Is timing too often overlooked?

[Golfbeat]

I re-watched this video and it really is astounding to me how different pro's are from ams.

 

 

[MonteScheinblum]

2 hours ago, Golfbeat said:

I re-watched this video and it really is astounding to me how different pro's are from ams.

 

 

What’s in this video is so true.  I see it on the lesson tee and online video lessons every day.  I will show them their backswing 7/8th’s of the way back and it looks great, then they add arm swing, elbow bend and wrist movement and it’s all out of position and doesn’t allow them to transition properly.  A lot of people watch AMG videos and it doesn’t mesh with their belief system so they discount many of the topics.  They also don’t understand what’s being said and poopoo it.  The idea of maximizing backswing because they will hit it farther and shifting into left side earlier is a reverse pivot, is on full display here.  I

[ALIF]

Many times 15 handicappers don’t even know that they “don’t know”. 

[GLF4EVR]

I might fit into the group Monte is talking about.  I actually get more out of the video with the sound off.  The main difference to me between the pro & am is where the hips are at.  Watch the position of the hips on each series.  Where the position of the hips are at will dictate where the shoulders, elbows, wrist & hands are. The pros swing gets each body part in the position where they are the most effective.  With the way the am uses the hips, it keeps everything else out of the best effective sequence.

 

Go back to what we were coached in 7th & 8th grade football/basketball.  Always watch the hips, they can't go anywhere without them.  Another example would be tia chi, the entire base is the hips, the body's center.  So in relation to the hips and timing, just visualize how the swings would look if timing of lower, middle & upper body parts were not going at the right time.

[phizzy30]

1 hour ago, GLF4EVR said:

I might fit into the group Monte is talking about.  I actually get more out of the video with the sound off.  The main difference to me between the pro & am is where the hips are at.  Watch the position of the hips on each series.  Where the position of the hips are at will dictate where the shoulders, elbows, wrist & hands are. The pros swing gets each body part in the position where they are the most effective.  With the way the am uses the hips, it keeps everything else out of the best effective sequence.

 

Go back to what we were coached in 7th & 8th grade football/basketball.  Always watch the hips, they can't go anywhere without them.  Another example would be tia chi, the entire base is the hips, the body's center.  So in relation to the hips and timing, just visualize how the swings would look if timing of lower, middle & upper body parts were not going at the right time.

Yep.  Martial arts in general focuses on hips especially for power.  Same can be said about most sports.  Power comes from the hips especially for ballistic movements such as the golf, hockey, and baseball swing.  Proper sequencing of hips is also very important as well as you mentioned. 

[AdamsAT]

Just remember Shakira's wise words, "Hips don't lie".  

 

My teammates (in other sports) would always shake their heads but I really believe this, and this thread is reinforcing my view point. 

[MonteScheinblum]

The position of the pelvis is WAY more important than how much the hips open.

[Jim Waldron]

Yes....

 

And not just timing or sequencing of forward swing but speed of that sequencing (Tempo) and the ratio of time of backswing vs downswing or Rhythm. Length of pause at the change of direction also important. 

 

And the answer is not solely or even primarily mechanics - the mind can sabotage your performance very easily, ie wrong use of mental intention and emotions as well will negatively impact timing, tempo and rhythm.

 

Fear of hitting a bad shot explains a lot of why amateurs are so lagging behind in the forward swing compared to pros - aka "steering impulse". 

[naval2006]

Monte and Jim have hit the nail on our faulty am swings big time.  Golfbeat, you've posted a video that shows my swing and I guess thousands of others, and it's not the one on the left for sure.  Great post.

[Barfolomew]

When it comes to golfers nothing has been overlooked.... I mean look where you are for Pete's sake

 

It's just we're all at different places, but the thing is you're never too good to one day having to go back to basics or fundamentals.... that's why its a beautiful sport

[MPStrat]

I think its easy to look at the p system and prescribe a change in mechanics, but equally as important is when to do the thing, and the "when" is often so counterintuitive that most could never figure it out on their own.

 

The mechanics help put us in a functional spot to deliver the club the way we want, but the glue is in the sequence, rhythm and tempo. Having the correct perception of the timing of that sequence, and then doing it repeatedly is the key to good golf. The hard part is that our perception changes over time and I believe that is one of the reasons we have periods of up and down, despite the fact that our swings (mechanically) don't usually change a ton.

 

If you look at a pros swing where they pipe a drive perfectly, compared to a swing where they block it into the rough, you will likely not see a big difference in the swings on 2d video. You will hear things like "I got quick," which is a possibility. Another way to say it might be that the sequence or rhythm was off a tiny bit.

[bluedot]

On 1/10/2021 at 2:28 PM, MonteScheinblum said:

The position of the pelvis is WAY more important than how much the hips open.

 

Monte, can you explain what you mean by this, and/or send me to a video?  I am VERY curious; thanks in advance!