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Is it just me or is it hard to follow MCA and all their shaft releases??

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I’m interested in following the MMT iron shafts. I might get those in the new Apex Pro

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Haywood Signature Driving Iron 18 with MMT 90S

Apex 4-5 with MMT 95S

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41 minutes ago, ksavy17 said:

Is it just me or is it hard to follow MCA and all their shaft releases??


They lost me as soon as TX was a totally different shaft as the rest of the series in almost all of their lines.

 

idk what they are doing but they are NOT doing it well. 

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5 minutes ago, bcflyguy1 said:

Oh man, if @MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL does a reboot on the Ahina I might just mess myself.


i mean that Kaili series has a white & blue so you might be in luck

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Taylormade Stealth 2+ 15 (@14.50) Fujikura Motore Speeder 8.1S Tipped .5"
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@MITSUBISHI CHEMICALresurrecting some old shaft (names) updated with modern materials. 
 

The Tensei White 1K will get a long look from me!

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Ping G430 Max 10K 10.5° driver - Diamana GT 60S

Ping G430 Max 15° #3 fairway - Diamana TB 70S

Ping G430 Max 21° #7 fairway - Diamana TB 80S

Ping G430 Max 26° #5 hybrid - MMTh 90S

Mizuno Pro 243 4-PW irons - MMT 105S

Mizuno T24 Raw 48°-10S wedge - MMT 105S

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12 hours ago, ksavy17 said:

Is it just me or is it hard to follow MCA and all their shaft releases??

 

I feel like it's the driver race all over again. How many times can we release a similar product under a newer name to get consumers to shell out $$$ for marginal improvements, if any.

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12 hours ago, ignitewvu said:


They lost me as soon as TX was a totally different shaft as the rest of the series in almost all of their lines.

 

idk what they are doing but they are NOT doing it well. 

 

The TX is almost always a bit of a different profile for every company. TX does not equate to something like a 2X stiff. It is almost always more of an alternate or specific flex. 

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3 wood: Paradym 3d Ventus black TR 7x

19 degree UW: Ventus black TR 8x

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I have a Kai'li 80 stiff in my 5 wood the I love. I have no reason to try this out but im curious how similar it is to the original. I loved the ION finish on the original.

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58 minutes ago, QuigleyDU said:

 

The TX is almost always a bit of a different profile for every company. TX does not equate to something like a 2X stiff. It is almost always more of an alternate or specific flex. 

 

Totally Disagree See the AV Lines, The Kuro Kage XT TX, The Diamana D+ lines.....I'm not talking profile they are complete different shafts according to insiders & people on this forum.  Not even made in the same factories.

It's all very confusing and not good business practice.

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Taylormade QI10LS 10.5 (@9.5) Fujikura Ventus Velocore Blue 6S (Testing Velocore + 6S)
Taylormade Stealth 2+ 15 (@14.50) Fujikura Motore Speeder 8.1S Tipped .5"
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1 minute ago, ignitewvu said:

 

Totally Disagree See the AV Lines, The Kuro Kage XT TX, The Diamana D+ lines.....I'm not talking profile they are complete different shafts according to insiders & people on this forum.  Not even made in the same factories.

It's all very confusing and not good business practice.

Huh?? I think we are agreeing not disagreeing.. 

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3 wood: Paradym 3d Ventus black TR 7x

19 degree UW: Ventus black TR 8x

Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility Hazrdus black 90 6.5 X

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Sorry if this has been touched on elsewhere, but what is the Tensei White K?  Is this the 2.0 prototype that has been discussed in other threads?

Driver: Epic  Max LS  - Ventus (velocore) Blue - 7X
Fairway: Epic Speed 13.5 - Ventus (velocore) Blue - 7X
Hybrid: Titleist 818 H1 - Tensei Pro White - 100TX
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CK Pro Blue

AV Blue

MMT

Kaili

Diamana TB, ZF

 

That's a lot of Blueboard out there right now...

 

Edit: not sure if MMT is Blueboard based but it's listed at the same target golfer.

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Callaway Epic Max LS 9* Fujikura Ventus Blue VeloCore 6 X
TaylorMade SIM2 15* & 19* Fujikura Ventus Blue VeloCore 7 & 8 X

Srixon ZX7 4-AW Mitsubishi MMT 105 TX

Mizuno T20 Raw 57/11@56 & 61/07@60 Mitsubishi MMT Scoring Wedge 105 TX

Evnroll ER 2.2 MidBlade Mitsubishi MMT Putter Concept 135
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The Kaili is one of my all time favorite shafts.  I wonder if this will share any similarities.  I see MR70 on the blue.  But, looks like a black profile too?  I agree confusing.  But, excited to see what comes of it. 

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Cobra King CB 4-PW w/KBS $Taper
Bettinardi BB1 w/UST Mamiya All-In Graphite 
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3 hours ago, ProjectX said:

CK Pro Blue

AV Blue

MMT

Kaili

Diamana TB, ZF

 

That's a lot of Blueboard out there right now...

 

Edit: not sure if MMT is Blueboard based but it's listed at the same target golfer.

It is; typical linear EI profile.

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I'm looking forward to reviews of the MMT wood shaft. I want to see comparisons to the Diamana X'17.

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5 hours ago, gevans24 said:

I have the Utility iron 105TX in my 3i and it's impressive to say the least. Have had it about 4 months now

Awesome! Good to hear.

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Haywood Signature Driving Iron 18 with MMT 90S

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Seems Mitsubishi is making different bend profiles and sets with various materials and techniques for different swing mechanics.  When I tested MMT 105S 6i, Tensei AV White AM(2) "S" was not released yet.  Though I liked the feel of MMT it didn't fit me in the manner I was looking for, still a fine shaft. 

 

When Tensei AV White AM "S" was introduced I was able to get my hands a shaft to test, glad I waited.   As it turns out, it fits my mechanics much better.   Nobody uses the term flighted, wonder why?  They use the term Ascension.  In Tensei's case two gram ascensions in shaft weight from 108g wedge to 88g 1 iron; similar to TT AMT Tour White 3 gram ascension, only Tensei is lighter, graphite and offers more long iron shaft options which also suites me better.  Another example of how technology is keeping me in the game.

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I'm a big believer in the MMT"s.  LOVE mine and IMO you will be seeing more and more Tour players switching to graphite irons shafts over the next 5-8 years.  I'm talking a noticeable growth not 2 more players.

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23 hours ago, brettmag said:

I’m interested in following the MMT iron shafts. I might get those in the new Apex Pro

Hit Apex Pro with MMT 95 Stiff shafts. Really really good comboReally really good combo

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1 hour ago, Ed Settle said:

Hit Apex Pro with MMT 95 Stiff shafts. Really really good comboReally really good combo

That’s what I tried too. Liked them a lot. Might want to try the heavier weight MMT for comparison

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Taylormade SIM2 Max 3 HL (16.5) with stock Ventus Blue 6S

Haywood Signature Driving Iron 18 with MMT 90S

Apex 4-5 with MMT 95S

Apex Pro 6-PW with MMT 95S

Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 degree wedges

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20 hours ago, brettmag said:

That’s what I tried too. Liked them a lot. Might want to try the heavier weight MMT for comparison

I had a set of irons this past year with MMT 105 S. I think these shafts are stiffer to flex. I play Modus 105 S so, that’s were I started. I felt that the 105S shafts were too stiff for me. I could’ve gone down to a 105 R or 95 S. Your mileage may vary 😎

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2 minutes ago, OrangeGravy said:

Who is currently offering MMT as an option, either stock or upgrade? 

Callaway has the 105 weight as the stock graphite in a couple of their options. 

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