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Not incorrect exactly but not the best way to look at it.  Ideally, once you find a good fit for a combination of 1) playing length 2) shaft, and 3) head (swing) weight you should stick with it.  So a

Shaft always follows the swing. Loft/CG tweaks are done to the head if a performance change is needed. 

It's certainly a good starting point but the #1 thing to be aware of when switching heads is that the headweight is going to have a big impact on how the club feels and performs.   As an exa

It's certainly a good starting point but the #1 thing to be aware of when switching heads is that the headweight is going to have a big impact on how the club feels and performs.

 

As an example, Ping heads tend to be on the heavier side and Callaway tends to be light. So if you have a counter balanced shaft in your Ping and it feels great then it will feel completely different in the Callaway without adjusting the head weight and that will impact how you swing the club.

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It's certainly a good starting point but the #1 thing to be aware of when switching heads is that the headweight is going to have a big impact on how the club feels and performs.

 

As an example, Ping heads tend to be on the heavier side and Callaway tends to be light. So if you have a counter balanced shaft in your Ping and it feels great then it will feel completely different in the Callaway without adjusting the head weight and that will impact how you swing the club.

 

Not incorrect exactly but not the best way to look at it.  Ideally, once you find a good fit for a combination of 1) playing length 2) shaft, and 3) head (swing) weight you should stick with it.  So adjusting the head weight to stay the same (regardless of what the stock head weight might be) and continuing to use it with a shaft that's known to work well - is a significantly better approach than trying to adjust the shaft stiffness for different head weights.

 

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I'll stick with shafts I was fit with (assuming they also work well in reality) in driver+FW Woods (same shaft) and irons.  After a few years, chances are the same make/model are no longer offered - so a new fitting will yield new standards.  As specs are all over the place, I try not to experiment and waste money...even if something is in the same class (ie bend point and profile)

 

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I have one OG gamer that is the gold standard and I compare it to everything. It's the perfect weight and tipping for my swing/transition and best feel. However, that doesn't mean it produces the best ball speed or launch with each new Titleist offering. Absolutely nothing could knock it out of the TS3 but the new Tsi3 has much different launch, and subsequently, produced better numbers with a different offering. Having an "ole faithful" is never a bad thing but you have to be open minded that with each new club head offering comes new characteristics, launch, spin and ball speed. 

 

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i'm always get fitting when im buying new stuff, and the clubmaker probably did something when i just changed the head from M3 to the Sim. Because it felt pretty similar when hitting the club. 

 

Now i see the orders coming in all over WRX with new stuff. Do i have the patient to wait late march to get fitted for the new stuff. 

 

I see now about the weigthing that i should wait. Even though i will use the same shaft most likely. But then i will get a more proper fitted head for my swing. 

 

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I have 3 awesome driver shafts that follow me right now ... 

 

BLUEBOARD 53x (firmest, lowest flight, wicked in dry conditions) .. it a matte blue tour issue shaft FWIW

 

FUBUKI K 60 (longest and smoothest .. but loose at times)

 

GD AD XC 6x (straight all day, misses are barely in rough)

 

Same with fairways tbh (blueboard 73x and nvs 85x)

 

I stick with PING due to heavy heads and loyalty and durability plus I like the ability to change back weights

 

(I already have a second Fubuki K 60x with a 410tip on it waiting for the 425 driver)

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Its bit more involved than just weight I believe.

 

While you can get the swing weight to be similar between two similarly weighted drivers...

 

Each driver head has different performance characteristics which also changes the way the shaft performs in that particular head.

 

The head design (MOI, CG location) has a bigger impact on the golf ball than the shaft, and simply switching to same shaft between drivers will not yield similar results.

 

Which is why matching driver shafts and 3w shaft doesnt really yield similar feel or meet performance expectations sometimes.

 

Having said all that...

 

Every driver these days are all similar in launch and spin.

 

Obviously you will see bigger gaps between two different driver designs (ie. Cally Sub Zero vs. Standard) but comparing Cally Sub Zero vs Titleist TSi3 for example tends to produce results within small margin of one another for most. Even smaller margin when you compare two generations of same driver (ie. G410 LST vs G425 LST).

 

Its a good starting point if you dont want to get properly fitted and need a good starting point for baseline. Just dont be surprised if you dont get the similar feel or performance after shaft swap.

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Awesome shaft is the starting point for me with new driver, if numbers are good then we stick with it numbers not good we move on. 

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It can be a good starting point, if head weight is simular. Shaft bend  profiles can change if head, grip, lengths are different.

Getting fit, should be the goal,  to get the most out of what your swing will do for your game 



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For me personally, I don't usually stick with the same shaft when I seek a new driver.  I like to tinker but usually stick with a driver I really like for 3 to 5 years.  During that gap, OEMs come out with new shafts with different material and profiles.  I tend to gravitate towards the latest tech in general including shafts.  However, I have found that very tip stiff low launch/spin shafts work best for my swing, so I almost always find I have to use an  8 to 9 degree head. 

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2 hours ago, Gohigh said:

The head design (MOI, CG location) has a bigger impact on the golf ball than the shaft, and simply switching to same shaft between drivers will not yield similar results.

 

If the goal is to get similar results, why bother with getting a new head at all?

 

Sorry, I know, it's a sacrilegious thought here - but I couldn't resist. 🙂

 

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Shaft always follows the swing. Loft/CG tweaks are done to the head if a performance change is needed. 

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Shaft follows swing as a starting point.  Though I have noticed, as others have mentioned, that the same shaft will not necessarily perform the same in different heads, even if you match swingweight exactly.  

 

I have a handful of shafts in the same weight class (60X or 60 Tour Stiff) and with similar profiles (Diamana DF and 'ahina, for example).  If I'm trying a new head, I'll start with whatever I have that's closest to what I'm currently gaming, and swap in different shafts if the current gamer doesn't feel like a match with that head.  

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9 minutes ago, hagimihale said:

Shaft follows swing as a starting point.  Though I have noticed, as others have mentioned, that the same shaft will not necessarily perform the same in different heads, even if you match swingweight exactly.  

 

I have a handful of shafts in the same weight class (60X or 60 Tour Stiff) and with similar profiles (Diamana DF and 'ahina, for example).  If I'm trying a new head, I'll start with whatever I have that's closest to what I'm currently gaming, and swap in different shafts if the current gamer doesn't feel like a match with that head.  

 

Getting shaft to perform the same is not about matching swing weight.  It's a little more complicated than that.  It's about matching  the head weight (including adapter) and BBGM, and to some small extent playing length as well.  Or if there are any differences in some of those things, compensation in the form of slightly different tipping may be needed. 

 

Also, the term 'perform' in the context of a shaft is not a reference to launch numbers (e.g. launch angle and spin).  It's a reference to the amount of loading in the shaft and the feel of the shaft and the influence of the shaft on the swing itself.

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8 hours ago, Stuart_G said:

 

Getting shaft to perform the same is not about matching swing weight.  It's a little more complicated than that. 

 

Totally agree.  I don't expect to have an exact match to a given combination of head+shaft when I move to different head+same shaft.  But if we match swing weight, we are at least close to an apples-to-apples comparison.

 

And that was my point to OP.  Just because a given head+shaft works for you, does not mean that same shaft works in different head.  

 

You and I are in agreement on the context of my use of the word "perform" in my post above.  I was referencing the feel of the shaft, how it loads (and unloads), etc.

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1 hour ago, hagimihale said:

 

Totally agree.  I don't expect to have an exact match to a given combination of head+shaft when I move to different head+same shaft.  But if we match swing weight, we are at least close to an apples-to-apples comparison.

 

And that was my point to OP.  Just because a given head+shaft works for you, does not mean that same shaft works in different head.  

 

You and I are in agreement on the context of my use of the word "perform" in my post above.  I was referencing the feel of the shaft, how it loads (and unloads), etc.

 

We're close but maybe a minor difference.  My main point was that it does not mean that it automatically will work in another head BUT if the build is done right, with knowledge and understanding of all the differences between the two heads, it generally can be made to work in any other head.

 

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3 minutes ago, Stuart_G said:

if the build is done right, with knowledge and understanding of all the differences between the two heads, it generally can be made to work in any other head.

 

Completely agree with this.  But that requires the "knowledge and understanding" part that leads to a build done right.   I certainly don't possess that subject matter expertise.  I am assuming that OP does not either.  Which leads us back to the theory that taking a gamer shaft from one head, and plugging into another (without taking shaft and new head to a qualified fitter), will not necessarily replicate the conditions of the original head+shaft combination that makes it work for a given golfer.  But we mere mortals can come close... 🙂

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8 hours ago, hagimihale said:

 

Completely agree with this.  But that requires the "knowledge and understanding" part that leads to a build done right.   I certainly don't possess that subject matter expertise.  I am assuming that OP does not either.  Which leads us back to the theory that taking a gamer shaft from one head, and plugging into another (without taking shaft and new head to a qualified fitter), will not necessarily replicate the conditions of the original head+shaft combination that makes it work for a given golfer.  But we mere mortals can come close... 🙂

 

Don't disagree.  But that's where the help here in the forum can make a big difference.  And trying to clear up the potential issues and expand people's knowledge before they do the swap can improve the chances of success.

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On 1/13/2021 at 9:34 AM, Stuart_G said:

 

Not incorrect exactly but not the best way to look at it.  Ideally, once you find a good fit for a combination of 1) playing length 2) shaft, and 3) head (swing) weight you should stick with it.  So adjusting the head weight to stay the same (regardless of what the stock head weight might be) and continuing to use it with a shaft that's known to work well - is a significantly better approach than trying to adjust the shaft stiffness for different head weights.

 

This is exactly correct!! If a shaft fits your swing, all you have to do is dial in the weighting and your good to go. Also, shafts with very similar profiles and balance will be mostly interchangable for you as well. I know the big thing these days is exotic materials, but if the profile, torque and weighting fit your swing, it doesn't matter what the materials are.

 

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