* Diamana D+ LTD 70 TX
Titleist TSi2 21* Diamana D+ LTD 80 TX

Srixon ZX Utlity 3-iron MMT Hybrid 100 TX

Srixon ZX7 4-AW Black C-Taper X
Mizuno T20 Raw C-Grind 57/11 & Ported 61/07 Black C-Taper S+

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15 minutes ago, ProjectX said:

Fail: The Original Callaway Diablo line

 

 

 

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Agree although I thought the irons were fantastic and I always wished I had bought some.  I think Stenson played them for quite a while.

Callaway Mavrik Max Driver
Cobra Speedzone fairway
M6 hybrid
PXG 0211 irons (5 to G)
Callaway 56 and 60 PM grind 2.0
PXG Operator putter

Callaway Chrome Soft balls
 

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23 hours ago, PhilWhitUK said:

Agree although I thought the irons were fantastic and I always wished I had bought some.  I think Stenson played them for quite a while.

The subsequent lines(Edge & Octane) when they abandoned the weird shape for a more traditional shape were great. The Octane was the 3 wood that stayed in Stenson's bag forever. As far as the irons are concerned he plays the Legacy Black irons which were never available in the US market.

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Titleist TSi2 16.5* Diamana D+ LTD 70 TX
Titleist TSi2 21* Diamana D+ LTD 80 TX

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Srixon ZX7 4-AW Black C-Taper X
Mizuno T20 Raw C-Grind 57/11 & Ported 61/07 Black C-Taper S+

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Best trendsetters:

Callaway Big Bertha, first titanium driver. Sparks used to come out of those like it was flint.

 

Non-club best:

Synthetic resin golf balls with inward dimple design

Golf cart

 

Worst:

Square drivers

Titleist TS3 10* Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS 7x

Titleist 915F 15* Kurokage Proto 7s

Titleist TS3 Hybrid 19* Kurokage 9x

Callaway Apex Pro '14 (4-Pw) DG 120 Tour Iss. x100

Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 50*

Vokey SM7 56*S Black

Odyssey O-Works 1 Wide

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On 1/12/2021 at 12:40 AM, PJE said:

Note: I used the criteria of "widely used" for this list in determining "first". 

Trendsetters:

Ping Anser putter (first perimeter weighted putter)

Ping Eye 2 irons (first perimeter weighed, high toe, GI irons)

Tommy Armour 845 irons (first cavity back, player's shape irons)

Taylor Made Pittsburgh Persimmon (first metal woods)

Adams Tight Lies fairway woods (shallow face with face slots)

Big Bertha Driver (graphite shaft metal wood driver)

Big Bertha irons (cup face irons-first irons to emphasize distance)

Taylor Made R7 Driver (adjustability)

Taylor Made Rescue (first hybrids)

Cleveland Launcher Ti fairway woods (I think these were the first titanium fairway woods. These could also be placed in the flop category as titanium FW lost favor.)

PXG or Taylor Made P790 (advent of the player's distance category . I think they came out around the same time.)

Odyssey White Hot (I think this was the first insert putter)

Odyssey Two Ball putter (mallet revolution)

Scotty Cameron (concept of premium putters)

Vokey wedges (concepts of premium wedges, sole grinds, and different colors)

Taylor Made Spider (slant hosels in putters)

Cobra One Length irons (Not sure if this belongs in the flop category). 

Flops:

Cleveland VAS irons (weird hosels more or less attached to the back of the club)

Nike Sumo woods (brightly colored square woods)

Ping Zing (broken clubs)

Ping Anser woods  and irons (a line that went nowhere in terms of sales)

Wilson Fat Shaft irons (the beginning of the end of relevance for Wilson in the marketplace)

Taylor Made SLDR drivers (hard to hit and no one really lofted up)
PRGR clubs (all of them)

Nike as a golf equipment brand (they actually made a lot of good clubs)

Mizuno JPX EZ and Mizuno JPX EZ Forged irons (oddly colored and poorly performing)
Wilson Triton driver (pretty much any Wilson driver but the Triton was special)

 

 

The SLDR did touch off the trend/fad of sliding weights in drivers, nowadays everone from Mizuno to Wilson has a sliding weight. R15-M1/3/5-Sim, Callaway launched sliding weights in their 2014 Big Bertha. So perhaps the actual club might have flopped it certainly started the trend.

 

Unlike Callaway's gravity core, triton interchangeable sole plates.

 

Anybody remember the TM wedges with replaceable faces? Good luck getting parts...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, keepingsanitythrugolf said:

Best trendsetters:

Callaway Big Bertha, first titanium driver. Sparks used to come out of those like it was flint.

 

Non-club best:

Synthetic resin golf balls with inward dimple design

Golf cart

 

Worst:

Square drivers


you know adams made the xtd pro driver that was square. It was awesome. It may have been the only one.

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4-PW Cobra king forged CB KBS $ Taper 130 X flex
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1 hour ago, James the Hogan Fan said:

The SLDR did touch off the trend/fad of sliding weights in drivers, nowadays everone from Mizuno to Wilson has a sliding weight.

Have to disagree. The Mizuno MP-600 driver from late 2007 had a sliding track with 2 weights (8g) long before the SLDR line of drivers released in 2014. It's also possible someone else did the sliding track weight on a driver before Mizuno. TM as much as they like to claim at times wasn't the first to come up with everything. And I love TM drivers.

 

 

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On 1/10/2021 at 4:17 AM, Mitchell said:

Tad Moore with milled,carbon steel putter, Tour Edge with combo brazing of dissimilar materials with a titanium cup face in Exotics  cb1, Cleveland with successful incorporation of titanium and carbon fiber in Launcher Comp (led to founding of a certain forum😃)

I have the CB1, 3, 5, and 7 woods in my bag, and I'm not changing. I love them!!

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2 hours ago, Jack lives here said:

I have the CB1, 3, 5, and 7 woods in my bag, and I'm not changing. I love them!!

What kind of WRXer are you? I believe it's in the WRX by laws that you must change clubs more often than your underwear.

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